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Yes I am surprised there are trust issues. I've never been in a series where people have to worry about people cutting chicanes, that's really pathetic.

Second, why do we have an OP? Why not just mix everything up in a hat and pick settings out week by week, so far that's what we've done.

What happen to having 3 people in charge and that's it?

Exactly, i thought "the op is final if you dont likecthe op leave" ?

Why don't you private message me. Tell me what's up

Whats up is all the constant changes and desperate need to know that someone isnt cheating!

I need a loophole for Brands Hatch
Youre a frikkin loophole!!

What does it matter if someone cheats, just race your race and enjoy it! Ffs it was meant to be fun! If youre so concerned about cheats then maybe you should check your blood pressure and give up online gaming, otherwise just chill the funk out!
 
Well I was asked to join this,I didn't and I won't derail this. Wait till the patch is out,I will have one going.
I was also invited to join way back before the game was even out. At the time I thought it was a very ambitious idea and was interested, but felt I should wait for season two before deciding if I'd join or not as I wanted to see how various issues that come up would be handled. Well at least I can still say that it's an interesting series.
 
I was also invited to join way back before the game was even out. At the time I thought it was a very ambitious idea and was interested, but felt I should wait for season two before deciding if I'd join or not as I wanted to see how various issues that come up would be handled. Well at least I can still say that it's an interesting series.
 
Guys with all the drama today with bugs and cutting the Chicanes. I really hope they fixed it. Way too many bugs still in the game. For some of you that are mad and said your done. Don't leave over what the bugs caused this game for. The game needs a few Patches to help it. Season 1 is to get the bugs fixed so Season 2 we can have Pits. Everyone is yelling at everyone else. No one did anything wrong here. People are mad, no need to take it out on everyone. The bugs caused this dilemma we have. We all love to Race. Please let's get focused on Brands Hatch. The changes that happened where caused by the bugs in the game. I'm trying to be the piece maker here.

I don't want the Series to Tank due to bugs in the game. We can work around the bugs. The patches will fix it. Season 1 will be used for that. It's like a delay till Season 2. PCars is a new game. No new game is perfect. I'm hoping you all can understand where i'm coming from. Everyone that was mad wanted to Quit. Don't quit, i and the Staff will do our best with what we change. The only thing that was changed was Monza. Because of the cutting chicanes. Hopefully with a nights rest you will come back so we all can enjoy Racing. That's all i can say..
 
You were only using 5 gears at Road America. That's not necessarily a trick, but that is absolutely not something you would ever normally do. These are the things I'm talking about. Why would use only 5 gears if it didn't provide an advantage?

What can i say i love odd numbers :) This may not be the norm in real life but this is not real life!

I have learnt lots of things in tuning over the years, i was career #1 on SHIFT2 and that took a huge amount of tuning.

I have been top 5 in a list of games i have been on, no tricks involved. People who know me from my old account know im a true racer, as is @kie25 who i have big respect for.

But i did expected more from you oz, oh and racing chase cam with a wheel really isn't the norm!
 
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The truth is that everyone thinks we're changing the order of the tracks because we think that you're a bunch of cheating immoral rats.

That isn't the reason at all, we aren't saying that any of you are cheaters, and we never have (apart from the situation with Stalliono but that was off track and I don't think he would cut corners in an actual race.)

The main reason is to help keep everything smooth and drama free. We don't want people saying after the race "he must have been corner cutting to catch up with me that quickly". I've had that happen to me in a previous series I took part in with people who I thought were my friends and it was very ugly. I don't want that to happen here because after those accusations started flying the whole series went to 🤬.

As Stalliono has already said so many times now, we are having to work around the bugs. We don't have pit stops or dynamic weather in this series because pitting is broken (we still have damage turned on which has required people to pit before and ruined their races, but hey, that's been done now, and people don't want an 'arcade' series).

It isn't that we don't trust you guys, please understand that because that's the most important part of this message. It's that if we allow people to have an opportunity to cheat, there's no guarantee that even if no one does cheat, that people still won't accuse each other of cheating.

Just look at this situation with Ozwheels, he is accusing people of exploiting some kind of bug in tuning that gives unrealistic results, saying that they must be doing something because they're race pace is slower than their qualifying pace. Well think about this. Ozwheels' own team mate ernstj who is driving in the amateur tier, got a 2:05 at Road america in qualifying. That was a 1.5 seconds faster than second place! And yet, in the race ernstj didn't have anywhere near the same pace and came second. So what is it ozwheels, do you think your teammate is cheating as well? Personally, it has always been my opinion that ernstj just must be very good at securing a hot lap, but when it comes to the actual race he just can't maintain that pace without risking going off, so he drops down to a similar pace as everyone else.

