Motorcycles in GT6?

[Reessorules]

if they added bikes they'd have to work on a new crash physics system unless we can crash into walls at 200mph and just bounce off still on the bike.

If they added bikes i doubt you could race them with cars, they'd be like go-karts and F1, a different catagory for online

 

[omgitsbees]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but PD has toyed with the idea of adding bikes along with cars to a Gran Turismo game. It's certainly possible it will happen for GT6. I would rather it didn't though. Just give me Tourist Trophy 2 instead.

 

[mjm23race]

Bikes are coming, better get used to the idea.

Disclaimer: That is meant to be a statement of opinion, not fact.

I changed my post too and added a disclaimer so no one gets the wrong idea.

Link?

There is no public link. But anything that is shared would be in confidence anyway wouldn't it.

Exactly, I can just as easily say bikes aren't coming, get used to it.

Yup, except there won't be torches and pitchforks if you do.

Except now you've posted 48 times in the thread you started (where you made it clear in the OP that dissenting opinions were always only tolerated because you couldn't keep people from posting) and still haven't bothered. So until you do so, feel free to cut the attitude.

Perhaps cut down on the hypocrisy as well.

I don't get what you are on about me not bothering with?

This is a thread for anyone interested in motorcycles and the possibility of them being included in gt6. But I know even though some people aren't interested, their human nature cannot let them resist posting their .02. So whatever, discuss whatever you like. It is a public forum.

 

[Samus]

So we have to get used to your opinion? That makes no sense.

 

[Warren4649]

I want guns in gt6 so that I can shoot them while they overtake me. I think it would be a great addition to the game...

 

[arora]

This is a thread for anyone interested in motorcycles and the possibility of them being included in gt6. But I know even though some people aren't interested, there human nature cannot let them resist posting their .02. So whatever, discuss whatever you like. It is a public forum.

They are interested in the game gt6, why should they resist posting? You say go ahead and post but you seem to mean, damn you for posting an opposing opinion to mine.

Just so my position is clear; I'm not against bikes in the game, I don't think pd is capable of making it work, I don't think pd has any interest in doing it. TT was a very long time ago for one, and two, even though they made a vid for gt-hd it never happened. Pretty sure they have scraped the idea by now.

I also don't buy the physics are physics argument, sure if the engine is complex enough to handle different types of inputs but as exorcist said some time back, it could be a pretty simple engine they are working with.

 

[mjm23race]

So we have to get used to your opinion? That makes no sense.

People expect others to accept their own opinion all over these forums.

I don't expect anyone to change their mind if they have a preconceived notion against bikes. You don't have to get used to anything. Just might be helpful if you open your mind to the idea of having bikes in gt, it will save a lot of heart ache later if they are introduced.

 

[omgitsbees]

Disclaimer: That is meant to be a statement of opinion, not fact.

I changed my post too and added a disclaimer so no one gets the wrong idea.

That's not the point, and doesn't change the fact that the way you worded it, makes it a fact, not an opinion. If you have to add a disclaimer to your post, then you are just lazy. You need to get your thoughts across more clearly.

 

[mjm23race]

I want guns in gt6 so that I can shoot them while they overtake me. I think it would be a great addition to the game...

Maybe you could start your own thread about adding guns, this one is about motorcycles.

Thanks

They are interested in the game gt6, why should they resist posting? You say go ahead and post but you seem to mean, damn you for posting an opposing opinion to mine.

I also don't buy the physics are physics argument, sure if the engine is complex enough to handle different types of inputs but as exorcist said some time back, it could be a pretty simple engine they are working with.

Opposing opinions are not a big deal. People are creatures of habit and are usually resistant to change. I get it. And a lot of people are fearful of having to interact with bikes or be forced to try and tame one. Even more so it seems like a lot of people feel let down by PD and the idea of bikes adds even more chance of being let down again. Not much to say about all that other than it is up to work on whatever they see fit, and deliver the goods.

As far as physics, I would say the opposite. If you have a physics engine that allows Input of all the different parameters to differentiate many different types of vehicles. I would think it is somewhat complex.

 

[omgitsbees]

Maybe you could start your own thread about adding guns, this one is about motorcycles.

