Mid May and not even a hint of an update?

[Emet_PL]

You want them to fix it by using the other broken system in the game? I can't count how many times I got 10k on a 3 or 4 star ticket.

Fixing the Tickets is another problem, again easy to do.
Since we can't buy special parts nor the engines for swaps... they should throw out cash rewards completely from the tickes prize pool, the same with the normal "buyable" parts and leave just the special parts, engines and eventually also cars.
With current race cash awards we don't need cash prizes from daily tickets (which 99% of the time are rubbish anyway), that take space for the unique prizes.

 

[Urinal2001]

For me (and emphasis on me, I don't require anyone to share my view although it's great if they do) I bought the game to play, not to complete as fast as possible. I'm content for now to replay things once I have done everything because there are plenty of different car choices to, for me, keep things fresh. Yeah, the game definitely isn't complete right now, but I know that it will be. I'm in no rush to get them this very instant, I'm in this for the long run and will still be playing for a few years, but I understand that other people want it all right now. And I get that. But I also remember the ranting and rage that accompanied every delay of previous games.

 

[kjeldsen]

SONY, to an extent. But game developers have an emotional investment in their creations, and want everyone to love and buy them.

By the way, about to hop back into That Unfinished Game and spend much of my day with it.

I've learned long ago that the Human race isn't all that great. I've been praying a lot lately that God protects us from our own governments, and each other.

I was being pointy, but in this case i would argue that Kaz/PD lost sight of who they are or who we are.

I am certain they used huge amounts of resources on the absolutte core of the game, driving a car on a track. Because that is second to absolutely none and why i play the game, every day.

But they never played the game, there are simply to many examples of very poor gaming design. The Cafe is "flawless", but it stops right where things gets interesting. The in game economy is unbalanced (and microtransactions has NOTHING to do with it) it simply never got tested by real players. After the Cafe the events to do are thin for the normal players (those that needs to be handheld) if they played the game they would wonder why there is only one event on certain tracks, and they would question their sanity when they noticed that some tracks feature races with Rally Cars and Pickup trucks but not a single GR4-3-2-1 race..

And the prime example of super crappy design, the wheel of misfortune if they actually played the game, they would understand that trolling players every day isn't a good idea, and it would never have been in production.

 

[breeminator]

I haven't played the game much recently. I'm waiting for more races like the Sardegna WTC 800, i.e. consistent good conditions. I did the Spa 1 hour race once, but with random conditions there's no replay value as you can't compare race times.

 

[PletdeKoe]

I haven't played the game much recently. I'm waiting for more races like the Sardegna WTC 800, i.e. consistent good conditions. I did the Spa 1 hour race once, but with random conditions there's no replay value as you can't compare race times.

Well this just shows how different it can be for people. The fact that the conditions change everytime, for me, is the pinnacle of replay value. Because it is never exactly the same race.

 

[hardvibes]

Free will as long as those agree with you? You'll probably lump me in with a people you ignore in sweeping assumptions, while claiming you're oh so righteous no doubt. You are looking for an echo chamber, not a forum.

Just for the record, yes GT7 is a bit of a let down to some, but I've got over 200 hundered cars, haven't done all the CE yet, or completed all the races but enjoy using different cars for events.

Some people here, although having a reason to be disappointed, are coming across like entitled naive teenagers, which is why I've stopped doing forums so often now. No discussion, just empty, bandwagon jumping rants.

Whatever floats your boat

I'm not open to even reading comments like this one below:

GT1
GT2
GT3
GT4

All games that had NO updates after the initial release (unless you count the re-release for GT2 due to the percentage issue). And they were all games that gave me hours and hours of fun.

I'm not one that looks for updates every other month or so. Just give me a fun game and I'll play it. What happened to that? What happened to just playing a game and having fun? Completing GT7 (Cafe menu, Circuit Experiences, Missions, all other races/championships) takes/took a hell of a lot longer to complete than either of the previously mentioned games. So what is it? Is it impatience? Is the whole "they have a huge dev team so why can't they churn out new cars and new races every month or so?"

I'm just happy they keep making the games.

Learn some patience, guys. They'll release more content in due time. They're not actively trying to send their latest version to an early grave. Sony and Polyphony are both multi-million (billion?) dollar companies. Companies like that aren't really known for doing dumb things to piss off their main customer base.

 

[Terronium-12]

GT1
GT2
GT3
GT4

Completing GT7 (Cafe menu, Circuit Experiences, Missions, all other races/championships) takes/took a hell of a lot longer to complete than either of the previously mentioned games.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I'm sorry, but it's that you said completing GT7 takes longer than GT3 and 4 which has already been proven false.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Sorry. Sorry.

