Most Unrealistic car in GT4 ...

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JTSnooks
Hahahahaha. That's funny man. How can you handle such a wild car!? Oh, and I'm sorry you don't know how to drive in GT4 either, but just because you have no skills doesn't mean it's completely unrealistic.


Sorry buddy, why don't you go pop a zit and brag about how good you are at this game. As for me, I have a real life, so I'll go drive my REAL honda now, while you ride your bike to school.

There are two possibilities here.

1) I have a life and don't have the time to sit and race for 22 hours a day like you.

2) You are a geek who is proud that you can win a video game.

Either way, your attempt to talk smack didn't work, and I have to finish moving into my new HOUSE, while you on the other hand are living with your parents playing a GREAT game of GT4.

Enjoy,
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
 
F1Lover666
Sorry buddy, why don't you go pop a zit and brag about how good you are at this game. As for me, I have a real life, so I'll go drive my REAL honda now, while you ride your bike to school.

There are two possibilities here.

1) I have a life and don't have the time to sit and race for 22 hours a day like you.

2) You are a geek who is proud that you can win a video game.

Either way, your attempt to talk smack didn't work, and I have to finish moving into my new HOUSE, while you on the other hand are living with your parents playing a GREAT game of GT4.

Enjoy,
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Hehe, actually, I wasn't laughing at your abilities in GT4. What I said about that was more advice so you can get the full experience of the game...with ASM on all the cars do drive the same. What I was laughing at is what you are so proud of, and that is you "pimped" Honda Civic. How about the other possibility that I'm a 22 year old mechanical engineering senior at Georgia Tech who rarely gets the chance to play GT4 because of school, and has a '66 Pontiac Ventura (you wanna talk pimp, you wouldn't believe how many possible actual pimps have tried to buy my car) that will blow your doors off. "Pimp" and "Honda Civic" are two phrases that, when combined, have hilarious characteristics :D

To stay on topic, I'm not so sure if the Minolta is actually unrealistic. I don't know the history, but did it never win a race because it kept breaking? Generally a company will build a killer prototype racer that will have a huge lead halfway through the race and then something will break and put it out of the race. Since cars don't break in GT4, the overpowered fragile cars are better than the comparatively underpowered yet far more reliable cars such as the Audi R8.
 
JTSnooks
Hehe, actually, I wasn't laughing at your abilities in GT4. What I said about that was more advice so you can get the full experience of the game...with ASM on all the cars do drive the same. What I was laughing at is what you are so proud of, and that is you "pimped" Honda Civic. How about the other possibility that I'm a 22 year old mechanical engineering senior at Georgia Tech who rarely gets the chance to play GT4 because of school, and has a '66 Pontiac Ventura (you wanna talk pimp, you wouldn't believe how many possible actual pimps have tried to buy my car) that will blow your doors off. "Pimp" and "Honda Civic" are two phrases that, when combined, have hilarious characteristics :D

To stay on topic, I'm not so sure if the Minolta is actually unrealistic. I don't know the history, but did it never win a race because it kept breaking? Generally a company will build a killer prototype racer that will have a huge lead halfway through the race and then something will break and put it out of the race. Since cars don't break in GT4, the overpowered fragile cars are better than the comparatively underpowered yet far more reliable cars such as the Audi R8.


Ok, so to stay on topic, don't you agree that a great deal of the cars are un-realistic? I am certainly not bragging about my Honda, but it honestly does handle better than some of these cars.

My original post was regarding a Lotus that I won? or bought...can't remember, and it seriously spun out at about 35Mph around a simple corner, and that just wouldn't happen in real life.

As for the "black cars" I had the skills to win enough money to buy them, and was and not happy at their handling ability. Look at those cars, in real life they would rule the road, but in the game they won't turn a corner.

Honestly, the best handling car I have is an Acura that was my first car in the game, and it isn't the fastest, but it handles great. Also, an Acura is an expensive Honda!

I am just B-Specking my way now to get the F-1 car....(don't know where it is) and hope that it handles like the F-1 cars in GT3, then it's A-Spec all the way. :grumpy:

Take it easy. Online fights are dumb, so let's just talk cars.

Later.
 
F1Lover666 and JTSnooks - just a hint but stick to the topic. Personal attacks are looked on very dimly at GTP.
 
