Microsoft drops all DRM.

Tornado
Yeah. Xbone at least is easier to type. Xbox 180 is just mocking Microsoft for doing something people wanted them to do.
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I think Xbone is kind of mocking and silly. I've seen it used this way all over the net since E3

Xbox 180, okay guys, Just interesting if it would become its unofficial name as more of an analytical observation, even in celebration as Xbox owners worried before are now happy MS has listened. I won't pursue it.

Not once have I refered to Xbox One as Xbone XBone, nor XBOne.

How did it go from Xbox 360 or 360, hardly anyone ever said Xb360 or XB360.
X with a lower case b and one is mocking, being silly and you still write that way instead of the proper name Xbox One.

I merely tested the water minutes after.

Can you drop Xbone please and use the actual name?

A sensible abbreviation would be XBO, not selecting certain worlds to abbreviate and come to Xbone for heaven sake.
 
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I hate to be the guy that types in all caps, but...

KINECT IS NOT ALWAYS ON

Can we please put this myth to rest? The Xbox One will only check that it is plugged in, but all functionality of the Kinect can be turned off.
 
As good as this news is the price is still too high for me, but to be completely honest I'm going to buy a PS4 (and another graphics card for my PC) before I consider getting a One anyway for various reasons I won't go into beyond saying I'd just like the one console to do both Gran Turismo and Metal Gear Solid.

But yeah, regardless of where your loyalties lie or what you think of the One, it should count for a lot that consumer pressure got Microsoft to change their mind, suggesting we don't have to just bend over and take it from the bigger corporations that effectively run the industry. That is something we should all be happy about, yet it sounds like we're not. Gamers are a weird species.
 
HAL20XX
I hate to be the guy that types in all caps, but...

KINECT IS NOT ALWAYS ON

Can we please put this myth to rest? The Xbox One will only check that it is plugged in, but all functionality of the Kinect can be turned off.
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This will be ignored by most here, of course.
 
I am not surprised I suppose seeing as though Sony wiped the floor with Microsoft at E3. They had to do something as it was very obvious that come launch they would have been way behind Sony.

Hopefully, though I will not expect a response, somebody simply asks, that if you can drop DRM completely then why impose them in the first place. It boils down to money obviously but no company will come straight with that answer.

I was not going to be impacted by 'DRM-gate' at all as I am a PlayStation fan through and through but it is good for those that would have been.
 
HAL20XX
I hate to be the guy that types in all caps, but...

KINECT IS NOT ALWAYS ON

Can we please put this myth to rest? The Xbox One will only check that it is plugged in, but all functionality of the Kinect can be turned off.
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There were a couple people in this thread that were saying that the Kinect needs to "always be on," and you're right, it doesn't.

But the problem is that it is a requirement as I, and most others, have stated.

The issue is consumer control. The fact that it needs to be plugged in at all isn't good. That's where control starts and ends. The thing doesn't need to have to the light on in order to be active and recording.

You're seriously trying to say that just because we're allowed to "turn it off" but still have to have it plugged in, that we have nothing to worry about.
 
HAL20XX
I hate to be the guy that types in all caps, but...

KINECT IS NOT ALWAYS ON

Can we please put this myth to rest? The Xbox One will only check that it is plugged in, but all functionality of the Kinect can be turned off.
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If Kinect can be turned off, simple as it were, then why is it required for the Xbox to even work in the first place? Unplugging it from the console would be the same thing, so why force it down our throats?
 
iRevelationz
If Kinect can be turned off, simple as it were, then why is it required for the Xbox to even work in the first place? Unplugging it from the console would be the same thing, so why force it down our throats?
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It's to be able to hear your commands.. If I want to turn my Xbox on through my voice then it will pick up my voice and turn it on, it's not listening to conversations. It listens to key voice commands.. You're blowing this 'Kinect spy' ******** out of proportion. If you were to actually read into things you would be better off.

iRevelationz
Of course I'm worried. That's why when not in use, my iPhone is always hidden and covered in a place where it can't physically see me. If I were to buy an Xbox One, it seems I wouldn't have that luxury, and personally, I find that disturbing.
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Judging by this, it seems like you aren't going to lighten up on Kinect. If the Kinect sensor always being on or connected sways your opinion on a console then maybe there are other problems that you may have.
 
chromatic9
Can you drop Xbone please and use the actual name?

