Mid May and not even a hint of an update?

[Samus]

GT1
GT2
GT3
GT4

All games that had NO updates after the initial release (unless you count the re-release for GT2 due to the percentage issue). And they were all games that gave me hours and hours of fun.

I'm not one that looks for updates every other month or so. Just give me a fun game and I'll play it. What happened to that?

What happened to that indeed. We don't get GT games like we did before because as soon as we enterted the update phase of gaming PD have instead taken the route of putting out whatever they have after X years and not worrying how thin it is because they have the luxury of updating it. GT5 v1.00 was abysmal after 6 years of dev. That would have never have worked in the old days of no updates.

What happened to just playing a game and having fun? Completing GT7 (Cafe menu, Circuit Experiences, Missions, all other races/championships) takes/took a hell of a lot longer to complete than either of the previously mentioned games.

No, it absolutely does not. GT4 had nigh on 300 hours of content, GT7 barely has 50. Having to redo the same circuit experience for 4 hours is not 4 hours of content.

So what is it? Is it impatience? Is the whole "they have a huge dev team so why can't they churn out new cars and new races every month or so?"

I'm just happy they keep making the games.

Learn some patience, guys. They'll release more content in due time. They're not actively trying to send their latest version to an early grave. Sony and Polyphony are both multi-million (billion?) dollar companies. Companies like that aren't really known for doing dumb things to piss off their main customer base.

It's expecting them to deliver all of the game at launch, like the old games, not drip feed it over months or years.

We have already seen evidence of more events that are ready to go, played by people pre-release, just sat locked on PD servers.

We've been told by two reliable sources there were at least 50 menu books originally, they cut some out to add back later.

Then you have online lobbies that are somehow worse than GT5, and a "live service" game with no regular updates, no constantly running community events to keep people interested, nothing but random updates when they feel like it and three whole races for people to do all week.

Not to mention this is the first ever GT game to launch with zero new tracks and just 54 new cars, it's not exactly fresh.

What exactly are people supposed to do once they finished the 50 hours of curated content? Just keep repeating it over and over? Make your own fun?

 

[RaY29rus]

hey cut some out to add back later

Would like to see a proof of that. Sounds very confident to be an assumption, so there must be something set in stone out there.

 

[Nebuc72]

Would like to see a proof of that. Sounds very confident to be an assumption, so there must be something set in stone out there.

You can see a Vision GT Menu Book in the state of play, it's no secret things were obviously cut.

You also have the Fallon events, which would literally solve a ton of complaints that people have, but they continue to hold them back for whatever reason.

 

[Samus]

Would like to see a proof of that. Sounds very confident to be an assumption, so there must be something set in stone out there.

Sure, here are some events Jimmy Fallon could play

Here are some more that a YouTuber could play pre-release at a special event set up by Sony

Those are just the ones we've got a glimpse of. Who knows what else they have sat ready to go.

Here is Tidgeny telling us that there were 50 books originally. He's a GT World finalist with contacts to PD, so is reliable. IIRC someone else said 59, which is possible as Tidgeny wasn't 100% sure on the number, just that there were more. Either way, they existed, and got cut.

 

[SuperSportX]

Hoping the next update gives us Gr.2 and Gr.1 events along with 900PP and higher championships; sucks having a ton of 800PP+ cars but nowhere to use them other than custom races which are a ton of fun though the payouts are incredibly poor.

Which brings me to my next point, if PD doesn't add new events but instead ups the custom race payouts by atleast 3-5x that alone would make a ton of difference I feel. Or atleast doubles it every 10 laps:
Ex.
10 laps custom race sarthe = $100k, 20 laps sarthe custom race = 200k
10 laps nurb custom race = $150k, 20 laps nurb custom race = $300k

 

[B80]

I'm enjoying the game, most definitely, but lack of content is bizarre.

Why did they remove the other menus... bugs?

Surely PD had some inkling the game was lacking, compared to others?