Awesome. I really don't find the cars in the game to be very unrealistic. I think if they had an actual cockpit view you'd find that they would seem a lot more realistic. From my experience, GT4 does a pretty good job of simulating most cars. One that is unrealistic is the Ford GT, as its performance is way overdone, probably because Kaz shelled out the bucks to buy one. The lotus was probably a Europa, as it tends to oversteer very easily at low speeds, but I'm not so sure this is unrealistic either given the age of the car and its rearward-biased weight distribution. Also, it's a lot easier to get a real car to handle compared to the game's cars because it's easier to modulate the steering and gas and brakes.
To give you a little help, the reason the black cars don't handle for you is probably because you didn't buy the rigidity refresher plan on them. Since they're high-mileage, they need that to handle worth anything at all. Take them to their respective tune shops and have it installed and they should shape right up. As for the F1 car, you get it from either the Nurburgring 24 hour race or for having 100% completion.
 
The most unrealistic car in GT4 is the Nike One, I don't know the most unrealistically handling car as I haven't driven over 99% of them. And yes you can spin a Lotus at 45Mph in real life. You can spin a Fiesta at 45Mph in real life, it all depends on weight distribution and traction.
 
JTSnooks
Awesome. I really don't find the cars in the game to be very unrealistic. I think if they had an actual cockpit view you'd find that they would seem a lot more realistic. From my experience, GT4 does a pretty good job of simulating most cars. One that is unrealistic is the Ford GT, as its performance is way overdone, probably because Kaz shelled out the bucks to buy one. The lotus was probably a Europa, as it tends to oversteer very easily at low speeds, but I'm not so sure this is unrealistic either given the age of the car and its rearward-biased weight distribution. Also, it's a lot easier to get a real car to handle compared to the game's cars because it's easier to modulate the steering and gas and brakes.
To give you a little help, the reason the black cars don't handle for you is probably because you didn't buy the rigidity refresher plan on them. Since they're high-mileage, they need that to handle worth anything at all. Take them to their respective tune shops and have it installed and they should shape right up. As for the F1 car, you get it from either the Nurburgring 24 hour race or for having 100% completion.

Cool. I forgot the black cars are very used, so I will try your suggestion. Do you have the F-1, and if so, does it handle like the one(s) in GT3???

I can't believe they make it so hard to get the F-1, unless it really does kick #$%$

:) :) :) :)
 
F1Lover666
Ok, so to stay on topic, don't you agree that a great deal of the cars are un-realistic? I am certainly not bragging about my Honda, but it honestly does handle better than some of these cars.

My original post was regarding a Lotus that I won? or bought...can't remember, and it seriously spun out at about 35Mph around a simple corner, and that just wouldn't happen in real life.

As for the "black cars" I had the skills to win enough money to buy them, and was and not happy at their handling ability. Look at those cars, in real life they would rule the road, but in the game they won't turn a corner.

Honestly, the best handling car I have is an Acura that was my first car in the game, and it isn't the fastest, but it handles great. Also, an Acura is an expensive Honda!
A stock Honda Civic ran during one of the fun runs at a Corvette only autocross competition. It was his first time trying autocross, and he actually beat most of the novice corvette times.

They asked him, "Geez, how late were your braking points?"

To which he replied, "Braking points?"

On the tight course, the Honda didn't have sufficient horsepower to reach speeds where it would need to brake. The guy ran the entire course flat out.

Does this mean a stock Civic can turn harder than a corvette? No. In fact, it can't. The difference here is relative handling versus horsepower. The Civic handles phenominally well compared to the amount of horsepower it has (ie. it is underpowered). Whereas Corvettes have more horsepower than handling (ie. they're overpowered).

Novice drivers often have difficulty holding back on the throttle and braking enough. They enter turns way too hot. Under that circumstance, they will be much faster in the Honda and will likely feel that the Honda handles much better. What's really going on is the Honda is easier to keep under control because it just doesn't have the horsepower to get itself into trouble.

This type of effect is exactly what you're describing in your post. The Lotus Elise handles way better than your Honda... it's way lighter _and_ it's a sports car. But... it has horsepower and is capable of getting itself into trouble, even at low speeds. It's also not balanced for heavy understeer like an average street car, so it takes more skill and restraint to drive because of that as well.

And the black cars? They turn in excess of 2g. But they have phenominal horsepower, too. It takes considerable restraint on the gas pedal to drive these cars when they're not 'on the wing' at low speeds.

Essentually, all the cars you say handle the best are the ones that are simply the easiest to drive well. They have relatively the highest handling for the level of horsepower they have. And that means you need to develop your driving techniques. If you tried driving a high horsepower car in RL, you'd likely crash there, too.