Thanks

Maybe you should learn how to properly state an opinion.

Thanks

 

[another_jakhole]

Maybe you should learn how to properly state an opinion.

Thanks

Maybe have some consideration and don't derail a thread you're not interested in. It's only the proper thing to do, but you did take one statement of his and considered it to be a breaking of the rules when it's obvious what you're doing in here.

Maybe you could start your own thread about adding guns, this one is about motorcycles.

Thanks

I was hoping you didn't reply to that. You still managed to do something better though. It was goood 👍.

 

[Tornado]

I don't get what you are on about me not bothering with?

You've gone on and on about how bikes are going to be in the GT franchise. You've outlined your personal pros and cons over the idea, and made it clear that your word on the matter is apparently where the buck stops on this issue (hence: "Get used to it," which you have expressed outright several times now).


You even went so far as to start the thread like this:

All the car only diehard snobs can chime in too, like I have a choice anyway.

Making your sheer contempt for the people who'd rather PD not do it go beyond mere subtext and having it hang in the air openly from the very beginning; and making it seem like you only started this thread to yell at people who don't like motorcycles.


So why is it that your word is where the buck stops?

 

[Warren4649]

Maybe you could start your own thread about adding guns, this one is about motorcycles.

Thanks

Maybe you should grow up.

Seriously after reading some of your posts I'm wondering if you're not just a 12yo kid trying a poor attempt at trolling.

 

[arora]

but you did take one statement of his and considered it to be a breaking of the rules

Because it is.

 

[omgitsbees]

I wish more people on here were like SimonK and Toronado.

Maybe you should grow up.

Seriously after reading some of your posts I'm wondering if you're not just a 12yo kid trying a poor attempt at trolling.

I was pretty sure before, but now i'm 110% positive he is after seeing your previous post fly completely over his head.

but you did take one statement of his and considered it to be a breaking of the rules when it's obvious what you're doing in here.

I didn't state any such thing. I don't care if he is breaking the forum rules or not, it's not my place to care, that's for the mods.

 

[another_jakhole]

if they added bikes they'd have to work on a new crash physics system unless we can crash into walls at 200mph and just bounce off still on the bike.

If they added bikes i doubt you could race them with cars, they'd be like go-karts and F1, a different catagory for online

Damage is done for each car individually.


http://www.lensoftruth.com/head2head-gran-turismo-5-vs-forza-3-analysis/

Graphics: In general, vehicle models across platforms looked incredible and photo realistic. However, the major differences between the two versions was how each platform handled vehicle damage. It’s was clear that Gran Turismo 5 had implemented a rarely used feature called Decal Tessellation. Without going into too much detail, the idea behind this technique is to take a displacement map texture, project it onto geometry - just like a decal – and tessellate the geometry in real time so that the displaced geometry looks like physical damage to the vehicle. Plain and simple, mimicking realistic damage on the fly. On the flip side, Forza 3 simply swapped out decals and models which made collision between vehicles look rather dull compared to Gran Turismo 5. Although we’re not comparing graphical differences in this article, a little information about the vehicles damage systems felt appropriate.

different source and statement was made before that ^^^

He also told us that the demo version that was installed on both the Tokyo Game Show and the booths present at the premises of the company lacked the latest damage build. It is a feature in which they are still working on, car to car.

If someone cries foul, then why/how do you think some cars have greater levels of damage than others? There isn't a "tone down the damage a little" button. Is it also a "placebo" that some cars have had visible increases in damage quality since the Standard car visual improvements were a "placebo"? I noticed THAT before it became obvious how their visual quality improved. If you want to say I'm wrong, please, do better than to say I need more proof. This isn't directed at the person I replied to.

 

[Tornado]

If someone cries foul, then why/how do you think some cars have greater levels of damage than others? There isn't a "tone down the damage a little" button.

I'm not sure what you are saying here. Other than body panels falling off (which obviously have to be implemented differently), there probably is a slider or some such similar setting that varies the amount of damage that certain cars get compared to other ones. That's how certain PC titles (at least ISI ones) do it when they have real-time damage.

