Microtransactions Have Arrived in Gran Turismo Sport

[ScottPuss20]

This is not like an EA situation where a large chunk of content is hidden behind a pay wall. There is NO new content in these micro transactions, meaning that they are OPTIONAL; unlike Star Wars Battlefront 2. IF content was being hidden behind a pay wall, we would riot but that is NOT THE CASE HERE. Relax people, we aren't being ripped off.

 

[PzR Slim]

Personally it doesn't really bother me that much. I'd much prefer it if all cars were available from the beginning and you could drive whatever you wanted whenever you wanted.

However, the hypocrisy of some posters in this thread truly is staggering.

 

[Skiddy]

This is the worst thing that ever happened in a GT game. Giving people the option to buy cars with microtransactions that you actually have already paid for.

So, you're saying that having more options is bad? Nobody is forcing you to give any more money. It's an option.

 

[zooburner]

I agree,

These are not cars you could not otherwise get, all the cars you can buy from the store you can also buy with in-game credits. Took me about a week with moderate playing to save enough credits for a 2,000,000 car.

I like that we have to work for the cars which are beautiful, in any case they certainly are not the best cars to wins races if that is your goal, there are cars that are better and cheaper for winning races.

 

[F4H Super GT]

This update essentially changes nothing. Buy the car with credits if you don't want to use your own money. Buy the cars with your own money if you don't have the time to get the credits.

The only gripe you could have is if you think they've deliberately made it hard to get credits in the hope that people would use real cash. Which isn't what I think they've done it for really (although of course they will make some money from it.)

 

[ImaRobot]

Stop beating around the bush and answer the question

GTS has given near 60 cars and 5 tracks. Did Forza

No, and I’ve literally never said it did or didnt. It also isn’t lacking in content so it makes sense the route the two developers took.

Now, can you answer a question; did you or did you not make absolutely baseless, hypocritical statements regarding microtransactions? Actually, don’t bother answering that as anything short of “yes” would just be stupidly inaccurate, and intentionally misleading. It’s good to know that when you get busted in your own bull ****, you choose to spit out more instead.

I have absolutely no idea how “OH YEAH, WELL PD GAVE AWAY FREE DLC!” Is in any way a retort against someone asking why you’ve absolutely belittled games in the past about this very issue, but as soon as it’s in GT, you just let it pass like you’ve never said those things before. What the heck does that even have to do with the point? you’ve backed yourself into a corner with all the absolutely stupid crap you’ve said before, and now you’re eating your words. That’s the very definition of irony.

 

[Mr P]

The World is just full of greed.. It was only a matter of time before PD joined the countless other greedy game makers milking there customers for every penny 👎 Buying the game should be the only payment to the makers and I definitely wont buy a single car for this game considering I played it religiously for almost 8 months and conveniently never got any of the 20 mill cars from the carousel.. but don't worry they will be on offer soon for a special purchase price of £14.99 each

Thanks PD for showing your true colors in the end... dirty money grabbin b******s pffft 👎

 

[Bojador]

I bought the game when the Gr2 cars were added and at the time one of the things that worried me was how long would I have to grind to get a car I could trully enjoy driving (I had the Gr2 in mind) so I was please that I could get the Deluxe version with the 2 million credit and some cars. Then when I got the game I realized that you can ear credits quite fast at start (not even talking about exploits).

This is to show 2 important things:
1. You can pay for cars with credits and you don’t have to grind hundreds of hours (for most cars at least)

2. The deluxe version or the ability to buy cars with real money is a great option for newcomers and for people that just want that new car that has been releases and haven’t acumulates enough credits (I would buy the F1 right now if I could).

PD needs to do something to minimize the entry cost for new players and this is a good way to do it. Also, unlike other games this is not hurting people that have bought the cars with credits.

I believe we all want the game the flourish and atract new players so I have a hard time understanding this backlash.

The only argument I can understand is that at some point Kaz said the game wouldn’t have MT but maybe after analyzing others alternatives they realizes this is the best. We all changed out minds about something before and I can hust guess that Kaz himself struggled to make this compromise but it probably did it with good intentions and to safeguard the survival of the game/series so let’s try to understand his reasoning and be glad they implemented it the way they did.