And it doesn't help that you can't feel the G forces you're actually pulling while you play the game. That'd help you to understand how fast you're really going.

There's a lot of people on these forums who have rather unrealistic ideas of how cars behave in RL. Often built up from things they've heard from rather biased sources. And then they think GT4 is totally unrealistic because it doesn't model cars behaving that way.

For most people. GT has a much more accurate model of the real world than their own notions, in spite of its imperfections. Sad, but true.

- Skant
 
Skant
A stock Honda Civic ran during one of the fun runs at a Corvette only autocross competition. It was his first time trying autocross, and he actually beat most of the novice corvette times.

They asked him, "Geez, how late were your braking points?"

To which he replied, "Braking points?"

On the tight course, the Honda didn't have sufficient horsepower to reach speeds where it would need to brake. The guy ran the entire course flat out.

Does this mean a stock Civic can turn harder than a corvette? No. In fact, it can't. The difference here is relative handling versus horsepower. The Civic handles phenominally well compared to the amount of horsepower it has (ie. it is underpowered). Whereas Corvettes have more horsepower than handling (ie. they're overpowered).

Novice drivers often have difficulty holding back on the throttle and braking enough. They enter turns way too hot. Under that circumstance, they will be much faster in the Honda and will likely feel that the Honda handles much better. What's really going on is the Honda is easier to keep under control because it just doesn't have the horsepower to get itself into trouble.

This type of effect is exactly what you're describing in your post. The Lotus Elise handles way better than your Honda... it's way lighter _and_ it's a sports car. But... it has horsepower and is capable of getting itself into trouble, even at low speeds. It's also not balanced for heavy understeer like an average street car, so it takes more skill and restraint to drive because of that as well.

And the black cars? They turn in excess of 2g. But they have phenominal horsepower, too. It takes considerable restraint on the gas pedal to drive these cars when they're not 'on the wing' at low speeds.

Essentually, all the cars you say handle the best are the ones that are simply the easiest to drive well. They have relatively the highest handling for the level of horsepower they have. And that means you need to develop your driving techniques. If you tried driving a high horsepower car in RL, you'd likely crash there, too.

And it doesn't help that you can't feel the G forces you're actually pulling while you play the game. That'd help you to understand how fast you're really going.

There's a lot of people on these forums who have rather unrealistic ideas of how cars behave in RL. Often built up from things they've heard from rather biased sources. And then they think GT4 is totally unrealistic because it doesn't model cars behaving that way.

For most people. GT has a much more accurate model of the real world than their own notions, in spite of its imperfections. Sad, but true.

- Skant



Thanks Skant!

It all makes more sense now. Basically, we get these 800+ HP cars in the game and go full throttle, because in real life, wouldn't that be fun 👍

So what I get from your post is: Chill out on the gas, and the car will handle better...i.e, don't try to break 200 feet before a tough corner going 212Mph in a black race car.

Seems simple enough, I think I'll get back to A-Spec and see if I can keep these killer cars on the road, while trying not to make a hairpin corner at 200Mph.

Thanks for the info :)

W-
 
F1Lover666
As for the "black cars" I had the skills to win enough money to buy them, and was and not happy at their handling ability. Look at those cars, in real life they would rule the road, but in the game they won't turn a corner.
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Black cars are fantastic. Particulary the GT-ONE and 787B. The 390? Yeah... it's a land yacht.

Suggestion: go the dealer and see if the "Refresher Plan" (in the same place as the Weight Reductions) is checked. If not, BUY IT!

The may be your problem.
 
Yeah, the F1 car completely dominates any other car in the game except in top speed. It tops out around 225, while most of the LM cars can hit 240 pretty easy. But in handling, nothing can even come close. I don't really remember how it drove in GT3, but I think it's similar. Have you gotten all your licenses yet? If not, I'd definitely recommend going for them, because they're the best way to learn the game's physics and stuff. Practice is good too, but you learn a whole lot about how the game works from the licenses. And the faster the car, the harder it is to drive well. Braking and turning points come up a LOT faster at 200mph than 80mph. The game's a lot more fun if you learn the basics of it :)
 
Ok well I'm a big Ol Supra fan and hope to own one one day. Now that im in HS it's impossible for anyone to get one unless ur parents have deep pockets. But anyways the Stock JZ Supra hit an ok time which i ran in the 1/4 mile and ran an 14.0. After putting every part in it w/ nitrous the Supra hits an 10.7 with 880HP keep in mind i was on R5 tires. In real life iv seen Supras run so much faster than that(street legal) i would say at least high 9's. It just pisses me off how it performes in GT4 and in GT3 I'd expect it to run low 9's maybe even an 8 and have the ability to get over 1000hp in which it doesn't. I guess the Japanese who made GT4 don't like the Supra no more 👎 👎 . Their JGTC Supras are just awesome no doubtabout it. Go Woodone Supra!!

