MotoGP 2011 (125, Moto2, and MotoGP)

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Rossi did not take out Stoner in Jerez. He passed him on the brakes and then lost the front and went down. Stoner ran into him because he had nowhere to go. It is NOTHING like the Simoncelli/Pedrosa incident.

Call it what you want to call it. Fact is, Stoner's race was ended because of Rossi's ambitious move.

And I never said the incidents were anything alike. They weren't... Most two incidents wont be the same. But that doesn't excuse the stewards for being inconsistent with their rulings.
 
But that doesn't excuse the stewards for being inconsistent with their rulings.

Well said, if they thought Pedrosa was ahead going into the corner then so was Dovi 3 seconds later and Rossi should have been penalised for overtaking under a yellow flag.
 
Although I still think Simoncelli should not have been penalised for the accident with Pedrosa here is Rossi's opinion on the matter

MCN
Le Mans MotoGP: Valentino Rossi blames Simoncelli

Valentino Rossi conceded that Marco Simoncelli’s overtake during the French MotoGP race that left Dani Pedrosa with a broken left collarbone was too aggressive.

Rossi has been a staunch supporter of his close pal in recent weeks as Simoncelli has come under attack for his hard riding tactics.

But nine-times world champion said he had watched TV replays of the incident on lap 18 of yesterday’s French Grand Prix when Simoncelli and Pedrosa tangled entering the second chicane.

Factory Ducati rider Rossi, who scored his first podium for the Bologna factory in a dramatic 28-lap race, said: “I saw the problem between Marco and Dani just one time on TV, but for me I think this time Simoncelli was too hard.

"He didn't leave any space for Dani. So he comes from the outside and maybe he was braking harder, but maybe a bit too aggressive because Dani didn't have any room to do anything.

"I think it's also a mistake because I think Simoncelli in that part of the race was stronger, so if he doesn't overtake Dani at that braking point he can overtake him on the next lap.”

For more reaction to the Simoncelli/Pedrosa incident, see the May 18 issue of MCN.

Also Video on Stoner on the new 1000cc Honda
 
I have to agree with what Rossi said 💡

Marco was a bit too agressive to take the position back over Dani ...

Dani was obviously struggling with pace at that moment,and therefore Marco should have known there would be a much easyer place to overtake him in the next few corners of that very lap...

But this is motorracing at its best,with the fastest bikes/riders in the world ,and with the most pressure comming from the sponsers teams etc etc...

These are 2 riders who where fighting at the limit with one of them going just over that limit,

THATS WHATS RACING IS ALL ABOUT...!!!!

It whas just a racing incident ,very unlucky for Dani,but these things happen when braking for a corner from 200mp/h....

Therefore they should have NEVER EVER given Marco a drive thru!!! that was just rediculas,if they do this more often nobody will take any risks anymore being to affraid of being penalised....

Motorracing should be motorracing with riders at the limit all the time!!

If some rider intentionally rams off others ,ofcourse there will be penaltys,but this was not the case here at all....!!!!!!!!!!!


So,i feel better now having said this... :):):)


Great drive by Rossi,he's back!!!(allmost...:dopey:)





spy.
 
Don't mention the NW200; half of my family are going to Belfast this weekend (admittedly only 3 of them will be watching the racing) and I'm stuck at home "revising" even though I haven't got an exam until 13th June
 
Sic is a good guy, I'd love to see him racing at the NW 200 one day. :)



Live streaming on the BBC tomorrow:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/bikes/default.stm

I just hope it's viewable outside UK as well, the last couple of years it was.



I am based in Italy, but I use a VPN to watch British TV online. Its very cheap and reliable. Not sure if I am allowed to post in the forum so if you are interested I can PM you or email you.
 
I am based in Italy, but I use a VPN to watch British TV online. Its very cheap and reliable. Not sure if I am allowed to post in the forum so if you are interested I can PM you or email you.