At the moment this has all been blown massively out of proportion. You can't keep saying that "I signed up for what was in the op" because the rules have already changed multiple times due to bugs and we all agreed then, and those were big rule changes. And yet now, when we are taking about delaying a race by a few weeks, no one will accept that what we are doing what is best for the series, when it's such a minor change.

Keep in mind that the only reason there has been so much drama over this is because a few of you have gone looking for it. People have taken this change personally and it has to stop.
 
Do your really want to know what happened to this series? Gather Around and learn something. The Idea of this series and what we wanted this series to be was intriguing and sparked an interest in people that have a passion for racing and sim racing. Hell, Gaming Period. So the Series starts by inviting People in to become a part of something fun and try to give us a true to life racing experience. First Keep in mind the entire time that though this game is a awesome sim, It in its current state is broke. I mean its just not there yet as far as pits, off track penalties ect ect. We had no way of knowing it was going to be this way until release so there were going to have to be some changes regardless of what we want to make it fair and fun for everyone. Can we agree on that? Now it is well known that when you join a series that there is Certain Codes of conduct that is mentioned in the series rules but should go without saying. What is the foundation of every relationship be it work, home, family, wife, Racing series or whatever, What is it. TRUST. Clean, Respectable Racers. So here comes whoever and says, "hey you can cut corner 3 and take seconds off your time meaning you can cheat. We need to change to a track that doesnt allow this". So this guy announces the problem and says were going to change the track. You have just insulted every racer in the series of cheating. No you didnt say a name, You didnt even mention a group of people. But the person at the other end reading this is says to himself "Whos cheating? Well i know im not and i really wanted to race that track." Just you mentioning this causes conflict. And also demonstrates a lack of Respect to the series as a whole. Stalliono im not saying you. I know this has been tough. So bare with me. Now with the bugs and glitches brings new situations that require attention. Pro-too correct me if i am wrong but during your first race you pit for damage or something, regardless you had to pit. Didn't you come out on rain tires? I remember you saying your tires were burning up or something and basically it screwed up your race. Why are we not taking this out of the equation for now. No we don't want this series to be arcade but what choice do we have. I hit someone and knock there alignment out. they want to pit to get it fixed. They lose a few positions just to come back on track and find he has rain tires on. Now his race is screwed and what, do we say so sorry bud better luck next time. No we take the problem out of the equation. They will fix the problems eventually and we can have the series that we want but for know, You must operate within the boundaries that the game allows. Am i making since. At the end of the day aren't we living for the race. Yes it sucks, the games not finished but that doesn't mean this still couldn't be a blast. Instead we have wave after wave of complaining and change this and change that. I was 2nd. in charge of this series but found that with work and the fact im on third, I couldn't comment the time the series needed to help with these situations. Honestly, i shouldn't feel like if i haven't been on in three hours that all hell is going to break loose and feel guilty because i was asleep or working. By the time i would be available to help, the arguments had happened, decisions had been made and i had not one say in the matter. This you were wrong for Stali. I should have spoke up. And i shouldn't have stepped down. Most of the DRAMA that has accrued on the series could have been avoided if WE could have stood are ground, calmed the situation and discussed the problem and found a solution. The simplest solution usually is the best one. I say if people have trust issues, then THEY have trust issues. We all know right from wrong and people that are accusing people of cheating, there could be cheating or whatever should be ignored. If someone cheats they will eventually get caught. If you want to express your feelings fine. But should be ignored unless you know beyond a shadow of a doubt someone HAS cheated. DONT CREATE A PROBLEM IF THEIRS NOT ONE!!!!!!!! Because that problem stirs an argument so on and so on. So with this said its time we all take a deep breath and rethink this. I don't want to quit But if this is what i have to deal with than i will not continue to be here. I know how to fix this. I help start this league and can see what happened. Im going to talk to the Stali and see if we cant get this on the right track and stop this negativity that ruins the series for the ones that love it. Please hit the like button if you agree, Now MrMaddAds, Im calling you out. This is not alittle change. Its change that people are tired of. And regaurdless of what you think, your track change implies cheating. Like i said, that is the proplem. Quit talking like your looking out for everyone. We are adults thank you and know how to conduct ourselfs that way. We dont need you Creating problems that don't exist. The changing needs to stop. NOW!!! you have no idea what your doing and need to step aside. Ive been here from the beginning and never once have i talked to stali or anybody like you did today. NO RESPECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
David, get a grip and stop posting because your angry with me, it isn't helping anything.