Yet it's the lauch off the line where it has the most trouble. One thing I've noticed about the game and in real life is that Supras take off slow off the line. But there top end is a beast it catches up to anything especially if its a modified Supra i dont care if it's again a supercharge viper or whatever. That's y whenever u download races of Supras racing, it's usually on the roll and the Supra always wins. I just love it. Seen some lose but thats because the Supra is stock running againts an all modified car.
Anyone here noticed? Ohh yeah huh...no wonder.... :crazy: :crazy:
 
Supren
Ok well I'm a big Ol Supra fan and hope to own one one day. Now that im in HS it's impossible for anyone to get one unless ur parents have deep pockets.

Or you could get any non-MkIV for $7K or less (much less), hmm?
 
Emohawk
Or you could get any non-MkIV for $7K or less (much less), hmm?

I wish i could but im still in HS and my parents don't have deep pockets...yet i would wish to have a the non-turbo supra...it be awesome just to drive one :)

You thinking monthly payments...haha i wish and people will not sell a supra to you in such way...i kno cuz its either take it or leave it.
 
Sounds like you're trying to buy one privately.

Why not try a Main Dealer? I'm not sure about over there, but here in Britain we have a scheme where the dealer will sell a used car, usually low mileage 1 owner cars with a full service history, and a warranty.

The down side is you'd have to pay top dollar for it.

The plus side is they will let you pay monthly for it.
 
TVRKing
Sounds like you're trying to buy one privately.

Why not try a Main Dealer? I'm not sure about over there, but here in Britain we have a scheme where the dealer will sell a used car, usually low mileage 1 owner cars with a full service history, and a warranty.

The down side is you'd have to pay top dollar for it.

The plus side is they will let you pay monthly for it.

Over here where i live is about 700,000 people and there is only about 8-10 supras that i kno of or seen and few who talk about. You'll see more vettes and vipers here than supras. I don't kno how but it just is and i would love to be one of those 8-10 supra owners. Also where i live, everyone owns a Mustang 5.0, i don't kno why but when i go to our local drags here that is all you see. I think because it is the cheapest and fastest car you can easily find.
 
Sadly, yes, all you will see are 5.0 Mustangs. They are dirt cheap and ridiculously easy to go fast in.

I say the Cuda is uber-unrealistic. The thing feels like it was driven hard and put down wet, or something is blocking the intake tract. A 440 in the Charger is (by stock comparisons) is the fastest of the lot. The Cuda weighs less than the Charger and is yet one of the slowest musclecars of the set. Here is proof.



0-60


1. Charger R/T
4.650


8. Plymouth Baracuda
5.517




Quarter Mile


1. Charger R/T
13.218 @ 109



10. Plyouth Baracuda
14.060 @ 104


If you guys want any more results, here is the entire thread starting the Musclecar events on page 5. The Ultimate Muscle Car Challenge.
 
Supren
Ok well I'm a big Ol Supra fan and hope to own one one day. Now that im in HS it's impossible for anyone to get one unless ur parents have deep pockets. But anyways the Stock JZ Supra hit an ok time which i ran in the 1/4 mile and ran an 14.0. After putting every part in it w/ nitrous the Supra hits an 10.7 with 880HP keep in mind i was on R5 tires. In real life iv seen Supras run so much faster than that(street legal) i would say at least high 9's. It just pisses me off how it performes in GT4 and in GT3 I'd expect it to run low 9's maybe even an 8 and have the ability to get over 1000hp in which it doesn't. I guess the Japanese who made GT4 don't like the Supra no more 👎 👎 .
GT is not a drag race simulator. It doesn't simulate traction at very low speeds very well, but it's fine at higher speeds. This is not a problem for road racing because you're always up in the higher speeds. But it kills the accuracy of drags because it prevents the cars from getting off the line as fast as they really would.

Plus there's no clutch, etc etc.