A sensible abbreviation would be XBO, not selecting certain worlds to abbreviate and come to Xbone for heaven sake.
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Trouble is, X1, XBO (or "eh-boh" as the Ying Yang Twins called it), aren't fun to say, but Xbone is.

The term can either be endearing or not, depends on how you choose to take it. I've heard all kinds of people calling it so since the Xbox One reveal, a good number of gaming journalists as well. It's an abbreviation and if the biggest problem you have with it is the fact that it somehow isn't a "sensible" one, you should look at some of the crazy abbreviations and initialisms NASA manages to piece together.
 
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phillkillv2
It's to be able to hear your commands.. If I want to turn my Xbox on through my voice then it will pick up my voice and turn it on, it's not listening to conversations. It listens to key voice commands.. You're blowing this 'Kinect spy' ******** out of proportion. If you were to actually read into things you would be better off.
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But if your Xbox is off yet still able to respond to your voice commands, then something in there is still on, isn't it?

phillkillv2
Judging by this, it seems like you aren't going to lighten up on Kinect. If the Kinect sensor always being on or connected sways your opinion on a console then maybe there are other problems that you may have.
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It's not like I spend my nights in my room fusing atoms and making nuclear weapons or some ridiculous shady crap like that. It's a simple matter of privacy.
 
iRevelationz
But if your Xbox is off yet still able to respond to your voice commands, then something in there is still on, isn't it?
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No you aren't reading into things. I said that if I want to turn the console on through my voice I will be able to say something along the lines like 'Xbox On' it will turn on. There is all sorts of technology that uses voice commands. It's like hearing your name. If someone were to say your name you would turn to them and give the attention that person wants from you.

It's not worth discussing this anymore since you obviously ride off of the fact that the Kinect is listening to you and is somehow 'mysteriously on'. It sounds like paranoia more than anything else.

iRevelationz
It's not like I spend my nights in my room fusing atoms and making nuclear weapons or some ridiculous shady crap like that. It's a simple matter of privacy.
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Will it make you feel better if I were to say 'Kinect isn't going to spy on you'? I've been trying to say what in other ways for the past 3 posts or so.
 
phillkillv2
It's to be able to hear your commands.. If I want to turn my Xbox on through my voice then it will pick up my voice and turn it on, it's not listening to conversations. It listens to key voice commands.. You're blowing this 'Kinect spy' ******** out of proportion. If you were to actually read into things you would be better off.
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I really just need you to think about what you're saying here. You're just gonna go ahead and trust this company, with no basis at all, other than that they told you so. Do I really have to tell you that if it can listen to "key voice commands" it also has the ability to listen to anything at all whenever they would want it to?

You don't have to counter what I'm saying with the tired old, " if you have nothing to hide, don't worry," bs. It doesn't make sense.

I'm only trying to point out the clear possibilities here, not intentions. I'm still getting an XOXO hugs and kisses, but I'm getting it under the full understanding that this thing is yet another tool (albeit even more advanced) that can be (not will be) used by our government to spy on me. That is a fact, again, I'm not stating intention on MS or the NSA's behalf, simply that it's possible.

phillkillv2
Will it make you feel better if I were to say 'Kinect isn't going to spy on you'? I've been trying to say what in other ways for the past 3 posts or so.
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How can you say this with a straight face? You have absolutely no basis to draw a conclusion from, only time will tell. All you have is things stacking against you and your idea that it "isn't going to spy on you." Have you heard anything about the NSA in the news lately?