Thank you, but I watched as much as I could live today, this year the streaming was very smooth but the NW200 was a disaster: the rain had everyone worried but the first race - the Supersports 600 - went fine. Then there was another delay due to a "security alert" (bomb in the paddock - they didn't find it... LMAO), in the end after 1 lap of the first Superbikes race there was the final red flag because of a huuuge and looong oil spill - they couldn't clean it enough and that was it: 2011 NW200 over. Nothing planned for tomorrow, who knows why, very disappointing though. :(

Well next I'm looking for a way to watch the Indy 500 on the 29th. :lol:
 
Thank you, but I watched as much as I could live today, this year the streaming was very smooth but the NW200 was a disaster: the rain had everyone worried but the first race - the Supersports 600 - went fine. Then there was another delay due to a "security alert" (bomb in the paddock - they didn't find it... LMAO), in the end after 1 lap of the first Superbikes race there was the final red flag because of a huuuge and looong oil spill - they couldn't clean it enough and that was it: 2011 NW200 over. Nothing planned for tomorrow, who knows why, very disappointing though. :(

Well next I'm looking for a way to watch the Indy 500 on the 29th. :lol:


If American TV stream the Indy 500 online, then I can also see it as well, as my VPN has american servers as well as english.
 
Any word on how much time Pedrosa will miss? I'm starting to think he will be the Grant Hill of MotoGP. Great talent, but will persistent injuries (and sometimes just bad luck) rob him of his true potential?
 
MotoGP.com just said Simoncelli is going to be called in to talk to Race Direction before the race...

Seriously, I'm getting a bit tired of people trying to "control" agressive racers. It happened as well in F1 this weekend in Monaco. It's racing.

This is going to ruin the show... I'm gonna stick to watching American racing. At least there the show is guaranteed and drivers sort their own issues. On the track.
 
MotoGP.com just said Simoncelli is going to be called in to talk to Race Direction before the race...

Seriously, I'm getting a bit tired of people trying to "control" agressive racers. It happened as well in F1 this weekend in Monaco. It's racing.

This is going to ruin the show... I'm gonna stick to watching American racing. At least there the show is guaranteed and drivers sort their own issues. On the track.

I think it's more of an anti-Hamilton thing here on the forums. I think most people, myself included, thought Pedrosa's fall at Le Mans was a racing incident. At the end of the day, it's six in one hand, half a dozen in the other--if you like the driver allegedly at fault, it's a "racing incident"; if you hate him, then it was a "reckless manuever."
 
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Well I like Stoner, Rossi, Sic, Spies and more... What I dislike is this "discrete" protection. Which I would dislike equally if it was in any other way.

Last night I watched the Indy 500 and the NASCAR 600, and I'm currently watching truck racing in MotorsTv. No special treatments here! Risks are taken (attack or defend), and consequences accepted.
 
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I think it's more of an anti-Hamilton thing here on the forums. I think most people, myself included, thought Pedrosa's fall at Magny Cours was a racing incident. At the end of the day, it's six in one hand, half a dozen in the other--if you like the driver allegedly at fault, it's a "racing incident"; if you hate him, then it was a "reckless manuever."

magny cours?
 
I don't like the way that article implies that Pedrosa's injuries last season "gifted" Lorenzo the title. Pedrosa had only a slim chance of winning the title due to the supreme way Lorenzo dominated the season. His slim chances were eliminated when he crashed but that shouldn't take anything away from Lorenzo.
 
The bbc don't really know what they're talking about, in every sport for that matter, I just saw the article and posted it.
 
He's only good doing the odd lonely run in the front with a superior bike. Since one tends to get bored with that, I like a good interesting disputed race, I don't think I'll miss him... :P

Well, to be fair, he did shadow Lorenzo for most of the race in Estoril before riding off into the sunset.