The numbers it gets are pretty accurate for these cars if you take into account a weak launch. (And remember that the effect of the launch is _HUGE_ on ETs)

I wish i could but im still in HS and my parents don't have deep pockets...yet i would wish to have a the non-turbo supra...it be awesome just to drive one

You thinking monthly payments...haha i wish and people will not sell a supra to you in such way...i kno cuz its either take it or leave it.
Heh. Well it gives you something to work up to. And that's maybe not such a bad thing cuz you could really kill yourself in one of those cars. They're very fast. Plus, everyone usually messes up their first cars when their in HS... either by an accident or by messing around with modifying them (and doing it badly). And getting a nice Supra and &%*#ing it up would be a crying shame.

You might think about getting a cheaper 'inbetween' fast car you can cut your teeth on first. Something that's cheap that you can mess with or mess up, and it wouldn't be a big loss, and you can learn about all this stuff... so that when you get to the Supra, you'll be better able to handle it and take care of it. Cuz a nice car like that deserves your TLC. :) (...inbetween sessions of ripping up the track, of course)

Jumping from a normal car into a really fast sports car like that really is a shock. A fun one to be sure. But you can get yourself into trouble in a hurry. The second day I owned my corvette, I _ACCIDENTALLY_ darted up to 103mph. I was even aware that the car was awefully fast, and I might accidentally go a lot faster than I intended... and I was purposefully trying to drive slow. But didn't look at the gauge for a couple of seconds and... ooops... suddenly going over 100mph... how'd that happen?

Over here where i live is about 700,000 people and there is only about 8-10 supras that i kno of or seen and few who talk about. You'll see more vettes and vipers here than supras. I don't kno how but it just is and i would love to be one of those 8-10 supra owners. Also where i live, everyone owns a Mustang 5.0, i don't kno why but when i go to our local drags here that is all you see. I think because it is the cheapest and fastest car you can easily find.
I don't think Supras were ever really all that popular in the US, so there aren't a whole of them around. They were nice cars, but maybe too expensive for what you got.

And yeah... Mustangs are the most numerous at any drag strip I've seen. They have the cheapest performance bang for buck. And honestly... if I was concentrating on drags rather than twisties, I'd probably be running a Mustang rather than a Corvette. The stock Mustangs are a good bit slower... but they have solid axles (bad for turning, but better for drags than independent suspension), a huge number of available mod kits, and they're much cheaper to make made crazy fast in a straight line. You'd have to spend a huge chunk of money on the supra (or a corvette for that matter) to make it faster on the drags than a well modified 'stang.

I hope you plan to do more with your eventual Supra than just drags. :) Those cars handle well and deserve to tackle events where they get to use that ability.

Anyway... yeah. My recommendation is to get something cheaper to begin with and just get out to the events and race. You'll learn a lot. And by the time you're able to work up to one of those Supras, you'll know the ins and outs of how to take care of it, where to race it, etc etc.

You know.. one of those cheapo five point slow mustangs may be a good place to start.

- Skant
 
Skant
GT is not a drag race simulator. It doesn't simulate traction at very low speeds very well, but it's fine at higher speeds. This is not a problem for road racing because you're always up in the higher speeds. But it kills the accuracy of drags because it prevents the cars from getting off the line as fast as they really would.

Plus there's no clutch, etc etc.

The numbers it gets are pretty accurate for these cars if you take into account a weak launch. (And remember that the effect of the launch is _HUGE_ on ETs)

Heh. Well it gives you something to work up to. And that's maybe not such a bad thing cuz you could really kill yourself in one of those cars. They're very fast. Plus, everyone usually messes up their first cars when their in HS... either by an accident or by messing around with modifying them (and doing it badly). And getting a nice Supra and &%*#ing it up would be a crying shame.

You might think about getting a cheaper 'inbetween' fast car you can cut your teeth on first. Something that's cheap that you can mess with or mess up, and it wouldn't be a big loss, and you can learn about all this stuff... so that when you get to the Supra, you'll be better able to handle it and take care of it. Cuz a nice car like that deserves your TLC. :) (...inbetween sessions of ripping up the track, of course)

Jumping from a normal car into a really fast sports car like that really is a shock. A fun one to be sure. But you can get yourself into trouble in a hurry. The second day I owned my corvette, I _ACCIDENTALLY_ darted up to 103mph. I was even aware that the car was awefully fast, and I might accidentally go a lot faster than I intended... and I was purposefully trying to drive slow. But didn't look at the gauge for a couple of seconds and... ooops... suddenly going over 100mph... how'd that happen?

