CAMAROBOY69
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No I dont want bikes. I want ALL the cars to be premium.
Motorcycles in GT5?
- Thread starter Patrik
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- jonjwlee
A rather ignorant generalisation, don't you think?
Just as there are car guys who don't like bikes, there are also bike guys that don't care one iota about cars. It's just that because GT is a car racing game, this conversation would obviously be biased towards the car side of things.
Also, sifting through the comments, it appears that some of the car guys on this forum do like bikes. The main issue here, at least from my point of view, is not that PD shouldn't make bikes, but that they should be in another game; a Tourist Trophy 2, if you'd like.
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- mjm23race
Kind of a generalization, but I have heard many negative and even childish statements when it comes to the whole bike idea. I get that the whole GT thing is bias towards cars, but that is only because Kaz decided it to be that way, not anyone here. If Kaz / PD decided to impliment bikes into GT then so be it, thats the way it will be.
From my point of view a TT2 or seperate title would be great, but I can only imagine the outrage from the car guys that they PD was working on a bike game instead of GT6 or DLC or converting a thousand standard cars to premiums instead.
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- diegorborges82
I really, really, REALLY can't see why bikes mixed with cars in Gran Turismo could be bad.
That's the way the normal tourist days work in the Nordschleife. Cars, bikes, buses, everyone can have fun together.
With lobby restrictions you can make your events restricted to cars only or bikes only...
Having bikes in GT would be a plus, a BIG one. Because no other game, had the simulation (almost) focus containing the 2 types of vehicles together. TDU or PGR4 are more arcadish. That would bring more bikers to Gran Turismo world and our audience/community will be even bigger and stronger.
I can just imagine some MAD drag racing or Wangan style racing on SSR7 with bikes and cars mixed.
Cars trying to beat bike times on the Nordschleife or other track.
That's EPIC.
That's the way the normal tourist days work in the Nordschleife. Cars, bikes, buses, everyone can have fun together.
With lobby restrictions you can make your events restricted to cars only or bikes only...
Having bikes in GT would be a plus, a BIG one. Because no other game, had the simulation (almost) focus containing the 2 types of vehicles together. TDU or PGR4 are more arcadish. That would bring more bikers to Gran Turismo world and our audience/community will be even bigger and stronger.
I can just imagine some MAD drag racing or Wangan style racing on SSR7 with bikes and cars mixed.
Cars trying to beat bike times on the Nordschleife or other track.
That's EPIC.
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mjm23race
What about legitimate outrage from people who have spent money and hate racing with a pad.
As a wheel user bikes are no good to me at all.
Maybe if they made a decent peripheral to control the bikes then fair enough.
I like bikes, I just don't like using a pad.
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- jonjwlee
There was also someone here who was posted abuse directed at people who were opposed to the bike idea...
Also, I meant bias as in the people who comment here. As GT has always been a car game (barring the shelved HD project), I would assume that there are more car enthusiasts playing the game than there are bikers, so I'm not surprised that a lot of people here don't want bikes in GT.
That's the whole issue in a nutshell. I, for one, would prefer PD to stick to cars and have another developer create Tourist Trophy 2 (although I wouldn't mind at all if there were bikes in Gran Turismo). But people here have to remember that in the end it's all up to Yamauchi-san. It's his company, it's his games, and he will run/do them as and when he pleases.
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I'm not sure how you should be "legitimately outraged", it seems you know the deal already, well in advance of anything even being announced.
I guess your complaints with the pad are from an ergonomics standpoint? So your only hope would be a bespoke controller, which would be great, as long as the relevant parties see the potential and actually make one. However such a thing may even work.
Unless you're saying PD shouldn't actually make the game (TT2) unless they have a new controller to go with it, in which case shame on you! You shall accept your fate as the martyr, whilst we DS3-capables all enjoy ourselves (you can have our sympathies, though, I promise!)
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Nice one Griffo.
Yes I've been a martyr before with other titles with poor wheel support. And yes they were car games.
The likelyhood of me breaking that rule is non existent.
Here I stand on my own.
Yes I've been a martyr before with other titles with poor wheel support. And yes they were car games.
The likelyhood of me breaking that rule is non existent.
Here I stand on my own.
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- cargorat323
- CargoRatt
I like bikes myself but in my opinion they should have their own game and not in GT5.
