Monday Night Endurances -

[benda18]

GTPlanet OLR Rules & Guidelines state the following:

05: Rules Governing Car Contact:

A: Contacts and collisions must be avoided at all costs.

07: Contact Concessions:

A: If there’s contact between drivers that results in the guilty driver making up places on the innocent driver, the guilty driver should immediately allow the innocent driver to pass freely to re-establish their position. This rule should be observed, even if it means the guilty driver has to allow drivers not involved in the incident to pass while waiting for the driver they contacted.

08: Corner Rights:

A: When approaching the turn/apex of turn, the car which "holds" the inner side of turn has entrance-advantage and other driver(s) must refrain from endangering him by his actions.

B: You must establish substantial overlap with the car ahead before they reach the corner’s turn-in point to have the right to drive up their inside, or to expect them to leave inside room for you. At least the front of your car should be up to the driver’s position in the ahead car. The ahead driver has the right to be fully committed to the racing line of their choice without any interference if there was no substantial overlap before he turned in.

10: Defensive Driving:

A: Leading cars have the right to choose their own line down a straight. They can change their racing line once while driving down a straight (Move from the outside line to the inside, or vice versa). As they approach the next corner, they can return to the racing line of their choice However, they're not allowed to change their line when the behind driver is directly behind and changes his line to try and make a pass. If your movement causes an accident, you're responsible.

B: Leading cars have the right to take their line of choice through corners. I.e. they may drive a defensive line around the inside of a corner to protect their position, thereby forcing an attacking driver to try to pass around the outside. This is not blocking and is part of normal racing etiquette. In fact, apart from the restrictions of rule 10:A, a leading driver can drive any line which they feel is the most inconvenient for any following car to try to pass them.

C: Drivers that are about to get lapped have to make sure not to interfere with the lapping cars. Slow down on the straights on either side of the track or maintain the outside line during cornering. If for whatever reason you happen to be on the inside line when being overtaken, stay on the inside line until all drivers that were about to lap you have passed. You are not allowed to deliberately block the lapping cars.

 

[Glennm27]

Thanks Benda18 for putting this race together AND for letting me join in. To the others, thanks too as I was clearly and obviously very new to this. I was real slow and could not stay even close to you guys but I did watch my mirrors and tried my hardest not to get in anybody's way.

It was my first race ever and I did have fun but it was also a learning experience. I stuck it out and ran my hardest to the end just trying to learn finishing a lap down...
I believe my biggest downfall was my car choice. I just grabbed a car that was in the HP range and tweaked it a little and went. It was clearly not up to my competition.

I DID however have fun and hope to learn more with you guys IF you'll allow a slow poke back in the game with you.

I hope you'll let me join in next Monday at Laguna Seca. If so, put me on the list.

 

[The Bman]

I'm in for Laguna Seca. I'll be using a Camaro Z28 69' RM if it's Trans-Am cars.

 

[benda18]

Afraid to say it but I'm going to need some assistance over the next 12 hours figuring out suitable race regulations for the upcoming Laguna Seca race. If you have the time today would you mind thinking about (and possibly testing lap times) for the following:

Permitted Vehicles: Chevrolet Camaro SS RM '10, Chevrolet Camaro Z28 RM '69, Dodge Challenger R/T RM '70. Seems most everyone agrees with this.

Max Horsepower: Do we keep stock HP, set a arbitrary HP limit, or simply have no max horsepower limit?

Min Weight: Stock, arbitrary limit, or no limit?

Tires: Depending on horsepower would we need to move up to a Race Hard tire?

Aids: Depending on horsepower would it be good to allow TCS?

I'd like to provide a standard suspension / LSD / downforce / brake tune for people to use if they want. This will allow people who don't have the time/skill to come up with a suitable tune during the week to still have a competitive race.

In order to give everyone ample time to get ready for the next race I want to finalize all regulations for this race by midnight tonight (GMT-5).

 

[Prophet]

I say for the next race it should be a single make car with stock HP and weight. This way we can make sure everyone is on an equal level.

As for the car I would suggest the ACR Viper. It isn't expensive (100k if I remember correctly) so everyone should be able to afford it and its basically a race car.

As long as the skid recovery aid is off I don't have any issues with aids being on.