Even GT2 takes longer to complete.

 

[cjsrt4]

Fixing the Tickets is another problem, again easy to do.
Since we can't buy special parts nor the engines for swaps... they should throw out cash rewards completely from the tickes prize pool, the same with the normal "buyable" parts and leave just the special parts, engines and eventually also cars.
With current race cash awards we don't need cash prizes from daily tickets (which 99% of the time are rubbish anyway), that take space for the unique prizes.

A lot of the issues with this game are easy fixes.
I agree that the cash prizes are useless for the roulette system. IMO, any mod in the game should be available to buy. This 1% chance that you get something decent is ridiculous.

 

[HyperSpeeder]

A lot of the issues with this game are easy fixes.
I agree that the cash prizes are useless for the roulette system. IMO, any mod in the game should be available to buy. This 1% chance that you get something decent is ridiculous.

But if you let people buy titanium conrods, people won't buy them anyway, because it's one of those upgrades you can't revert.

I wish I could care more about the swaps, because most of them suck. At this point, I care more about not having won one than about the engines you can win. Some of them are racecar engines and you can't mod them further.

Still, the rarity of those parts means the content is useless. There's no point in having Stage 5 Weight Reduction if it's tied to a wheel of fortune that'll reward very few players in the playerbase.

This was never in any Gran Turismo and thus needs to go. Or let us buy them with Mileage.

 

[breeminator]

Well this just shows how different it can be for people. The fact that the conditions change everytime, for me, is the pinnacle of replay value. Because it is never exactly the same race.

I can certainly understand that, but if I try different cars, I can't compare the total race times to know which one was better, and also if people post their times on here for different cars so that collectively we can test lots of cars, the random conditions mean that even for drivers of similar skill we wouldn't know if a fast total race time was because they had found a good car and setup, or if they just got lucky with conditions. With the Sardegna race, you can change just two setup parameters, one that gives PP and one that takes PP to compensate, and do the race again to see if it makes you faster. Doing that over and over again for different parameters and cars gives a lot of understanding of how to optimise builds in the game. You can't do any of that with random conditions.

I don't object to having random conditions races in the game, but we need more than just one decent payout consistent conditions race across all tracks and PP levels in the game.

 

[kjeldsen]

Whatever floats your boat

I'm not open to even reading comments like this one below:

But quotes them anyway because you didn't read them, riiiiight

 

[hardvibes]

But quotes them anyway because you didn't read them, riiiiight

No. I read it once.
Then copy-pasted it.

 

[Kraftwabe]

If you are only able to find 3 races to do with the same car i can promise you there isn't any game that will satisfy you. Every track in this game is different depending on the car you drive. The same goes for every event/race. I have plenty of cars i want to try on SPA 24h and the Le Mans 30 minute. Same goes for most of the pp800 and pp730 races. And i haven't even started on the lower PP stuff.

Yes, if you need to be handheld through the content, the game is weak. If you want to drive hundred of cars on vast selection of tracks there is enough to do. The game is far from perfect, the lack of events/races/championships is to put it mildly, disappointing, the roulette can only be described is censored words. But if you like cars and racing, there is more than enough to do, even as we wait for content that should been here at launch.

There is absolutely no way for me to put it better than you did, sir. You have my sword...

 

[Nielsen]

Sure, here are some events Jimmy Fallon could play

Here are some more that a YouTuber could play pre-release at a special event set up by Sony

Part of me suspects that Hypercar, Vision GT and Gr. 1 were scrapped last minute because some wise guy thought WTC was a better concept. Here’s hoping the next update will debunk that theory. La Festa Cavallino somehow appeared in the final build as “Ferrari Challenge”, so it’s not looking too promising to be honest.

 

[Streeto]

Who knows what they get up to in that office on a day-to-day? It's probably a very lax environment without any strict deadlines.

That's the wrong kind of environment for the modern gaming industry we've found ourselves in.

 

[eugene1]

It's always slow at the start of any game, we only got 3 in Sport and then a couple weeks later we got 12 cars. People need to calm down.

 

[FoxMulder]

Games as a Service is just code for our game isn’t done yet, but $70 please. All over the industry they launch with bugs, fan blowback, controversial microtransaction economies, and severe lack of content.

 

[Magog]

PD never out and out made a live service game before (GTS is debatable) but they have chosen to do so with GT7.

With a live service game comes the expectation of a steady flow of new content and significantly more communication from the devs about upcoming content than the crumbs we've gotten from Kaz so far.