I'm for bikes, and I'm not going against your opinion that you don't want bikes its just, don't you think it's a bit drastic to just abandon a game overall just because they added something? I didn't abandon GT after they added B-Spec mode, and I think that B-spec is a complete waste of memory! But I didn't leave GT just because they added something I thought was outright dumb, mainly because it isn't something you have to do in the game, and I think that is what bikes would be like too, it would be something PD doesn't force onto you.
EDIT:I think that this would be a good decision for PD to make Financially, as they don't have to make a separate game overall, and that would cost much more than to just make an update, and make a DLC.
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There will be never be time is correct. For that, you keep the games/bikes separate.
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To be honest, if it were up to me, I'd replace all 800 Standard cars for 200 Premium bikes in one go right now (seriously).
But that's just me and that obviously won't happen but it's basically the same bullish unsophisticated sentiment displayed by most who are fiercely anti-bike for some reason.
With a few exceptions, I hardly come across an intelligently written post explaining in (at least some) detail why the 2 games need to be separate, heck most don't even wish one to exist any longer it seems (most are simply along the lines of 'hell no!" and offer no further explanation at all).
I've yet to see a persuasive argument which counteracts the notion of separate game modes (you know, GT-Life and TT-Life) convincingly since that would have no consequence whatsoever for those who only wish to drive cars.
If anything, releasing bikes into the existing structure of GT5 as DLC without a separate game mode, but just to be used in the same way karts and the Ferrari F1 cars are (free practice and dedicated online rooms only) would be less time consuming than creating a separate TT title with a complete game structure, they 'only' need to create those bikes then.
The only people who are really screwed by including bikes into GT5 are not the car-guys, it's those only interested in bikes and who looked forward to TT2, if that happens they have to buy a car game they don't need, extra DLC and faced with an irrelevant game structure they can't use.
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- Ryk_BRM
TT - Bikes
GT - Cars
GG - Ponies.
Seriously... PD have a wealth of tracks they can recycle into a Motor Bike game.
I didn't get TT but I wish I had.
Separate... This will help the console as the CPU doesn't have to crunch up two radically different moving objects...
But I can see DLC being valid for both games. You get one "Road Dundrod" and you could use it on your GT save as well as your TT:2 "Son of TT"
Maybe online you could have mixed format racing... But that would be like racing A Bike a Car and a Horse...
Targa Florio anyone?
GT - Cars
GG - Ponies.
Seriously... PD have a wealth of tracks they can recycle into a Motor Bike game.
I didn't get TT but I wish I had.
Separate... This will help the console as the CPU doesn't have to crunch up two radically different moving objects...
But I can see DLC being valid for both games. You get one "Road Dundrod" and you could use it on your GT save as well as your TT:2 "Son of TT"
Maybe online you could have mixed format racing... But that would be like racing A Bike a Car and a Horse...
Targa Florio anyone?
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Ryk
Yep. 👍
GT5: THE REAL DRIVING SIMULATOR.
TOURIST TROPHY: THE REAL RIDING SIMLATOR.
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- jonjwlee
I think Polyphony simply doesn't have the resources to pour into creating bikes for the game. Yes, Tourist Trophy reused several assets from GT4, but I'm pretty sure the physics engine needed a bit of recalibrating to take into account the bike lean, braking and other handling characteristics exclusive to bikes. And even then, it wasn't perfect (I've never ridden a bike myself, but I've read reviews of the game from actual bikers that attest to the fact). Then there's the issue of actually modeling the bikes.
You could argue that you can reuse models from Tourist Trophy itself, but I doubt Polyphony would like to rehash PS2 content after the backlash regarding the Standard cars in GT5.
Hence, I don't think it makes sense for Polyphony to go out of its own way, what with the need to tend to GT5 with updates and DLC as well as the development of GT6, just to add what, 5, maybe 10 bikes to the game? And it's hard to make a business case for a DLC that would essentially only be bought by bike guys who already have the game (those who don't have the game would probably find it taking too much effort, especially as the majority of content in the game is about things they might not have an interest in).
Thus, for me, it makes more sense to create Tourist Trophy 2, published by Polyphony but developed by another company, preferably one that has had experience creating motorbike sims. They could have access to GT5 assets, including the physics engine and tracks. It's a win-win: Polyphony can continue to focus on cars, and as long as they continuously vet the development of the game to make sure that it measures up to their high expectations, it would be a cracking game.
Ferrari458Italia
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motorbikes have a completely different physics than a car does. And mixing them both is a huge no-no.
motorbikes have a completely different physics than a car does. And mixing them both is a huge no-no.