 

[another_jakhole]

I'm not sure what you are saying here. Other than body panels falling off (which obviously have to be implemented differently), there probably is a slider or some such similar setting that varies the amount of damage that certain cars get compared to other ones. That's how certain PC titles (at least ISI ones) do it when they have real-time damage.

Project CARS has a universal weather and time change system (off-topic = pCARS JUST got clouds implemented as the week/s before they "fully" implemented it I saw clouds and the moon, I think, sitting/swimming in the sea). GT5 doesn't include a universal system for weather and time change.
FM4 doesn't have either of them, but damage is technically better than GT5. My point is that obviously not all games are written the exact same way, and I'm not discounting your (hopefully) factual statements. Then, there's the varying levels of damage based on the manufacturer and the conditions/rules that the developer has to abide by which has affected the "integrity" of GT.

Porsche (that’s right… Porsche) have stated that they do not have a problem with their cars being damaged in the game. Ferrari, however, are being more stubborn and could be a source of delay in damage implementation. Of course, that isn’t consistent with Forza or Ferrari Challenge, which has shown damage on the Italian cars for some time now.

Even if it was a lie which could land people in boiling water, you can't say that there aren't different sets of conditions and rules that they all have to follow to appease EVERYBODY.

I appreciate the real input, instead of the obvious derailing that's been happening even if you do prove me wrong. It isn't about who has the bigger ego. We're all trying to get to the same place, I suppose.

 

[arora]

What derailing? That last post has nothing to do with cycles does it? I see pcars, fm4, damage this and that, but nothing indicating how you relate it to cycles in gt6.

 

[mjm23race]

Lets now discuss about a powerboat simulator.

These requests are never ending and silly, if they add bikes they might as well add dirt bikes. Why not dune buggies too? Dakar anyone? Or, how about drag bikes... etc. etc.

I'd like semi trucks with a dock area for licensing tests, maybe a few fork lifts and pallet jacks to practice unloading 👍

No. I want 600 cars in Tourist Trophy 2.

I don't agree with this thread mainly because it's always been a car based game. If I wanted to play a game with cars and bikes I would purchase the new GTAV when it comes out.

How about motorstorm?

I think MotorCycles in GT6 would be stupid

How about adding cars to GT6.
That might work.

Just no. Absolutely no. I don't want the car game ruined by stupid motorcycles.

If there's motorcycles, I want them absolutely punished like they should be

PD may through a bike in for bullet points on the box I suppose.

Nah,

Maybe english isn't your native language or something

I want guns in gt6 so that I can shoot them while they overtake me. I think it would be a great addition to the game...

Maybe you should grow up.

Seriously after reading some of your posts I'm wondering if you're not just a 12yo kid trying a poor attempt at trolling.

And I'm a troll?

 

[mjm23race]

Motorbike lovers and auto enthusiasts are two different sets of people. Is the market the same?

This got me thinking. A lot of the market must be similar. Audi just purchased Ducati, the Yamaha MotoGp team used to be sponsored by Fiat, the Harley Davidson VR1000 used to be sponsored by Ford and Cosworth, the AMA superbike used to be sponsored by Chevy, and Toyota. There might be others that haven't even come to mind, but it does suggest there is some overlap between the car and motorcycle markets and there must be some benefit when one is involved with the other.

 

[arora]

In real life I am much more of a motorcycle enthusiast then car. I've never played a bike game that grabbed me and kept me drawn, luckily I like cars as well and gt had me addicted for years on end.

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

-> ...

I'll say it again:

Tourist Trophy 2!!!

While it would be nice to drive cars and bikes on the same track, I still feel that GT should remain only about cars, bikes should remain in TT...

And talking about bikes, I cannot resist posting this video

 

[Warren4649]

And I'm a troll?

This is called having a taste of your own medicine.

 

[omgitsbees]

And I'm a troll?

Hahahah wow dude, relax. This is really eating you up.

 

[PAPPACLART]

We need a poll like the equivalent thread for GT5.