 

[HondaFanatic]

Rm'd Oldies with 500ish HP and whatever the weight is, the camaro is 1080 i believe. and racing hards since its a race car now

 

[benda18]

I say for the next race it should be a single make car with stock HP and weight. This way we can make sure everyone is on an equal level.

I think a one-make race (or even 2- or 3- make if they all have similar lap times) is appropriate. I think there's a way that you can setup the race online so that everyone can choose from 1 of a few select cars from my garage that I indicate is permitted in the race. It would allow everyone to have the same spec'd vehicle and also save everyone from going out and buying the car - effectively they're just borrowing it from me for the race. The downside though is that some people might actually want to buy the car and customize it (colors, race number, etc.)

If it works that way (i'll test tonight), all we need to do is pick the car, and figure out a good setup. Maybe we open up the lobby an hour earlier to allow people time to tune their setup too.

As far as cars go, I'm getting a bit excited about the '70 Challenger R/T RM . Thinking we should keep the power lower to prevent the race from getting outta hand.

 

[HondaFanatic]

Suzuki Cap. RM's would be a fun race too i think

 

[benda18]

I played around tonight with the Challenger and the Viper ACR. honestly I think the Viper is much more fun to drive. And at 100,000 cr. relatively inexpensive as Prophet pointed out. If there are no objections we can just firm things up as a one-make race Viper ACR, stock HP and weight, race hard tires, TC and ABS, etc.

Also wanted to point out that my understanding of how the online garage worked was completely wrong. Everyone will have to buy their own vehicle this week.

 

[benda18]

Suzuki Cap. RM's would be a fun race too i think

This would be a good fit for what I'm thinking next week: Low HP, low weight Autumn mini.

 

[RSection8]

I played around tonight with the Challenger and the Viper ACR. honestly I think the Viper is much more fun to drive. And at 100,000 cr. relatively inexpensive as Prophet pointed out. If there are no objections we can just firm things up as a one-make race Viper ACR, stock HP and weight, race hard tires, TC and ABS, etc.

Also wanted to point out that my understanding of how the online garage worked was completely wrong. Everyone will have to buy their own vehicle this week.

That sounds awesome to me. Sorry I missed yesterday, I was busy all last week and didn't test a single car and barely know my way around the track. I'm in for next week and the above sounds great. Viper sounds awesome! I get off a half hour before the race starts, so I probably won't qualify but will definately be home in time for the race!

 

[Glennm27]

I played around tonight with the Challenger and the Viper ACR. honestly I think the Viper is much more fun to drive. And at 100,000 cr. relatively inexpensive as Prophet pointed out. If there are no objections we can just firm things up as a one-make race Viper ACR, stock HP and weight, race hard tires, TC and ABS, etc.

Also wanted to point out that my understanding of how the online garage worked was completely wrong. Everyone will have to buy their own vehicle this week.

Just so I am 100% sure, what do you mean by saying "etc", after TC and ABS?

 

[benda18]

FWIW I found the stock setup of the Viper on Race Hards to be more than adequate. Good news for those with limited time to tune or who (like me) suck:censored: at it.

All details are now set for the upcoming race on Feb 14th (see 1st post).

Just so I am 100% sure, what do you mean by saying "etc", after TC and ABS?

 

[HondaFanatic]

Like the Viper ACR Idea, wanted to buy it for sometime now, just a good reason to do just that!

 

[Prophet]

All details are now set for the upcoming race on Feb 14th (see 1st post).

Should the HP restriction be moved up to what ever it is after oil change and motor brake-in?

It would suck if someone had to buy another car because of an oil change.

 

[benda18]

Should the HP restriction be moved up to what ever it is after oil change and motor brake-in?

It would suck if someone had to buy another car because of an oil change.

Good idea. I just pulled the 606 hp number off a spreadsheet here in the FAQ section. I'm going to do some engine run-in tonight in the GV300KM B-Spec, do an oil change then see what the max HP is.

If anyone else has already done this and can save me the time that would be great.

 

[Prophet]

Good idea. I just pulled the 606 hp number off a spreadsheet here in the FAQ section. I'm going to do some engine run-in tonight in the GV300KM B-Spec, do an oil change then see what the max HP is.