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- eran0004
Thing is: Adding bikes is like developing a new game. They need to add license tests, driving schools, A-spec & B-spec events, online events and probably rebuild the physics engine as I doubt that the current engine is designed to cope with the driving characteristics of motorbikes. It's a bit much work to add it only as DLC. Maybe in future generations of the game, though.
Regarding "wheel vs DS3", it might be possible to develop a steering "thing" from the PS Move, looking like the steering "thing" from a real motorbike?
Regarding "wheel vs DS3", it might be possible to develop a steering "thing" from the PS Move, looking like the steering "thing" from a real motorbike?
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It would be easy money for PD, releasing Motorbikes as DLC and M-Spec sort of Career though update. But for that, they would have to release plenty of Motorbikes to balance it. About 30 would be a good number so there is plenty to do in the M-Spec career. You would get the option before the Home screen when you start up GT5 to choose A-Spec or M-Spec or a better idea would to replace B-Spec to M-spec and integrate B-Spec into A-Spec. Like choose a race then pick A-Spec or B-spec.. Was GT4 like that?
As i said it's easy money, they also release Tourist Trophy 2 with the same Motorbikes and tracks in GT5 but along side with exclusives, more motorbikes/tracks that isn't in GT5 and sidecars Etc. (Possibly Standards from Tourist Trophy 1, i can see that happening) and full on Motorbike Spec Career to make it worthy to buy from GT5 limiting Motorbike DLC's and career races.
It seems like a lot of work for PD to do if they put Motorbikes in GT5 because they will have to re-log the online for more settings to bring motorbike lobbys only and cars & motorbikes together. That means Calculating the PP's accurate as possible so both cars and motorbike races come over the finish line identically. Even some cars with the same PP don't, there is a easy flaw in the PP system. So i hope Cars & motorbikes races are fair as possible. One good example, I've seen people say that car drivers will be ramming the motorbike riders to knock them off. Well im sure PD will put on the Ghost feature when setting the penalties on and make it more sensitive so when the car is very close the motorbike, it turns into a ghost, making it impossible to ram the motorbike. but when the penalty is off, the cars and motorbikes can interact.
But to me, having Motorbikes in GT5 is like a weird dream. its hard to see it happening in real life. but if PD want to get greedy with money, they can do so.
As i said it's easy money, they also release Tourist Trophy 2 with the same Motorbikes and tracks in GT5 but along side with exclusives, more motorbikes/tracks that isn't in GT5 and sidecars Etc. (Possibly Standards from Tourist Trophy 1, i can see that happening) and full on Motorbike Spec Career to make it worthy to buy from GT5 limiting Motorbike DLC's and career races.
It seems like a lot of work for PD to do if they put Motorbikes in GT5 because they will have to re-log the online for more settings to bring motorbike lobbys only and cars & motorbikes together. That means Calculating the PP's accurate as possible so both cars and motorbike races come over the finish line identically. Even some cars with the same PP don't, there is a easy flaw in the PP system. So i hope Cars & motorbikes races are fair as possible. One good example, I've seen people say that car drivers will be ramming the motorbike riders to knock them off. Well im sure PD will put on the Ghost feature when setting the penalties on and make it more sensitive so when the car is very close the motorbike, it turns into a ghost, making it impossible to ram the motorbike. but when the penalty is off, the cars and motorbikes can interact.
But to me, having Motorbikes in GT5 is like a weird dream. its hard to see it happening in real life. but if PD want to get greedy with money, they can do so.
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- Willfred_1
As A guy who owns 2 bikes and watches bsb motogp and few other series i can say its hlgood idea but implementing would the worst thing ever.
The cleaness of racing on gt5 is poor now put that on bikes every one would rage quit
then consider the amount of animation needed to make the rider move round the bike and i wouldnt just want superbikes it would need supermotos, supersports, sport tourers and then the challenge of picking them
It may sou d good buy it would be better of realising it as a standalone game
The cleaness of racing on gt5 is poor now put that on bikes every one would rage quit
then consider the amount of animation needed to make the rider move round the bike and i wouldnt just want superbikes it would need supermotos, supersports, sport tourers and then the challenge of picking them
It may sou d good buy it would be better of realising it as a standalone game
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- evilserpentman
At best, TT2 could be made based on an early version of the GT5 engine, and built from there.
With PD's attention to detail and timeframes, it just wouldn't work mixed with GT.
With PD's attention to detail and timeframes, it just wouldn't work mixed with GT.
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