If Kaz made a statment it would be great but in all honestly we (the fans of the series) don’t really need one.

We got you Kaz. Keep on doing a great job in adding new content for the game.

 

[Tired Tyres]

I wonder how long they've been planning this? Makes me wonder given there is such a grind fest to this game once you've got through the various licences, missions and track challenges.

But then why limit it to the cheapest cars that can be earned in just a few races around a three corner oval.

I suspect the **** storm that would happen if it was for the 20 million cars would be epic. As would the defence on the grounds that "its an option".

Strange how other games are removing this sort of thing and PD are just putting it in. Are they really that slow?

 

[Downhill Dino]

Strange how other games are removing this sort of thing and PD are just putting it in. Are they really that slow?

Forgetting the worse version that was in GT6.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Forgetting the worse version that was in GT6.

Yes but credits were not as difficult to come by in GT6.....

 

[Downhill Dino]

On the flip side the game throws free cars at you, albeit random.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

The World is just full of greed.. It was only a matter of time before PD joined the countless other greedy game makers milking there customers for every penny 👎 Buying the game should be the only payment to the makers and I definitely wont buy a single car for this game considering I played it religiously for almost 8 months and conveniently never got any of the 20 mill cars from the carousel.. but don't worry they will be on offer soon for a special purchase price of £14.99 each

Thanks PD for showing your true colors in the end... dirty money grabbin b******s pffft

This game wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for greed. The game industry wouldn't even exist.

The socialist melodrama here is out of control.

There are a lot of gamers with a lot of excess income. Not having ways for them to waste their money is financially reckless for any studio. These paid options don't interfere with how I play the game and their income will help to subsidize the community costs for a game I'm still enjoying. For Gran Turismo to successfully exist as a service, it has to generate income outside of initial sales. That's just the reality of maintaining a game well past release and your observations just aren't compatible with the real world.

Had PD operated with your reasoning this game would have been shut down awhile ago.

 

[Tired Tyres]

On the flip side the game throws free cars at you, albeit random.

Oh look. I've just won a car. The same car I've already won four times. And I still can't sell it for credits.....

 

[Mr P]

This game wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for greed. The game industry wouldn't even exist.

The socialist melodrama here is out of control.

There are a lot of gamers with a lot of excess income. Not having ways for them to waste their money is financially reckless for any studio. These paid options don't interfere with how I play the game and their income will help to subsidize the community costs for a game I'm still enjoying. For Gran Turismo to successfully exist as a service, it has to generate income outside of initial sales. That's just the reality of maintaining a game well past release and your observations just aren't compatible with the real world.

Had PD operated with your reasoning this game would have been shut down awhile ago.

Well maybe everyone should have the same overall unanimous opinion and everyone can stop posting because all opinions will be the same!

The world doesn't work like that unfortunately and on this instance I don't like it one bit.. Is that ok to have my opinion? Thanks for making me see things your way

Go back to being a sheep now and get your wallet out :tup:

 

[Moglet]

The World is just full of greed.. It was only a matter of time before PD joined the countless other greedy game makers milking there customers for every penny 👎 Buying the game should be the only payment to the makers and I definitely wont buy a single car for this game considering I played it religiously for almost 8 months and conveniently never got any of the 20 mill cars from the carousel.. but don't worry they will be on offer soon for a special purchase price of £14.99 each

Thanks PD for showing your true colors in the end... dirty money grabbin b******s pffft 👎

Game development costs a hell of a lot these days, and for many developers running off just game sales would mean they wouldn't be able to support the title for very long and certainly wouldn't be able to continue to develop future titles. You said yourself you've played the game "religiously for almost 8 months", and during those 8 months we've had numerous free updates, none of which were free to develop. It makes me laugh how angry people get over a form of entertainment that often works out very cheap when you consider the overall cost per hour.

EDIT: That's not to say that microtransactions always just cover development costs of course, but any good developer will be putting the money made back into their games and/or studio costs.

