Motorcycles in GT5?

[eran0004]

No, no bikes in GT5 please. PD should concentrate on couple of more DLCs like a classic track pack(all the previous original GT tracks like Seattle, Apricot hill, etc.)and some recent 2010/11/12 production and racing cars. After that they should start fully working on GT6, I don't care if it's released on PS3 or PS4, but they have to make it absolutely EPIC.

Agree, no bikes in GT5. The last thing they need now is to add a new totally different kind of gameplay which is gonna be full of glitches and bugs, it's better if they focus on making the stuff already in the game better.

 

[Stradivis]

Leave bikes for TT2. I don't really see the point of mixing cars and bikes, unless it's in an arcade game. Each to it's own.

 

[Grayfox]

No to Tourist Trophy 2.

That means less people working on GT5 or 6.

 

[spunwicked]

On a serious note, if bikes are going to be included are motocross and trials going to represented just like rally is in GT5?

 

[Tired Tyres]

No to bikes in GT and personally no to TT2 as well. PD should concentrate only on GT. Anything else is a waste of resources.

With limited resources any form of diversification means less time and effort on each individual element making the whole weaker.

If you want a car game, buy a car game that concentrates on cars.

If you want a bike game, buy a bike game that concentrates on bikes.

 

[Grayfox]

On a serious note, if bikes are going to be included are motocross and trials going to represented just like rally is in GT5?

I think their was a dirt mode in TT.

If i want a bike game i will play Road Rash 3D.

 

[Griffith500]

On a serious note, if bikes are going to be included are motocross and trials going to represented just like rally is in GT5?

I'm a massive fan of trials, and there are very few games that cover it. The last one I remember (aside from the 2D-based Trials flash Java game and its fun / silly spiritual successor Trials 2) was MotoRacer 3, and that was lacking a touch, but still fun and retained the thoughtful / technical nature of trials, if not necessarily the physical accuracy.
Both trials and motocross would ideally need bespoke circuits / locations, though, which may be problematic.

No to bikes in GT and personally no to TT2 as well. PD should concentrate only on GT. Anything else is a waste of resources.

With limited resources any form of diversification means less time and effort on each individual element making the whole weaker.

If you want a car game, buy a car game that concentrates on cars.

If you want a bike game, buy a bike game that concentrates on bikes.

But if PD aren't to be "allowed" to make a TT2, there won't be a decent bike game to buy. There's a real dearth of quality motorbike-related sim / racing games these days; I have no idea why. Even then, the idea of GT's game style in motorbike form hasn't been touched by many either.

Besides, isn't it perfectly possible that PD could take on more staff to be able to work on both projects simultaneously? Not to mention, variety is the spice of life, and it could well be a boon to the devs themselves to be able to work on something different for once. It's often happened that something positive has come out of a smaller side-project (like TT, Portal, etc.) that has blossomed into something of note and importance itself. I actually think that a TT-style add-on for GT5 would be a big seller for PD, and therefore totally worth the extra effort. Who knows, you may even enjoy it yourself!

By the way, we're not expecting (well, I'm not...) PD to throw this together in time for Christmas or something, I expect to have to wait for it, so hopefully you all can have your own cake to eat whilst I wait for mine.

I think their was a dirt mode in TT.

If i want a bike game i will play Road Rash 3D.

There weren't any "dirt" circuits in TT, so no, there wasn't a dirt mode.
And Road Rash 3D is an abomination, a slur on the good name of Road Rash. 👎

 

[Maxymilan]

Maybe in the future this will be in DLC.
There is a game called "Tourist Trophy"
It's built on the GT4 engine.
It's just GT4 but without la Sarthe and around 500 different bikes.
Dirt, classic, race & road bikes.

 

[Maxymilan]

Oops, sorry.
Didn't saw the previous posts.

 

[Watt2159]

I don't see a problem in this, think of the positives!
-More variety in races
-More challenges for A-Spec, and B-Spec
-Possibility of obtaining the SSBK license which will open the chance for more special events with professional SSBK riders, and more tracks that SSBK riders race on like Monza

And it doesn't really go against GT, at least I don't see how it does.

 

[Akmuq]

No, bikes in a car game isn't a good thing, it will arcade-ize the game more, and wreck online lobbies since bikes have different racing lines than cars. However, Tourist Trophy 2 would be awesome.

 

[analog]

Why does mixing cars and bikes in a game suddenly turn it into an arcade game?
Because some arcade games do it? That's not a convincing argument.
Any real life trackday at the Nürburgring has both bikes and cars (and the occasional bus) sharing the same track and they still all follow the laws of physics.
Besides, with the limits to which cars can enter an online lobby currently implemented, this is irrelevant since if you don't want to encounter bikes you can just select car-only rooms, and if they're treated like karts it won't even be possible to mix them.
And saying they should focus on GT-games only when they're going to release TT2 anyway (hopefully) is an equally invalid and pointless argument.
The time being spend on making bikes is time being spend anyway if a successor to TT is planned, and since it could become optional DLC those who don't like bikes won't even notice they'll be added for those who do like them.