 

[analog]

This got me thinking. A lot of the market must be similar. Audi just purchased Ducati, the Yamaha MotoGp team used to be sponsored by Fiat, the Harley Davidson VR1000 used to be sponsored by Ford and Cosworth, the AMA superbike used to be sponsored by Chevy, and Toyota. There might be others that haven't even come to mind, but it does suggest there is some overlap between the car and motorcycle markets and there must be some benefit when one is involved with the other.

To be honest, sponsorship doesn't really mean anything, Nissan sponsored a Tour de France team this year for example.
Fiat sponsoring Yamaha might have more to do with cashing in on the popularity of Valentino Rossi than anything else.
But ofcourse there's an overlap and an overlapping reason of interest for liking either/both bikes and/or cars, and the clear divide which often seems so present (on both sides) is something that I've never really understood.

Ofcourse it's a cultural or even tribal thing which has grown over decades possibly due to the general image bikers seem to have acquired due to portrayal in popular culture or real life (the rebel thing).
It seems to have started since biking became more of a leisure thing instead of basic everyday transport for most when cars were still too expensive but it's worth remembering bikes and cars stem from the same evolutional branch (after all, the very first bike was build by Gottlieb Daimler) which the more eclectic and openminded already understand.

And even though I support bikes being included in a separate gamemode or even within the same one (in a separate garage section/dealerships like Standard cars and perhaps only as 'casual' content with no role in game progress, basically treated like karts) as optional content from the start (you can select it or not) or optional DLC, I can also understand those who wish GT would stay fully focussed on cars to a degree.
Indeed to a degree, as I understand those who have no interest in bikes whatsoever only want to see, drive, and race cars but as I've mentioned above it can be implemented in a way they don't need to ever see a bike in GT6 and I wish people who oppose bikes would consider this when they reply as well.

That would only leave the argument of 'wasting' time and resources on bike-related content which seems a bit shortsighted considering a full TT2 title would take much more time and resources to develop.
If they 'only' modelled a selection of bikes and perhaps a basic TT-Life gamemode (maybe also as a sideproject like TT was) which you could choose to import into GT6 I can only see it as a win/win situation for both sides to be honest but maybe that's just me.
Again, it's only additional content welcomed by those already waiting a very long time for TT2 whilst not taking anything away from those who only want GT6.

 

[z0b3z]

i think bikes would be a great idea because car vs car is getting boring. and it would be awesome to race a bike against a car and have rivalry with bikes and cars instead of just muscle , jdm and euro and on top of that there are no decent bike games out on the market could you imagine how awesome it would be to tune your bike with gt tuning options but if they do bring bikes it would be in GT7 once they sort out all the Bs with cars but hopefully GT6 is that great that they will have some time to work on the bikes and maybe bring a few into gt6 via dlc

 

[Samus]

One thing that probably hasn't been brought up, how do you properly race a car vs a bike? I'm not talking about the problem of one ramming the other, I mean matching them. The fastest cars are always going to be faster than the fastest bikes overall on a lap for simple physics reasons, four big contact patches vs two.

So how do you get the two to race together on the same track and actually make it fun? If you put together a car and a bike that overall perform a similar lap time the bike is going to have to be much faster down the straight whilst the car will catch it in the bends. I don't really see that as fun racing myself.

 

[PAPPACLART]

One thing that probably hasn't been brought up, how do you properly race a car vs a bike? I'm not talking about the problem of one ramming the other, I mean matching them. The fastest cars are always going to be faster than the fastest bikes overall on a lap for simple physics reasons, four big contact patches vs two.

So how do you get the two to race together on the same track and actually make it fun? If you put together a car and a bike that overall perform a similar lap time the bike is going to have to be much faster down the straight whilst the car will catch it in the bends. I don't really see that as fun racing myself.

Road unmodified Supercars match up pretty well to stock road Superbikes on many tracks. Obviously if we start talking powerful race cars with Aero then even the modified full on race bikes will not have a chance.

Just like what we do currently to match up cars vs cars the same would apply for any online stuff we do with cars vs bikes, leave it up to the group in the lounge to find a way to match them up.

The sort of comparisons I would be doing would be chasing ghost laps and perhaps while online at the ring, me in a Stock Ducati Panigale chasing down my friend in a stock 458 or similar. As a bike nut for me that is just heaven!!