I encourage you to watch this and really digest what is being said (start watching from around 19:12 or so)
 
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You should probably stock up on TV's, as more and more newer ones have voice commands. Microsoft if just going along with the current trend, which happens to be voice control.

Reynolds Wrap must be posting record profits lately.:lol:
 
phillkillv2
No you aren't reading into things. I said that if I want to turn the console on through my voice I will be able to say something along the lines like 'Xbox On' it will turn on. There is all sorts of technology that uses voice commands. It's like hearing your name. If someone were to say your name you would turn to them and give the attention that person wants from you.
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Except the Xbox is a machine, not a human.

phillkillv2
It's not worth discussing this anymore since you obviously ride off of the fact that the Kinect is listening to you and is somehow 'mysteriously on'. It sounds like paranoia more than anything else.
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Of course it's paranoia. What else would it be? Did I say Kinect is listening? No, not sure where you got that from. Do I think there's a possibility of it? Absolutely, and that's enough to cause concern for me, and apparently a lot of others.



phillkillv2
Will it make you feel better if I were to say 'Kinect isn't going to spy on you'? I've been trying to say what in other ways for the past 3 posts or so.
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No offense, but you're a random person on an internet forum. Telling me a product neither of us have any experience with isn't going to spy on me isn't very reassuring. I'd expect you to say the same if the roles were reversed.
 
Wardez
How can you say this with a straight face? You have absolutely no basis to draw a conclusion from, only time will tell. All you have is things stacking against you and your idea that it "isn't going to spy on you." Have you heard anything about the NSA in the news lately?

I encourage you to watch this and really digest what is being said:
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I know about that Prism BS. I don't care about it. It's inevitable. The U.S will be a real life Mirrors Edge in a few years. If you don't like what the government is doing then It's either you move or deal with it. I'm not going to change my opinion on a piece of tech because of the fact that I may be spied on. This argument is like beating a dead horse. It's pointless to continue on with it. Don't buy the console. Alright. If you're suspicious of people watching you wank through your Kinect then don't buy the XB1. Simple as that. I'm done with this childish argument. Argue about something that is actually worthwhile.

iRevelationz
No offense, but you're a random person on an internet forum. Telling me a product neither of us have any experience with isn't going to spy on me isn't very reassuring. I'd expect you to say the same if the roles were reversed.
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Same goes for the gaming websites out there. We're all random people on the internet. Who do you believe? ^^ I'm done with this childish argument. Argue about something that is actually worthwhile.
 
I think the reason the Kinect needs to be Kinected is because it has to be there to turn the console on. I remember reading that if you don't want to use the console, then you can completely disable the whole thing via System Security settings. Possibly even disKinect it from the Xbox itself.

And yes, all uses of Kinected and disKinect are intentional. ;)
 
Justin
You should probably stock up on TV's, as more and more newer ones have voice commands. Microsoft if just going along with the current trend, which happens to be voice control.

Reynolds Wrap must be posting record profits lately.:lol:
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You guys :/

This shouldn't be just accepted as just another "trend" of technology. There's absolutely no need for it, we as consumers that don't want/need it are in the majority.

Look, it's true that if someone's really out to get you, they'll get you, they don't need Facebook, or the Xbone, or the mic on your laptop, to necessarily get there. But the fact that they feel the need to record absolutely everything they can get their hands on and store it should send chills down your spine and we as consumers have to everything we can in order to show the companies that we know these "features" aren't necessary (although they are nice for the disabled, but that should be targeted application, not broad) and that we're tired of this trend. Don't treat your privacy as some sort of sacrifice for better tech.

Having said that though, I'm not an imbecile that's going to ignore the fact that this is our future, but there's absolutely no reason it needs to happen now. While we still have a say, we should do everything we can, in doing things like pressuring MS to get rid of the Kinect 2 requirement, while we still can.
 
Honestly I'd prefer that Kinect was sold separately. That way the console could be $399 and I could do without a feature I could car less for!