GTS isn't debatable. It was as much of a live service game at GT7. Expect one monthly update with little lead time.

 

[kilesa4568]

Games as a Service is just code for our game isn’t done yet, but $70 please. All over the industry they launch with bugs, fan blowback, controversial microtransaction economies, and severe lack of content.

Time to take the buying power back. Never preorder and put off buying them for 6 months to light a fire under their collective arses.

 

[Streeto]

Time to take the buying power back. Never preorder and put off buying them for 6 months to light a fire under their collective arses.

That's a nice idea, but a true boycott is almost impossible.

You'll have a hard time convincing enough people to even make a tiny ripple in their profit margins.

 

[BloodRaven]

Dude what? Have you genuinely just sat there and said it takes longer to beat GT7 than GT4?

Unless you exchanged your hands for lobster claws since GT4 came out and got considerably worse at racing games, I see literally no way that's possible. I'm pretty sure the 24h events in GT4 are longer than it takes to beat most of GT7.

GT1,and GT2 were ps1,so i cant see how any updates as such would have been possibe,same for GT3 which was ps2,so not sure how an update would have been possible either,though i stand corrected if wrong.
As for the final sentence in your post,do you not remember the recent backlash regarding the updates?
This was a full price game,unfinished etc missing content,how can you be happy about that?Simply saying we will get future updates does not make it right,i love the game,ive finished the menus and most of the races that interest me but am disappointed with what was released.Best GT ever?No.Doesnt deserve the 25th title at the moment.Take a look at Digital Foundrys 2 videos title The Gran Turismo Saga,you will see what content they had,events etc and how this pales in comparison.Just my opinion,not arguing with anybody.👍

What happened to that indeed. We don't get GT games like we did before because as soon as we enterted the update phase of gaming PD have instead taken the route of putting out whatever they have after X years and not worrying how thin it is because they have the luxury of updating it. GT5 v1.00 was abysmal after 6 years of dev. That would have never have worked in the old days of no updates.

No, it absolutely does not. GT4 had nigh on 300 hours of content, GT7 barely has 50. Having to redo the same circuit experience for 4 hours is not 4 hours of content.

It's expecting them to deliver all of the game at launch, like the old games, not drip feed it over months or years.

We have already seen evidence of more events that are ready to go, played by people pre-release, just sat locked on PD servers.

We've been told by two reliable sources there were at least 50 menu books originally, they cut some out to add back later.

Then you have online lobbies that are somehow worse than GT5, and a "live service" game with no regular updates, no constantly running community events to keep people interested, nothing but random updates when they feel like it and three whole races for people to do all week.

Not to mention this is the first ever GT game to launch with zero new tracks and just 54 new cars, it's not exactly fresh.

What exactly are people supposed to do once they finished the 50 hours of curated content? Just keep repeating it over and over? Make your own fun?

GT1-4 had excellent replay value. 80% of the races in GT7 can only be played once, unless you want to race for nothing. And most of them aren't even races. They are just sub 1 minute races. The fact that PD treated the cafe menu like a campaign, instead of a learning tool is just a joke. The game desperately needs an offline single player campaign that can be replayed as many times as you want. It shouldn't require you to navigate back and fourth through clunky windows and pages to find a race.

Whatever floats your boat

I'm not open to even reading comments like this one below:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I'm sorry, but it's that you said completing GT7 takes longer than GT3 and 4 which has already been proven false.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Sorry. Sorry.

Even GT2 takes longer to complete.

Well excuse me for not remembering every detail about every GT game from the past and how long they took to play for everyone who played them. For me, at that time, they didn't seem to take that long to go through. Maybe I'm misremembering, or maybe I had more time back then to just sit and play video games for hours on end.

But if so many people on here don't like the game, then why keep playing it? Why not sell it to someone who might enjoy it or return and get your money back? Then, you wouldn't be hassled or burdened with an "incomplete" game and wouldn't have to worry about having wasted your money on it.

When they release new content, I'll download it and play it, too. But I'm not even finished with the content we have, thus far. So I'll keep my copy and I'll keep playing it.

 

[kilesa4568]

That's a nice idea, but a true boycott is almost impossible.

You'll have a hard time convincing enough people to even make a tiny ripple in their profit margins.

It's just something I've decided to do with games in the future. They have to prove themselves worthy of my money within 6 months of launch or they go on the wait for a sale list. Funnily enough, where most of my games come from. Usually full fat ultimate versions for a fraction of the original cost and fully sorted.