If anyone else has already done this and can save me the time that would be great.

After an oil change and putting 30 miles on my car it is up do 621hp. I would guess that it will be under 630hp once it is finally broke-in.

 

[Prophet]

For future races should we have rotating one-make and multi-make races?

To me it would seem easier to make the multi-make races a little more competitive because we could have almost 2 weeks to think up what should be allowed.

 

[benda18]

For future races should we have rotating one-make and multi-make races?

To me it would seem easier to make the multi-make races a little more competitive because we could have almost 2 weeks to think up what should be allowed.

Could you give an example of what you're thinking?

 

[Prophet]

Could you give an example of what you're thinking?

Basically what we are doing for the first two races you just rotate what the restrictions are every other week.

First week was open to any car that met the restrictions and the second week we all use a spec car.

So for the 3rd week I like the idea of a low power race and if we choose that we all want to use spec Cappuccinos then the 4th race will have some sort of restriction that will allow use to have multiple manufactures. Could be anything like Evo vs. STi or Camaro vs. Mustang vs. Charger to as broad as HP and weight limits only. Then the 5th race is a spec car again and so on.

 

[benda18]

Basically what we are doing for the first two races you just rotate what the restrictions are every other week.

First week was open to any car that met the restrictions and the second week we all use a spec car.

So for the 3rd week I like the idea of a low power race and if we choose that we all want to use spec Cappuccinos then the 4th race will have some sort of restriction that will allow use to have multiple manufactures. Could be anything like Evo vs. STi or Camaro vs. Mustang vs. Charger to as broad as HP and weight limits only. Then the 5th race is a spec car again and so on.

💡 i like it. it actually fits what i was thinking for the 4th race - italian makes at monza. sweet. keep the ideas coming.

 

[CAMikaze]

Put me down as a 'probable' for this one. At least it won't be a big budget buster with only a 100k Credit pricetag for the Viper ACR.

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

I like the rotating format; it'll keep things fresh and still competitive.

Count me in for the next outing, despite not being a big Laguna Seca fan. :up:

 

[Prophet]

Put me down as a 'probable' for this one. At least it won't be a big budget buster with only a 100k Credit pricetag for the Viper ACR.

The Viper is a fun car and should make the racing pretty exciting. I was surprised though that there isnt adjustable ride height are aero settings for this car seeing as how the real version has both those

 

[benda18]

I want to clarify something for everyone planning on participating in the Monday Laguna Seca / Viper ACR race. When you buy the Viper it's going to have something like 605 hp with zero miles. If you do a zero-mile oil change this is going to increase to something like 625 hp. It's also possible that after you drive it for a couple hundred miles the HP could increase even more. Since this is a "stock" race I'm sure that everyone wants to know what the stock HP is.

Well I don't have an exact figure right now. I personally won't have an opportunity to test myself until Monday at 6pm. I just want everyone to know that I'll set the HP restriction in such a way that anybody who has a stock engine will be able to race. Also, if you look at the rules and regs for the race in post #1 it says the same, so no worries.

Thanks go out to Prophet for taking time this week to figure out a tentative max hp figure, and for picking the car. I'm really looking forward to this race.

I hope this clears up any confusion.

 

[Prophet]

I believe if the max HP is set to 631 that should be high enough. I think the next step up is 641, I wonder if there is a good reason why PD didn't allow specific HP.

 

[Prophet]

Looks like HP cap will have to be set at 641. Did oil change when I bought the car and at around 100 miles it was at 628hp and at 133 miles it dropped to 627 so did another oil change and it is now at 632. Even though in the garage it says 631 but tuning screen says 632 I think PD might need to fix a rounding error somewhere....

 

[benda18]

Would someone else be willing to host the race Monday evening? I completely forgot Monday was Valentine's day

I'll still manage all the communications up until 4pm race day. All you need to do is accept some friends requests on PSN, set up the room as per our agreed regulations settings, then have fun.

TIA

 

[CAMikaze]

I would like to since I have had previous experiences in having a Private room set up for Online racing.

 

[Prophet]

Would someone else be willing to host the race Monday evening? I completely forgot Monday was Valentine's day

You mean you didnt get the girl a ps3 and gt5