 

[HKS racer]

And saying they should focus on GT-games only when they're going to release TT2 anyway (hopefully) is an equally invalid and pointless argument.

It's invalid and pointless for you Sir, I much prefer they spend time and resoruces on 4 wheel stuff, expecially they really should focus on "GT" cars in a game called "GT". The FM4 DLC will be ready in November and will put GT5 DLC cars to a shame.

Lamborghini Aventador vs. Toyota Prius Touring Car.

And we are talking about bikes, seriously?

 

[KookiBirb]

It is pretty cool to have but I really think that Motorcycles should just stay in its own category in the Motorsport world. So I'll have to say no, sorry.

Another Tourist Trophy game wouldn't hurt though 👍

 

[mikeonthebike]

I'm a massive fan of trials, and there are very few games that cover it. The last one I remember (aside from the 2D-based Trials flash Java game and its fun / silly spiritual successor Trials 2) was MotoRacer 3, and that was lacking a touch, but still fun and retained the thoughtful / technical nature of trials, if not necessarily the physical accuracy.
Both trials and motocross would ideally need bespoke circuits / locations, though, which may be problematic.



But if PD aren't to be "allowed" to make a TT2, there won't be a decent bike game to buy.[/COLOR] There's a real dearth of quality motorbike-related sim / racing games these days; I have no idea why. Even then, the idea of GT's game style in motorbike form hasn't been touched by many either.

Besides, isn't it perfectly possible that PD could take on more staff to be able to work on both projects simultaneously? Not to mention, variety is the spice of life, and it could well be a boon to the devs themselves to be able to work on something different for once. It's often happened that something positive has come out of a smaller side-project (like TT, Portal, etc.) that has blossomed into something of note and importance itself. I actually think that a TT-style add-on for GT5 would be a big seller for PD, and therefore totally worth the extra effort. Who knows, you may even enjoy it yourself!

By the way, we're not expecting (well, I'm not...) PD to throw this together in time for Christmas or something, I expect to have to wait for it, so hopefully you all can have your own cake to eat whilst I wait for mine.



There weren't any "dirt" circuits in TT, so no, there wasn't a dirt mode.
And Road Rash 3D is an abomination, a slur on the good name of Road Rash. 👎

What I highlighted in red. a little variety may help keep PD motivated and positive.

 

[PAPPACLART]

Why does mixing cars and bikes in a game suddenly turn it into an arcade game?
Because some arcade games do it? That's not a convincing argument.
Any real life trackday at the Nürburgring has both bikes and cars (and the occasional bus) sharing the same track and they still all follow the laws of physics.
Besides, with the limits to which cars can enter an online lobby currently implemented, this is irrelevant since if you don't want to encounter bikes you can just select car-only rooms, and if they're treated like karts it won't even be possible to mix them.
And saying they should focus on GT-games only when they're going to release TT2 anyway (hopefully) is an equally invalid and pointless argument.
The time being spend on making bikes is time being spend anyway if a successor to TT is planned, and since it could become optional DLC those who don't like bikes won't even notice they'll be added for those who do like them.

👍

Totally agree. KY has mentioned in the past GT being like an OS, with constant plugging in, of patches, tweaks and now DLC etc. effectively, TT2 will be GT5 but without cars, as pretty much everything else will be the same. (tracks etc)

I think marketing bikes as DLC to GT fans will only likely sell more then if TT2 was stand alone and came on a disk of its own, plus it would be cheaper, would save the manufacturing and distribution as well as retailer cut if TT2 came as a DLC plugin for GT5.

I would hope that if it did come as DLC, then on-line lobbies could be restricted, so that obviously the people that wanted Ducati 1198 vs Ferrari 458 at the ring, it would all be possible.

video Ducti vs 458 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPNs3v4m7TA

video Ducti vs 458

 

[JWalker]

I see a problem in this, think of the positives that additional cars and tracks will bring to GT5 instead of bikes!
-More variety in races
-More challenges for A-Spec, and B-Spec
-Possibility of obtaining the GT1/2/3/4 license which will open the chance for more special events with professional GT drivers, and more tracks that GT drivers race on like Monza

There you go, now its better

 

[PAPPACLART]

I think the discussion is about the integration of bikes/TT2 into GT5. It is very likely that work has or will be starting with TT2. The main dev time for TT2 will be the bikes, as we already have the tracks with GT5. Bikes being added to GT5 will take nothing away from GT5.

GT5 has its Development target as well as TT2, and both will exist as separate entities. At some point though, PD will have a choice to integrate the 2 together or to release TT2 as a separate stand alone game. Again, what ever choice is made will take nothing away from GT5 progress.

