Michael Schumacher badly hurt in ski accident

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Jesus Ch. Christ. I hope he manage to recover from all that. I wish him all the best :(
 
prisonermonkeys
Of course it's a risk. He has a traumatic brain injury.
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I think people refuse to accept the real injuries that can ensue from these incidents. The effects of a brain injury are impossible to predict, hence why the hospital refuse to give a future prognosis. If they said "He looks to be doing OK, he'll probably be out in a couple of weeks and he'll be fine", and it actually took him months of physio etc to rebuild him back to full strength, the hospital would come under huge fire.
 
prisonermonkeys
And what is that going to prove?

Schumacher had his accident. He was atteneded to within fifteen minutes, and flown to the local hospital. As soon as the nature and extent of his injuries became clear, he was forwarded to Grenoble for specialist care. Once in Grenoble, he was taken into surgery as soon as he was stable enough for it.

A timeline isn't going to show us anything that we do not already know. Could the attending paramedics have saved two hours by taking him directly to Grenoble from the snowfields? Yes, they probably could have. But if your question is why they did not, the answer is that they had no reason to based on the available information at the time. When those paramedics first arrived on-scene, they would have established that Schumacher fell whilst travelling at low speed, and hit his head while wearing a helmet. He was lucid, but agitated and confused. Based on that information available to them, they could reasonably deduce that he was suffering a simple concussion, and would have treated accordingly. If he passed out, it would be due to shock or blood loss, which are common side effects of head injuries. It was only when they got to the local hospital that they would have been able to test his neurological functions, at which point they would have received the first clues that something else was wrong. At that point, they forwarded him on to Grenoble for a CT scan, which revealed the bleed into the brain cavity. By that point, he would have been unconscious or comatose, but the CT scan would have been needed to confirm the diagnosis and identify the source of the bleed. Cutting into a skull is not to be taken lightly, and relieving the pressure is only so effective; the neurosurgeon needs to know what they are looking for and where they are looking for it. No neurosurgeon is going to operate without first confirming the diagnosis. If Schumacher's condition was so serious that the surgeons had to open his skull without a CT scan, he probably would not have survived.

In retrospect, yes, it would have made sense to airlift Schumacher directly to the hospital in Grenoble. However, there is a procedure that needs to be followed, and decisions can only be made based on the information available at any given moment.
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Whoa whoa whoa.... Take it easy man. I honestly don't give a rats ass if it's speculation or truth right now, as I just hope for the best for him. All I meant was, it be nice to have a detailed list of events with what happened. Unfortunately, I don't live 3000 miles on the other side of the world to get constant updates or such not.

And whether the actions taken were in/correct doesn't phase me either as what has happened is done, and cannot be changed. If you think I'm trying to blame someone your wrong, as I'm just some guy living in Georgia who can't do squat to help anything change...
 
If he does survive he won't be the same person anymore... This type of injury usually leaves serious limitations. :S
 
zzz_pt
If he does survive he won't be the same person anymore... This type of injury usually leaves serious limitations. :S
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No, not all the time. Look at Cristiano Da Matta. He had exactly the same prognosis and was in the same condition as Schumacher, but within a month he was out of hospital. 2 years later, he was racing again.
 
hsv010
No, not all the time. Look at Cristiano Da Matta. He had exactly the same prognosis and was in the same condition as Schumacher, but within a month he was out of hospital. 2 years later, he was racing again.
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Da Matta was 33yo. Schumi has 44. 11 years can dictate very different outcomes in brain's recovery capabilities. But I'm not a speacialist. Not at all.

I hope to see him race again. If not racing, just living his life with his family.
 
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zzz_pt
Da Matta was 33yo. Schumi has 44. 11 years can dictate very different outcomes in brain's recovery capabilities. But I'm not a speacialist. Not at all.

I hope to see him race again. If not racing, just leaving his life with his family.
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*Living? Because leaving sounds a bit… you know… bad? :nervous:
 
hsv010
No, not all the time. Look at Cristiano Da Matta. He had exactly the same prognosis and was in the same condition as Schumacher, but within a month he was out of hospital. 2 years later, he was racing again.
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IMO, you cannot compare Cristiano Da Matta's brain injuries with Schumacher's brain injuries. And I believe that every body (not everybody) recovers differently. The situations are probably not even the same.

There are people who got shot in the head. Got half of their brain removed and they are still living and social active and so on.