Stalliono has cheated, he admitted he cheated, we have evidence he cheated. What more do you want!
 
the psn chat yesterday made me sick.


From my small pov we should do monza whatever anyone wants. See how it goes and learn from that.
 
I don't understand how people can accuse me of having no trust in everyone when we have ozwheels accusing kie and Zak of exploiting some unrealistic tune, you have almost everybody saying Stalliono was cheating, you have Stalliono accusing people of sandbagging.

Why is it now that I'm being pulled up on not trusting people when by all accounts I've only said people are cheating when I actually know they are?

That is a genuine question by the way, I truly want to know how you can all be so outraged that we are delaying, not cancelling a track, when you have the word cheat being sent around with no evidence at all by other people.
 
Just answer this 1 question

1. Would you prefer to stop any arguments before the race by making sure track limits are followed. Achieved by delaying a race by a few weeks?

2.or race the race and then try sort out arguments and people saying someone cheated.

It's not like the race has been cancelled it's just few weeks later. I would also like to point out that OZ and someone else was stating that they were getting 1.41s on monza when we questioned it, we was called arrogant, when the only way to get a 1.41 would be to cut a corner maybe these people should be brought up, as They have made people question people within this league, maybe people should consider what they are saying in a chat especially when they then call that person arrogant for saying that time is not possible.

Then we have someone accusing me off using a trick setup when I spend time testing all different changes each track, it's very insulting, in my view oz just can't take not being as fast as someone, I know there is faster than myself on this game, there is always someone faster. Each track will change and people will go faster on certain tracks than others.
 
I was also invited to join way back before the game was even out. At the time I thought it was a very ambitious idea and was interested, but felt I should wait for season two before deciding if I'd join or not as I wanted to see how various issues that come up would be handled. Well at least I can still say that it's an interesting series.
Same, waiting to see how this pans out, well teething problems is an understatement this has gotta be tyrannosaurus rex gnasher problemos ahi papi.
 
Do your really want to know what happened to this series? Gather Around and learn something. The Idea of this series and what we wanted this series to be was intriguing and sparked an interest in people that have a passion for racing and sim racing. Hell, Gaming Period. So the Series starts by inviting People in to become a part of something fun and try to give us a true to life racing experience. First Keep in mind the entire time that though this game is a awesome sim, It in its current state is broke. I mean its just not there yet as far as pits, off track penalties ect ect. We had no way of knowing it was going to be this way until release so there were going to have to be some changes regardless of what we want to make it fair and fun for everyone. Can we agree on that? Now it is well known that when you join a series that there is Certain Codes of conduct that is mentioned in the series rules but should go without saying. What is the foundation of every relationship be it work, home, family, wife, Racing series or whatever, What is it. TRUST. Clean, Respectable Racers. So here comes whoever and says, "hey you can cut corner 3 and take seconds off your time meaning you can cheat. We need to change to a track that doesnt allow this". So this guy announces the problem and says were going to change the track. You have just insulted every racer in the series of cheating. No you didnt say a name, You didnt even mention a group of people. But the person at the other end reading this is says to himself "Whos cheating? Well i know im not and i really wanted to race that track." Just you mentioning this causes conflict. And also demonstrates a lack of Respect to the series as a whole. Stalliono im not saying you. I know this has been tough. So bare with me. Now with the bugs and glitches brings new situations that require attention. Pro-too correct me if i am wrong but during your first race you pit for damage or something, regardless you had to pit. Didn't you come out on rain tires? I remember you saying your tires were burning up or something and basically it screwed up your race. Why are we not taking this out of the equation for now. No we don't want this series to be arcade but what choice do we have. I hit someone and knock there alignment out. they want to pit to get it fixed. They lose a few positions just to come back on track and find he has rain tires on. Now his race is screwed and what, do we say so sorry bud better luck next time. No we take the problem out of the equation. They will fix the problems eventually and we can have the series that we want but for know, You must operate within the boundaries that the game allows. Am i making since. At the end of the day aren't we living for the race. Yes it sucks, the games not finished but that doesn't mean this still couldn't be a blast. Instead we have wave after wave of complaining and change this and change that. I was 2nd. in charge of this series but found that with work and the fact im on third, I couldn't comment the time the series needed to help with these situations. Honestly, i shouldn't feel like if i haven't been on in three hours that all hell is going to break loose and feel guilty because i was asleep or working. By the time i would be available to help, the arguments had happened, decisions had been made and i had not one say in the matter. This you were wrong for Stali. I should have spoke up. And i shouldn't have stepped down. Most of the DRAMA that has accrued on the series could have been avoided if WE could have stood are ground, calmed the situation and discussed the problem and found a solution. The simplest solution usually is the best one. I say if people have trust issues, then THEY have trust issues. We all know right from wrong and people that are accusing people of cheating, there could be cheating or whatever should be ignored. If someone cheats they will eventually get caught. If you want to express your feelings fine. But should be ignored unless you know beyond a shadow of a doubt someone HAS cheated. DONT CREATE A PROBLEM IF THEIRS NOT ONE!!!!!!!! Because that problem stirs an argument so on and so on. So with this said its time we all take a deep breath and rethink this. I don't want to quit But if this is what i have to deal with than i will not continue to be here. I know how to fix this. I help start this league and can see what happened. Im going to talk to the Stali and see if we cant get this on the right track and stop this negativity that ruins the series for the ones that love it. Please hit the like button if you agree, Now MrMaddAds, Im calling you out. This is not alittle change. Its change that people are tired of. And regaurdless of what you think, your track change implies cheating. Like i said, that is the proplem. Quit talking like your looking out for everyone. We are adults thank you and know how to conduct ourselfs that way. We dont need you Creating problems that don't exist. The changing needs to stop. NOW!!! you have no idea what your doing and need to step aside. Ive been here from the beginning and never once have i talked to stali or anybody like you did today. NO RESPECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