 

[HKS racer]

Someone really need to go out and buy Superbike 2011.

 

[PAPPACLART]

Also, the modelling of bikes on TT is very good, and certainly better than the car counterparts in GT4. PD could quite easily offer us standard TT bikes at GT5 resolution, much like standard GT5 cars. TT standard bikes could easily be added to GT5 taking very little away from GT5 development time. Besides it would be a great money earner for PD if they did something like that which should be pretty easy considering KY has already said the physics model that exists in GT5 could accommodate motorcycles easily.

 

[analog]

It's invalid and pointless for you Sir, I much prefer they spend time and resoruces on 4 wheel stuff, expecially they really should focus on "GT" cars in a game called "GT". The FM4 DLC will be ready in November and will put GT5 DLC cars to a shame.

That's exactly why I said what I said, you'd prefer they spend all their time on cars, my point is that if they are planning a TT2 anyway this argument which seems to be a common occurence here is irrelevant since this time is already being taken up building bikes.
And as Amar pointed out yesterday, there could very well be an additional TT Life added to the main menu so it's just a case of semantics really and the GT-part still remains GT.

 

[Watt2159]

There you go, now its better

Cool, you could have said that without altering my post, even though it didn't make sense.

 

[witham]

Pd could easily stick a tourist trophy plug in for gt5, £20 for it and you get motorbikes and a spec career that is seperate to that of its car counterparts. They could eaily just up the textures on the bikes in TT and upscale them and they would be fine. Most people say no on here because the are ignorant and believe that they will not like bikes in general like I use to know I love them, jsut give them a chance look at them on youtube go to you local bike meets in your car to have a look around. Or its because they have never played a bike game and when they think about bike games they think arcade style or motorstorm.

The bike world needs a accurate simulation (gt5 will do, lets not get the iracing people going), and gt5 integration would serve as a perfect plat-form which would bring more players to the game and increase peoples interests in both bikes and cars. After all most of us here and petrolheads so don't you want motorbike lovers to appriciate the mazda 787b as much as you do and visa versa so many car lovers have yet to discover motorbikes and how amazing they can be!

And saying I would rather have prmium cars is rubish as I would imagine pd could turn multiple TT game bikes into premium bikes in gt5 in the time taken to make one premium standard. If any rendering experts would like to guess I would appricate it.
I reckon 8 TT standards to preium in the time taken to do one GT4 standard.

 

[nitrorocks]

Whatever happened to that old Isle of Man TT game on PS2? Is that tourist trophy? And Moto GP makes some good games

 

[C-ZETA]

Whatever happened to that old Isle of Man TT game on PS2? Is that tourist trophy?

Tourist Trophy is basically identical to GT4 with cars replaced by bikes. So that game is not Tourist Trophy.

 

[JOSHIE-G]

It's quite a heavy car tbh... I daubt it would beat the Ducati on slicks, that bike has 186HP and weights 164kg... that's 1.13HP per kg and the best sounding engine on two wheels... 👍

I'd love to have cars against motorbikes in GT5, then it would truly become motorsport bible with everything from cars to bikes...

I still want TT:2 tho

Goes like **** of a shovel of the line 👍

 

[nitrorocks]

That sounds like a cool game! PD made it?

 

[Watt2159]

And even if PD doesn't add bikes, whats stopping them from making TT2? For me, bikes really aren't something I think HAS to be done, I just think......why not?

 

[Tireseas]

Where's the "To hell with bolting them onto GT5/6 as overpriced DLC or a muddled side mode and give us Tourist Trophy 2 already" option? I want that game far, far more than I care about GT6 at this point.

 

[Griffith500]

Someone really need to go out and buy Superbike 2011.

[vid]

That game is to Tourist Trophy what F1 2011 is to GT, so it's not the same thing. I don't think people take kindly to being told what to do, especially when the instruction is so ill-considered as that. Don't you think people who are interested in bikes and games will look for biking games?

There is nothing comparable to GT's scope for the motorcycle world; most bikers aren't lucky enough to own bespoke race machines, they have to "make do" with production motorcycles, and not many games offer these in a realistic setting. Think about what makes a game like GT so appealing. A Ducati 1198R Corse is an expensive motorcycle, ridiculously so; few motorcyclists will get to own one, or even be lucky enough to ride one. Then there are the older, rarer bikes, too, like the NR750 or a CBX 1000 or a Matchless etc. or even the more utilitarian bikes like a Skywave or the big brute cruisers like a VMax, and even off-road / Motard bikes; the list goes on.

It's just like GT: TT is supposed to offer something to a wide cross-section of the motorcycling "community", something Superbike 2011 will never do.

@ nitrorocks: yes, Tourist Trophy was a game made shortly after GT4's release. I don't think it was particularly heavily marketed. I only happened upon it by chance!