Bugs perhaps, but they've had a long time to work on this.

Live Service drip feed? Thousands (millions?) Who bought it on launch have no doubt completed it and moved on, never to return again. Only a small % tend to stick with it long term don't they.

Wonder if Sony got p1ssed off and just forced PD to get it out there. Fortunate fm8/gt7 are exclusives on different platforms as it could have been embarrassing, once fm8 is released later this year. I have a suspicion that won't have similar issues to gt7.

 

[watto79]

90% of players finished the campaign within a fortnight

I respect your feeling that the single player game is lacking, but the above isn't close to being true. 27% of players have completed the campaign (as in the menus) in the 10 weeks the games been out. Less than 90% have completed the first menu.

I've said it here before, but most gamers are fairly casual with the way they play games. It's a niche group that play through all the content as quickly as possible.

 

[Nebuc72]

Here are some more that a YouTuber could play pre-release at a special event set up by Sony

Those are just the ones we've got a glimpse of. Who knows what else they have sat ready to go.

Jesus. I never knew these ones existed as well. It's such a shame that we got as little as we did when all of these are so clearly ready to go.

Like.. I don't need drip-fed race events, ffs - if you're going to drip feed us content I'm more than happy for it to just be cars and tracks. You know, actual content.

 

[RaY29rus]

Cut doesn't neccessarily mean they were cut just to hold it back and then release as a brand new content. There could be a million of other developing-related reasons to cut some stuff. If making events were as easy as we imagine it is, then there's no real reason to hold anything back, since they can just make new ones.

Most likely, some of those events were not finished or somehow didn't work. They will probably return eventually, but not because PD were holding it back. It just doesn't make any sense.

 

[Samus]

Most likely, some of those events were not finished or somehow didn't work.

Sorry but no, that isn't the most likely. Fallon played the events, they worked. There is no reason they wouldn't and even if they were somehow not working, it's been two months. They could've "fixed" them by now.

No, they're absolutely just holding them back. Occam's Razor.

 

[Nebuc72]

Most likely, some of those events were not finished or somehow didn't work. They will probably return eventually, but not because PD were holding it back. It just doesn't make any sense.

If this was the case, they should've delayed the game. Ridiculous of them in that case to happily release a game where 50% of the planned event content is missing.

We both know what the more likely scenario is.

 

[MIE1992]

My bet is that we won’t get a hint of an update until three or four days before it actually goes live, at most. So I’d give it another week or two, tops.

 

[cjsrt4]

GT1
GT2
GT3
GT4

All games that had NO updates after the initial release (unless you count the re-release for GT2 due to the percentage issue). And they were all games that gave me hours and hours of fun.

I'm not one that looks for updates every other month or so. Just give me a fun game and I'll play it. What happened to that? What happened to just playing a game and having fun? Completing GT7 (Cafe menu, Circuit Experiences, Missions, all other races/championships) takes/took a hell of a lot longer to complete than either of the previously mentioned games. So what is it? Is it impatience? Is the whole "they have a huge dev team so why can't they churn out new cars and new races every month or so?"

I'm just happy they keep making the games.

Learn some patience, guys. They'll release more content in due time. They're not actively trying to send their latest version to an early grave. Sony and Polyphony are both multi-million (billion?) dollar companies. Companies like that aren't really known for doing dumb things to piss off their main customer base.

GT1-4 had excellent replay value. 80% of the races in GT7 can only be played once, unless you want to race for nothing. And most of them aren't even races. They are just sub 1 minute races. The fact that PD treated the cafe menu like a campaign, instead of a learning tool is just a joke. The game desperately needs an offline single player campaign that can be replayed as many times as you want. It shouldn't require you to navigate back and fourth through clunky windows and pages to find a race.

 

[RaY29rus]

Sorry but no, that isn't the most likely. Fallon played the events, they worked. There is no reason they wouldn't and even if they were somehow not working, it's been two months. They could've "fixed" them by now.