Edit: Here are FP1 times for Catalunya:

Pos Rider Team/Bike Time Gap
1. Casey Stoner Honda 1m42.940s
2. Marco Simoncelli Gresini Honda 1m43.468s + 0.528s
3. Andrea Dovizioso Honda 1m43.603s + 0.663s
4. Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha 1m43.810s + 0.870s
5. Ben Spies Yamaha 1m44.859s + 1.919s
6. Valentino Rossi Ducati 1m44.944s + 2.004s
7. Cal Crutchlow Tech 3 Yamaha 1m45.136s + 2.196s
8. Hiroshi Aoyama Gresini Honda 1m45.666s + 2.726s
9. Nicky Hayden Ducati 1m45.715s + 2.775s
10. Alvaro Bautista Suzuki 1m45.751s + 2.811s
11. Toni Elias LCR Honda 1m45.760s + 2.820s
12. Randy de Puniet Pramac Ducati 1m46.126s + 3.186s
13. Karel Abraham Cardion Ducati 1m46.280s + 3.340s
14. Loris Capirossi Pramac Ducati 1m46.366s + 3.426s
15. Hector Barbera Aspar Ducati 1m46.501s + 3.561s
16. Colin Edwards Tech 3 Yamaha 1m51.512s + 8.572s

And when can we start talking about Spies' lack of pace all season?
 
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Well, to be fair, he did shadow Lorenzo for most of the race in Estoril before riding off into the sunset.

True. There are some exceptions.

Super Sic on the pole... On a "private" bike!

Spies showing "some" pace, in 4th in the official Yamaha. Behind Lorenzo (3rd) and Stoner (2nd).
 
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If it were someone else, I'd say he was making a statement, going for it 101%. Since it was Sic, I think he actually did that by being a tad more careful than usual and not crashing in his fastest lap.

But he almost crashed in the next and last lap... Just to keep it consistent :P

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Today on 125: "Terol given the win at Catalunya"

Couldn't agree more...
 
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Wow did anyone watch the Moto2 race? Couple of big falls and Simon(sp?) fractures both his tibia and fibula, and then walks away.
 
If it were someone else, I'd say he was making a statement, going for it 101%. Since it was Sic, I think he actually did that by being a tad more careful than usual and not crashing in his fastest lap.

But he almost crashed in the next and last lap... Just to keep it consistent :P

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Today on 125: "Terol given the win at Catalunya"

Couldn't agree more...

I didn't see anything wrong with the penalty. He was pushed out onto the run off.
 
I didn't see anything wrong with the penalty. He was pushed out onto the run off.

I saw Terol go as wide as possible on his own, then getting blocked from returning to black stuff. No pushing, no contact. No penalty IMO

Didn't see moto2 (yet). Watching Tennis now :)

MotoGP was: good start from Stoner, excellent one from the Yamahas and Rossi, terrible from Simoncelli.

Then it was a bit boring...

Spies showing/confirming some pace, finishing right after Lorenzo.

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After reviewing the video below... Terol may have been forced to go wider during the corner. Then some mean blocking. Zarco clearly prepares for impact (see it form behind) to prevent Terol from coming back into the track.



Still say it's racing. Stop with the "protection" penalties. The last 6 penalties I recall (1 in WTCC, 1 MotoGP, 1 125 and 3 in F1) only the second Hamilton incident at Monaco and today's WTCC Dahlgren penalties were deserved for recklessness IMO.
 
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I saw Terol go as wide as possible on his own, then getting blocked from returning to black stuff. No pushing, no contact. No penalty IMO

Didn't see moto2 (yet). Watching Tennis now :)

MotoGP was: good start from Stoner, excellent one from the Yamahas and Rossi, terrible from Simoncelli.

Then it was a bit boring...

Spies showing/confirming some pace, finishing right after Lorenzo.

Stoner didn't gap Lorenzo as much as I might've expected, so perhaps Yamaha is making some strides--or Stoner was managing his tires to some extent. It was also great to see Spies on the podium. :D This has to be a big disappointment for Simoncelli but that bad start just wrecked his chances.
 
That new front fork seamed to do the job for Spies. He gambled on it without having tested it. You could see the relief in his face at the end.

I wonder if and how long Lorenzo had that and other parts, it could explain the differences in performance between them. It's not like Yamaha is "forced" to give them both equal hardware as they did with Rossi/Lorenzo. Very odd to see such a brilliant and fast rider as Spies so off the pace until now.
 
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