Other's fall on ther head, have a concussion and die. We just have to wait and see.
 
zzz_pt
If he does survive he won't be the same person anymore... This type of injury usually leaves serious limitations. :S
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Maybe, maybe not. Sounds like he just has a mega hematoma that was pressing on his meninges and cutting off his blood supply. Even if he's alright and they've stabilized everything, they'll probably keep him in a coma for a long time just as a precaution.
 
kikie
IMO, you cannot compare Cristiano Da Matta's brain injuries with Schumacher's brain injuries. And I believe that every body (not everybody) recovers differently. The situations are probably not even the same.

There are people who got shot in the head. Got half of their brain removed and they are still living and social active and so on.

Other's fall on ther head, have a concussion and die. We just have to wait and see.
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It's true, they're unpredictable, but today he's stable and I suppose that's the best news we can get at this point. I was just pointing out to someone that a brain injury doesn't necessarily mean life-limiting disabilities if they survive.
 
No, it's quite the opposite. It's by far the safest way to keep an eye on somebody's condition in a situation such as this.
 
GT5Power
I watched the news. Doctors said his fitness will help him a lot.
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Yep, and it looks like it is already. Apparently, a few other skiers in the past season have had similar accidents. They are all OK now, mainly due to their fitness.
 
prisonermonkeys
Rubbish. Sounds like someone is trying to cover their backside while someone else is trying to find somebody to blame.

If they did not recognise Schumacher's condition straight away, it's because a delayed onset of symptoms is a classic presentation of his injuries. He was flown to the local hospital for his initial assessment, and transferred to Grenoble as soon as the nature and extent of his injuries became clear.
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That's your interpretation and you are not offering more proofs to consider your interpretation more relaiable that what I hear on TV. Also you cannot deny that the Judiciary has opened an investigation.

The only thing I can say is if I was the doctor as soon as I realized how the helmet was broken I wouldn't have any doubt on adopting the highest possible measures ASAP.
 
Except that you're not a doctor. And if you were, you would have treated according to Schumacher's symptoms. You would not have jumped to conclusions based on secondary evidence. A broken ski helmet proves nothing, because they - like any helmet - are designed to break in the event to an impact. That's how they protect you: by absorbing and redirecting the energy of the impact away from your head.

I have a friend who got bitten by a spider while he was as university. It was a white-tail spider, a particularly nasty little bugger whose bite can lead to an infection similar to a flesh-eating bacteria. And as it turned out, he was unlucky enough to get that infection. He was treated for the spider bite and kept under observation. He only received treatment for the infection once his doctor knew he had it. His doctor probably could have treated for the infection straight away, but he showed no symptoms at the time, and since the spider that bit him was a bloody smear on the wall, we couldn't identify the species. Even then, the bite of a white-tail only causes that infection sometimes.

The same logic applies here: Schumacher was only committed to a treatment once his doctors were certain of his condition. It is the same standard of care that you or I could expect to receive if we were admitted to hospital. The broken helmet proves nothing, because Schumacher could have just as easily walked away from the accident with a broken helmet and a concussion.

As for the judiciary opening an investigation, they are probably very interested in how Schumacher injured himself at such low speed. Images of the scene show two ski runs diverging around a narrow strip marked as off-piste. The judiciary will probably focus on the role of the ski operator, and whether the markings contributed to the accident.
 
Apparently, there were a strip of four rocks he hit. He went over on the first one, rolled over the next two, and hit his head on the last one.
 
Something I saw today on Facebook: Car Memes is calling out pages that are desperate for attention. Things like "1 like = 1 respect."

Some of the pages were titled "RIP Michael Schumacher." I know not to believe in bull:censored: pages like those, but he hasn't been confirmed dead... right?
 
I heard on television from a specialist that his fitness does not help at all with these kind of injuries.
 
CallmeDan
Thank (Insert deity here) for that. And the people that made those pages are disgusting.
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I don't think it's disgusting. I think it's an over-reaction to the conflicting reports that first arose after the accident. Nothing sinister.
 
prisonermonkeys
I don't think it's disgusting. I think it's an over-reaction to the conflicting reports that first arose after the accident. Nothing sinister.
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No. The people made those so they can just get attention. They just beg for likes so they can feel good about themselves. I doubt ANY of them actually care about Schumacher or even know who he is.
 

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