 

[Mr P]

Game development costs a hell of a lot these days, and for many developers running off just game sales would mean they wouldn't be able to support the title for very long and certainly wouldn't be able to continue to develop future titles. You said yourself you've played the game "religiously for almost 8 months", and during those 8 months we've had numerous free updates, none of which were free to develop. It makes me laugh how angry people get over a form of entertainment that often works out very cheap when you consider the overall cost per hour.

How do you work out I am angry by having an opinion on greedy game developers? do you think I walk about punching the walls etc? I am entitled to an opinion like everyone else, I'm not angry I just don't like paying for something then paying for little silly add ons.. no anger here but feel free to picture me trashing my house over this 👍

Probably for the best I make this my last post in here before the pitchforks come out again haha Have fun guys

 

[ImaRobot]

I'm not angry I just don't like paying for something then paying for little silly add ons

Then don’t.

 

[Mr P]

Then don’t.

I wont 👍

 

[Moglet]

How do you work out I am angry by having an opinion on greedy game developers? do you think I walk about punching the walls etc? I am entitled to an opinion like everyone else, I'm not angry I just don't like paying for something then paying for little silly add ons.. no anger here but feel free to picture me trashing my house over this 👍

Thanks PD for showing your true colors in the end... dirty money grabbin b******s pffft 👎

Anger =/= destroying your house. Your message came across as angry to me, even if that wasn't the intent. " Dirty money grabbin ******** " certainly doesn't sound that endearing to me but that's due to how text can't convey emotion. It also wasn't aimed directly at you but more of a general comment, although I can see why the formatting would cause it to be read differently.

EDIT: Removed a word that might be considered offensive since it didn't seem to get picked up by the filter and wasn't sure if it should have been or not!

 

[SPhilli911]

I don't mind this. Since it's totally optional and all. But I sorta want the 250 GTO enough that I might pay real money and that one just isn't available to buy.

 

[ImaRobot]

I wont 👍

The good thing about choosing not to buy into it, is that you potentially still benefit from their introduction if the developers put that money towards the community in one way or another.

 

[DR_MOJO91]

Another lie by ImaRobot


GTS has given near 60 cars and 5 tracks. Did Forza 7?



Show me one DLC car/track that has been simply copy and pasted from previous games

GTS cars/tracks are different models or have been retouched.



Moving goalposts won't help you

I added that guy to the ignore list long time ago, best thing to do. Micro-transactions suck in all forum, but loot boxes that doesn't guarantee a car, that's straight up gambling for all we know the embedded coding is probably set to 0% chance of acquiring that car.

 

[kjeldsen]

Yes but credits were not as difficult to come by in GT6.....

I may have forgotten how it worked in gt6. But you can make around a million an hour in GT Sport. The big difference is that in Gt-Sport you don't get a lot in sport mode unless you win.

Well maybe everyone should have the same overall unanimous opinion and everyone can stop posting because all opinions will be the same!

The world doesn't work like that unfortunately and on this instance I don't like it one bit.. Is that ok to have my opinion? Thanks for making me see things your way

Go back to being a sheep now and get your wallet out :tup:

What's with the provocative tone?
Argue on principles and fact, don't act like a US president.

AFAIK there isn't any other game with micro transactions that let's you disable the option.
And here is the question, if you disable the option in the game, is the game then any different than with the option? No didn't think so. Even if i don't like mt simply on principle I cannot think of another game where it really is optional to such a degree as in the version.

 

[Mr P]

Anger =/= destroying your house. Your message came across as angry to me, even if that wasn't the intent. " Dirty money grabbin ******** " certainly doesn't sound that endearing to me but that's due to how text can't convey emotion. It also wasn't aimed directly at you but more of a general comment, although I can see why the formatting would cause it to be read differently.

EDIT: Removed a word that might be considered offensive since it didn't seem to get picked up by the filter and wasn't sure if it should have been or not!