No, they're absolutely just holding them back. Occam's Razor.

Occam's Razor explanation here would be "they are broken" though, wouldn't it? If they are just holding it back, they could've add them by now, especially after all the complaining. If events are easy to make, then it's much easier to just add what they already have and make new ones later. But if they are not easy to make, that means bugs are more likely to occur and they need to fix it before releasing. This explanation seems more simple to me.

 

[Mr616]

Of free will. Thanks GTPlanet for giving us this feature.

Free will as long as those agree with you? You'll probably lump me in with a people you ignore in sweeping assumptions, while claiming you're oh so righteous no doubt. You are looking for an echo chamber, not a forum.

Just for the record, yes GT7 is a bit of a let down to some, but I've got over 200 hundered cars, haven't done all the CE yet, or completed all the races but enjoy using different cars for events.

Some people here, although having a reason to be disappointed, are coming across like entitled naive teenagers, which is why I've stopped doing forums so often now. No discussion, just empty, bandwagon jumping rants.

 

[kjeldsen]

Of free will. Thanks GTPlanet for giving us this feature.

Free will in a echo chamber of your opinion and no one else's, that sounds awesome!!!

PD and Sony couldn't care less about any of us if it weren't for our money, no one here thinks otherwise. Players that are able to enjoy a game that isn't perfect isn't defending anyone except their own enjoyment.

 

[Samus]

Occam's Razor explanation here would be "they are broken" though, wouldn't it? If they are just holding it back, they could've add them by now, especially after all the complaining. If events are easy to make, then it's much easier to just add what they already have and make new ones later. But if they are not easy to make, that means bugs are more likely to occur and they need to fix it before releasing. This explanation seems more simple to me.

They are easy to make though. There is an in-game creator for us to use even. The only difference is they're temporary and no image is made but there are no bugs when we make them, no reason PD, with their own internal tools, would have any problems.

And again, these events are not bugged. Fallon played them. That YouTuber may have, I can't find the right video again right now. If they were bugged they wouldn't have even been included in any preview builds.

So no, the most likely explanation is that there is nothing wrong with these events and 11 extra cafe menus, PD are just holding them back for reasons known only to them, but we can make a pretty good assumption.

 

[RikkiGT-R]

GT1
GT2
GT3
GT4

All games that had NO updates after the initial release (unless you count the re-release for GT2 due to the percentage issue). And they were all games that gave me hours and hours of fun.

I still play those games to this day, especially GT4. I've had 17 years of fun so far. Not bad value at all.

 

[Sn1per666]

What happened to GT? Online happened. Now they feel like the campaign is unnecessary but it isn't because it's the only way to get credits. Dozens of new events are needed across a wide range of car classes.

 

[SestoScudo]

Welcome to the BS live service era.

Where content is drip feed and legacy features taken out then put back in a year later or maybe not even making the cut.

Its all live service bs lets not forget how other games have stupid seasons. Its the standard nowadays unfortunately.

 

[Samus]

Welcome to the BS live service era.

Where content is drip feed and legacy features taken out then put back in a year later or maybe not even making the cut.

Its all live service bs lets not forget how other games have stupid seasons. Its the standard nowadays unfortunately.

Yeah but at least other live service games actually have a clear roadmap and offer a large amount of regular, ongoing 'live' content.

GT gives us a couple of offline events whenever they feel like it and the only 'live' events they have running are the same three races that run all week that they had in GTS.

They could and should be doing so much more.

"This week we have a community time trial event, finish in the gold bracket/top 10% of players to earn 500,000, 250,000 for silver, 100,000 for bronze."
"This week it's something fun, drive one lap of Laguna Seca knocking down as many cones as possible to win prizes."
"A tough challenge this week, it's a one lap, one shot time trial at the Nordschliefe in a specially tuned Toyota Supra. Finish under X:XX to win the car!"
"Next month we'll be having a series of events, gain enough points across all of them to earn some unique prizes!"