MY EYES HURT....... Dave, I wanna read this,
the 1 st few lines seems interesting, but you need to break it up mate. I mean put a few paragraphs in there dude, cheers main.
 
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Sorry. I was upset. always Drama. Ive kept my mouth shut for for to long. Got alittle winded. And still confused. Im going home and getting tanked!!!!:lol: ;)
Good, maybe drunk you is better at reading messages than sober you. What the hell is wrong with you exploding every time I send a calm message with nothing to get pissed off at?
 
What's the storry about 5 gears used on road america ? what car can do that and be performing well ?

Even with "long" gears i would hit revlimiter in 6
 
What's the storry about 5 gears used on road america ? what car can do that and be performing well ?

Even with "long" gears i would hit revlimiter in 6

There is no story every car has different tuning options Zak went long on gears so 6th wasn't needed, I kept mine normal got pole, just Oz claiming we doing secret broken setups when we both clearly running different tunes.
 
Just answer this 1 question

1. Would you prefer to stop any arguments before the race by making sure track limits are followed. Achieved by delaying a race by a few weeks?

2.or race the race and then try sort out arguments and people saying someone cheated.

It's not like the race has been cancelled it's just few weeks later. I would also like to point out that OZ and someone else was stating that they were getting 1.41s on monza when we questioned it, we was called arrogant, when the only way to get a 1.41 would be to cut a corner maybe these people should be brought up, as They have made people question people within this league, maybe people should consider what they are saying in a chat especially when they then call that person arrogant for saying that time is not possible.

Then we have someone accusing me off using a trick setup when I spend time testing all different changes each track, it's very insulting, in my view oz just can't take not being as fast as someone, I know there is faster than myself on this game, there is always someone faster. Each track will change and people will go faster on certain tracks than others.

That other person was me. The reason I called you arrogant was because you couldn't see any other reason someone could get a faster time than you other than cheating.

I've never even turned a wheel at Monza yet. I sad I could get 1.41's just for a bit of banter (that's Scottish for fun for those that don't know). Trying to have a laugh with you guys, even put a winky face after it but some people are taking this series a bit too seriously.
 
That other person was me. The reason I called you arrogant was because you couldn't see any other reason someone could get a faster time than you other than cheating.

I've never even turned a wheel at Monza yet. I sad I could get 1.41's just for a bit of banter (that's Scottish for fun for those that don't know). Trying to have a laugh with you guys, even put a winky face after it but some people are taking this series a bit too seriously.
Well for 1 if you had said I'm doing 1.44.1 or 43s in Audi I would have said that's a good time, but as your in am tier and you said 41s most people with a brain cell would have said you was cutting corners to get that time, I understand people are faster but not by 3 seconds on a track with 6 corners basically, it's clear people will jump to conclusions. Use some common sense next time.
 
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