 

[Nebuc72]

But if so many people on here don't like the game, then why keep playing it? Why not sell it to someone who might enjoy it or return and get your money back? Then, you wouldn't be hassled or burdened with an "incomplete" game and wouldn't have to worry about having wasted your money on it.

Because, newsflash! The world isn't binary. You can enjoy playing something whilst still being unhappy about parts of it! I know, shocking!

I enjoy the game. I love Sport mode races, and I enjoy doing custom races and playing the events we have offered to us.

I like doing those things, I still play the game every day without fail, and I have fun doing so.

But I can still find plenty of perfectly valid things to complain about. We're missing tons of SP events, so half of the cars in the game have no use. Custom races, despite an "adjustment", still have pitiful payouts so if you actually want to progress with the game, they're practically useless. Sport mode should have more to offer - 3 races a week gets dull by Friday, it should have a shuffle race (as previous games did) or it should offer more than 3 races.


Where else to voice these criticisms if not a forum based around the game. It's not perfect, and that's why people are here to discuss it. They want to love the game as much as they can, and they want to love it for the potential it can live up to. Having criticisms doesn't boil you down to someone who just doesn't like it and should sell it.

 

[Terronium-12]

Well excuse me for not remembering every detail about every GT game from the past and how long they took to play for everyone who played them. For me, at that time, they didn't seem to take that long to go through. Maybe I'm misremembering, or maybe I had more time back then to just sit and play video games for hours on end.

You certainly seemed positive of that statement when you made it. Whether you had more time back then or not, whether you have less time now or not — GT2, GT3, and GT4 all have longer playtimes than GT7. One of the 24H races in GT4 is legitimately longer than the time it takes to complete GT7's campaign.

And because you and several other people need to hear and read this again: criticism does not equal hate.

Again, Criticism =/= Hate.

 

[R3V]

They're probably still trying to figure out how to patch the Tomahawk.

 

[BloodRaven]

You certainly seemed positive of that statement when you made it. Whether you had more time back then or not, whether you have less time now or not — GT2, GT3, and GT4 all have longer playtimes than GT7. One of the 24H races in GT4 is legitimately longer than the time it takes to complete GT7's campaign.

And because you and several other people need to hear and read this again: criticism does not equal hate.

Again, Criticism =/= Hate.

Yes, I was positive when I made that statement. And after reading the responses I quoted, I was able to change a part of my mind about it when confronted with certain aspects of things I most likely misremembered. Am I not allowed to go back and change my mind? Doesn't matter, because I did, anyway.

And the 24h part.....it took me longer than 24 hours to complete the GT7 campaign. Know why? I'm a crappy driver. I know that, and I'm OK with it. But I still enjoy the game. It doesn't dampen the game for me, at all. It just means I have to try and be better at it to win more races. Yes, I can try to get better. And I have. But I'm just not that good at it. And, again, that's OK. I'm not trying to beat the world record times or be the best at anything. I just play for the sheer enjoyment of it. My only criticism right now is that I don't have more time to play it. But I have a life and a job that are way more important than any video game.

So maybe I'm reading too much into things; but it just seems like a lot of people (not just on here) are more heavily invested emotionally in this game than I am. Reading about people wanting to start petitions or a boycott honestly make me chuckle. And I don't do it to demean the way they feel about it. They paid a price for something they feel is unfinished. So be it. I don't feel as if I did. If you (not you, personally, just in general) want to boycott the game, then boycott it and don't give Sony/Polyphony any more of your money. That's your right and your prerogative. But I choose to keep supporting them because they make games that I enjoy.

 

[Silver Arrows]

but it just seems like a lot of people (not just on here) are more heavily invested emotionally in this game than I am.

That's what happens when you make people wait 9 years for another numbered title like they're accustomed to, after pivoting to an otherwise unsuccessful eSports tilt, and when that clearly bombed, do an about face and come crawling back to the mostly single player fanbase you told to go pound sand, in about as half hearted a measure as possible.

 

[Tassie_tiger]

That's what happens when you make people wait 9 years for another numbered title like they're accustomed to, after pivoting to an otherwise unsuccessful eSports tilt, and when that clearly bombed, do an about face and come crawling back to the mostly single player fanbase you told to go pound sand, in about as half hearted a measure as possible.

Gran Turismo Sport was unsuccessful and clearly bombed.

Yeh ... roger that.

 

[Samus]

Gran Turismo Sport was unsuccessful and clearly bombed.

Yeh ... roger that.

In terms of moving GT towards a competitive eSports focus it was unsuccessful, yes. It sold plenty of copies but the majority said no thanks to that.

 

[HyperSpeeder]

GaaS products are updated monthly.

Also, Japan just had their Golden Week.