To say they're doing the bare minimum would be an understatement.

 

[cjsrt4]

Welcome to the BS live service era.

Where content is drip feed and legacy features taken out then put back in a year later or maybe not even making the cut.

Its all live service bs lets not forget how other games have stupid seasons. Its the standard nowadays unfortunately.

Forza does a really good job with their live services. They are constantly active on twitch, they keep their audience informed of seasonal changes, have free dlc cars included regularly and offer expansion packs. They also update challenges to keep the user interested in the game. PD needs to step up their game. I still like GT7 more than any Forza game, but PD can do a better job of keeping their customers informed and excited about what to expect.

 

[Tenacious D]

PD and Sony couldn't care less about any of us if it weren't for our money, no one here thinks otherwise.

SONY, to an extent. But game developers have an emotional investment in their creations, and want everyone to love and buy them.

By the way, about to hop back into That Unfinished Game and spend much of my day with it.

I've learned long ago that the Human race isn't all that great. I've been praying a lot lately that God protects us from our own governments, and each other.

 

[Emet_PL]

GT1-4 had excellent replay value. 80% of the races in GT7 can only be played once, unless you want to race for nothing.

Yes, and they could very easily fix that by giving us the Lottery Tickets for wining a race (eg. 1-3 stars Ticket as a prise) or a championship (4-5 stars Ticket, depending on the lenght of the championship).

 

[cjsrt4]

Yes, and they could very easily fix that by giving us the Lottery Tickets for wining a race (eg. 1-3 stars Ticket as a prise) or a championship (4-5 stars Ticket, depending on the lenght of the championship).

You want them to fix it by using the other broken system in the game? I can't count how many times I got 10k on a 3 or 4 star ticket.

 

[ebadevil]

kek, now that's a well timed WOT throwback lol

Updates are like TOG; they are never early and never late......
they arrive exactly when they are meant to....

Rear Admiral Jingles.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Dude what? Have you genuinely just sat there and said it takes longer to beat GT7 than GT4?

Unless you exchanged your hands for lobster claws since GT4 came out and got considerably worse at racing games, I see literally no way that's possible. I'm pretty sure the 24h events in GT4 are longer than it takes to beat most of GT7.

Even saying GT7 takes longer to beat than GT3 is laughable. GT3's late game was full of events and long championships with 10-20 lap races.

 

[graesand]

Yeah GT7 is when Kaz **** the bed. I have never appreciated PC sims on low graphics as much as i do now... Maybe in a year they have a feasible physics model and 14 editions of the brz, oh and a few extra track layouts. Game is trash. A real shame because for me it destroyed that GT mythos... Might just get a new gpu instead of waiting for pd to sort their **** out. Game is thin.

 

[Matt atkins]

How some of you are defending this behaviour from PD is beyond me.

I paid $100aud for what I was told is “the most complete GT to date”.

And a “return to the roots” of Gran Turismo.

What I got was GT Sport Spec II and nothing more. Don’t get me wrong, the driving with a wheel feels awesome! I love it, and there’s nothing better than spending 10 mil on a car and having zero single player races to use it in.

Forza Motorsport 7, while not having a better physics model, is a much better game. I am confident Motorsport 8 will further eclipse this joke of a numbered Gran Turismo.

I paid 70 pounds for gran trisomo 7 Iam not happy with pD and there games they need to give us more

 

[kilesa4568]

When I bought the game, it never crossed my mind that I'd have to wait years for everything I've paid upfront for to arrive. For Christ's sake! I'll be nearly 60 by the time it happens!

I'm happy playing other PS4 games till it gets sorted and fleshed out but this will definitely be the last time I buy a live service game. Especially one like GT7 that arrives in an anaemic and broken state out of the box.

The lion's share of my driving will be done on the PC from now on anyway. Mainly because my wheel is better supported and less compromised like it is in console gaming and it took GT7 for me that to dawn on me. Something to be grateful for.