Though headtracking in Forza with Kinect could be cool!
 
phillkillv2
I know about that Prism BS. I don't care about it. It's inevitable. The U.S will be a real life Mirrors Edge in a few years. If you don't like what the government is doing then It's either you move or deal with it. I'm not going to change my opinion on a piece of tech because of the fact that I may be spied on. This argument is like beating a dead horse. It's pointless to continue on with it. Don't buy the console. Alright. If you're suspicious of people watching you wank through your Kinect then don't buy the XB1. Simple as that. I'm done with this childish argument. Argue about something that is actually worthwhile.

Same goes for the gaming websites out there. We're all random people on the internet. Who do you believe? ^^ I'm done with this childish argument. Argue about something that is actually worthwhile.
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If you have to resort to that tired old attempt to come out on top, by just trying to dismiss the debate as "childish" and to switch to something "worthwhile." You're just conceding you have nothing to put up to defend these practices anymore.

I'm not asking you to change your opinion on the piece of tech itself, but the practice of requiring the Kinect 2 in the first place.

Getting back to the issue, which you keep dodging, why does the Kinect 2 need to be connected at all? Or have you come to agree that it can be used to spy?
You're ravenous in your defense on the Xbox's right to deny us basic rights as consumers but you have provided absolutely nothing reasonable as to why we should just sit and accept it. "It's the future" "The U.S. will be real life Mirror's Edge" right, one person not buying an Xbone isn't going to make the government say "sorry" and change their ways, but the point is that if you just take all these things sitting down, without at least asking a damn question about it and actually trying to look into it for yourself, you've become less free and that's sad.

I'm not asking you to try and start a revolution or anything remotely like that, I'd be the first to tell you that was a stupid thing to try or even think about with these matters. All I'm saying is I don't think you should be ignorant toward this, just educate yourself on this a little bit, from every side, that's all.

I think if everyone did that little bit, this place would be a lot better off. So, taking in what I've just said seriously, who's being the childish one?
 
phillkillv2
I know about that Prism BS. I don't care about it. It's inevitable. The U.S will be a real life Mirrors Edge in a few years. If you don't like what the government is doing then It's either you move or deal with it. I'm not going to change my opinion on a piece of tech because of the fact that I may be spied on. This argument is like beating a dead horse. It's pointless to continue on with it. Don't buy the console. Alright. If you're suspicious of people watching you wank through your Kinect then don't buy the XB1. Simple as that. I'm done with this childish argument. Argue about something that is actually worthwhile.



Same goes for the gaming websites out there. We're all random people on the internet. Who do you believe? ^^ I'm done with this childish argument. Argue about something that is actually worthwhile.
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I have a hard time believing anyone these days, so...yeah.

You don't have a counter with your argument, so you get the hell out of dodge. No issue with that.
 
It's great that they fix the situation they had going on. It is still 100 more than the ps4 plus the hdd is non removable. The ps4 has a removable hdd forget 500gb I want 2 or 3T hdd
 
Crispy

I think the reason the Kinect needs to be Kinected is because it has to be there to turn the console on. I remember reading that if you don't want to use the console, then you can completely disable the whole thing via System Security settings. Possibly even disKinect it from the Xbox itself.

And yes, all uses of Kinected and disKinect are intentional

Honestly I'd prefer that Kinect was sold separately. That way the console could be $399 and I could do without a feature I could car less for!

Though headtracking in Forza with Kinect could be cool!
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Think of it from a Kinect developer point of view.

Firstly you'll want it to come with the system so you know everyone has it. then you need to make sure people will set it up. Out of 20 million Xbox One units sold, 15 million of them could be still in the box if you don't make it a requirement.

Still, its a gamble, they're giving Kinect a good chance but I'm like you, i don't care for it right now. Would prefer an Xbox without and that money going on a better GPU
 
iMikeTheKing
When you set the system up the first time out of the box, they want you to connect to the internet. I guess it is to set-up your account.
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So... let me get this straight. You STILL can't play on the XBone until you connect to the internet?
 

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