That's fine it does sound harsh but I've had my fill of these add ons for COD and other games etc.. over the years, Didn't want to see it happen with GT my most played franchise to date

My moan is at PD not the people here, sorry if I shocked anyone with my blunt opinion on PD's new cash cow 👍

 

[ArR29]

How do you work out I am angry by having an opinion on greedy game developers? do you think I walk about punching the walls etc? I am entitled to an opinion like everyone else, I'm not angry I just don't like paying for something then paying for little silly add ons.. no anger here but feel free to picture me trashing my house over this 👍

Probably for the best I make this my last post in here before the pitchforks come out again haha Have fun guys

Maximizing profit isn't greed, it's just part of any business. Giving free content for almost a whole year isn't sustainable for them, monetizing their product is inevitable. Honestly the only bad thing about this issue is PD not properly communicating with their fanbase about bringing back the Micro transactions.

 

[L_Kesan]

Why are micro-transactions problem? all games have them. I am fine with it so long There won't be exclusive content that cannot be bought other way than by making it rain *cough* EA *cough*
but we have seen how this all started. it starts as innocent micro-transaction and turns into paywall nice example is GTA5 Online.

Look at it this way if you aren't willing to pay you are not forced to. you are not missing out on anything. any complaints are irrelevant if you are going to spend the money on the cars anyway and if you aren't going to how is it affecting you that you have to complain about it?

It's great for development for future and the way they implemented it made it so for the true classics [such as Miura(which i have recently aquired ^.^), p330 or xj13] you still need to make effort to get them so they aren't loosing ''trophy'' like value to you and so are you bothered really if all gr3 and gr4 cars are the same price therefore if somebody will spend a buck here or there on them? Do I ask too many questions?

look at gt sport as pd does - it's a testbed or a platform for upcoming game so if we give them feedback of what we like and suggestions of how to do stuff it's more efficient then signing petition to remove feature you aren't planning on using.

 

[Moglet]

That's fine it does sound harsh but I've had my fill of these add ons for COD and other games etc.. over the years, Didn't want to see it happen with GT my most played franchise to date

My moan is at PD not the people here, sorry if I shocked anyone with my blunt opinion on PD's new cash cow 👍

I will say that I do understand the frustration directed at PD due to the way they promised something and delivered something else, but who knows what went on behind the scenes to cause them to make that decision.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I added that guy to the ignore list long time ago, best thing to do. Micro-transactions suck in all forum, but loot boxes that doesn't guarantee a car, that's straight up gambling for all we know the embedded coding is probably set to 0% chance of acquiring that car.

It isn't gambling if there's no real-world cash involved. And, if all of the possible cars that are available in said boxes are also available the old-fashioned way (purchasing with in-game credits), said boxes can conceivably be completely ignored. Just like these MTs.

AFAIK there isn't any other game with micro transactions that let's you disable the option.
And here is the question, if you disable the option in the game, is the game then any different than with the option? No didn't think so. Even if i don't like mt simply on principle I cannot think of another game where it really is optional to such a degree as in the version.

Recent iterations of Forza allow you to turn off MTs in the same way (clicky).

look at gt sport as pd does - it's a testbed or a platform for upcoming game so if we give them feedback of what we like and suggestions of how to do stuff it's more efficient then signing petition to remove feature you aren't planning on using.

GT Sport.* PD.*

The thing with that approach is that this wasn't a game sold as a early access test product. It was a full price, AAA title, one its developer said dropped zero features from past iterations, and in fact had more.

Personally, I don't look at it as a test bed, but I do recognize that in the modern era, games are constantly changing. Racing games, especially sim-ish ones, are probably the best candidates for GaaS models.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

That's fine it does sound harsh but I've had my fill of these add ons for COD and other games etc.. over the years, Didn't want to see it happen with GT my most played franchise to date

My moan is at PD not the people here, sorry if I shocked anyone with my blunt opinion on PD's new cash cow

I totally understand the sentiment but CoD DLC was a totally different issue. With each map pack release they kept whittling down their user base essentially strangling their user base and game to get every dime while simultaneously fragmenting the community.

In order to keep a game going after release it either needs to sell insanely well at release or it has to have a monetization model that won't kill the often fragile user base. Gran Turismo didn't not sell as well as they hoped and at this point their choices are to either enter a monetization scheme or simply let Sport die and rush GT7 out of the doors to make their money back.