I don't think Supras were ever really all that popular in the US, so there aren't a whole of them around. They were nice cars, but maybe too expensive for what you got.

And yeah... Mustangs are the most numerous at any drag strip I've seen. They have the cheapest performance bang for buck. And honestly... if I was concentrating on drags rather than twisties, I'd probably be running a Mustang rather than a Corvette. The stock Mustangs are a good bit slower... but they have solid axles (bad for turning, but better for drags than independent suspension), a huge number of available mod kits, and they're much cheaper to make made crazy fast in a straight line. You'd have to spend a huge chunk of money on the supra (or a corvette for that matter) to make it faster on the drags than a well modified 'stang.

I hope you plan to do more with your eventual Supra than just drags. :) Those cars handle well and deserve to tackle events where they get to use that ability.

Anyway... yeah. My recommendation is to get something cheaper to begin with and just get out to the events and race. You'll learn a lot. And by the time you're able to work up to one of those Supras, you'll know the ins and outs of how to take care of it, where to race it, etc etc.

You know.. one of those cheapo five point slow mustangs may be a good place to start.

- Skant


I'll be keeping that in mind there Skant, thanks alot for the advice. I kno there is no way i can get one now. I understand im very young and i will admit that i will most likly get into some trouble... For some reason you remind me of my brother. He is a car sales man at Honda and i ask him about fast cars. He told me to wait later and start with something regular so i get a better feel of it. I really dont mind of what i drive now...and whatever it is it will make me happy cuz i can at least get to places. I feel no rush into getting a Supra yet i still would wish to have one. Everyone one has their dreams at a young age. Once again thks for the advice!! :)
 
Jetboys427
Sadly, yes, all you will see are 5.0 Mustangs. They are dirt cheap and ridiculously easy to go fast in.

Haha, he ain't kiddin'. There must be five or six, maybe seven 5.0's in the senior lot at my HS every day, and it only fits about eighty to ninety cars.
 
On another note, I made a startling discovery in regards to something unrealistic or actually unfair in the game. PD is baised towards Japanese cars and Nissans in particuliar. Although most of the Japanese cars handle and run like they should.

First the graphics details. Take any European car such as a Mercedes or BMW and take a close up shot of the car in the front view or rear. You will notice jagged lines and details missing like 2 dimensional wheels and pixelised grilles.

On the other hand, take a close up look at any Skyline GT-R, you will see fantastic detail. I am dissapointed that the Hondas are not as detailed in GT4. But at least the wheels are proper 3 dimensional.

Another thing is that I feel that PD did not spend enough time collating handling and engine information on European or American cars. Most of the Mercedes handle like **** and they do not in real life. My best friend's dad is the MD of Daimler Chrysler Asia Pacific and that means we got to test a lot of AMG models on the track and the road. We know that Mercedes can handle a lot better than in the game.

But for the Japanese cars that I can relate to like most Hondas, Nissans and Toyotas, PD has got it spot on. Sigh, it almost looks like there is a serect Japanese agenda to make Japanese cars look better in the game. Crap!!

On the other hand, I understand the sheer developmental cost and painof producing the 700+ cars to be all realistic in the game. Many models are making a debut in GT4 and i know for a fact that the European models are hard to come by in Japan and they will not be on loan for long. So therefore to an extent I can forgive PD for this alarming discrepency compared to collecting data on Japanese cars which are abundantly available and have been in existance since GT1.
 
TsLeng
No engine braking... 👎

Hope they include it next time around.


Im not sure if this is just me but my car does seen to brake alot quicker when you chage down rapidly while braking in manual as opposed to when he car is in auto
 
DuranDuran1984
Couple things: Show me a 900 hp GNX. The best I've found is about 650. Also, in comparing dragstrip times (M3), you have to know the difference in elevation, as this makes a big difference it elapsed times.

Sorry i'm late but... I've seen a video of a Twin Turbo GNX at 1100 HP. I'm gonna find it and show you, its on the dyno.

[EDIT]

Here you go: http://www.trcperformance.com/OtherVideos/OtherVideos/turbo-gn.wmv

YOU JUST GOT OWNED !

lolllll
 
all the evos and supras have the same horsepowers (276bhp) i think but

the supra should have about 330bhp in GT4 and
the skyline GT-R has about 400bhp in real life am i right ?

and what about the evo 6 7 and 8 don´t they have different horsepowers :indiff:
 
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