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A championship is on the line in all three of NASCAR's Top three Touring Series. Here are only the Top 5 for all three series:
--- Trucks ---
1.) James Buescher (777 pts.)
2.) Timothy Peters (766 pts.)
3.) Ty Dillon (765 pts.)
4.) Joey Coulter (748 pts.)
5.) Parker Kilgerman (740 pts.)
--- Nationwide ---
1.) Ricky Stenhouse Jr. (1212 pts.)
2.) Elliot Sadler (1192 pts.)
3.) Austin Dillon (1187 pts.)
4.) Sam Hornish Jr. (1105 pts.)
5.) Michael Annett (1050 pts.)
--- Cup ---
1.) Brad Keselowski (2371 pts.)
2.) Jimmie Johnson (2351 pts.)
3.) Kasey Kahne (2321 pts.)
4.) Clint Bowyer (2319 pts.)
5.) Denny Hamlin (2309 pts.)
Tell it- name the ones who'll be champs in the three respective series. And good luck to all competing drivers in making that one last push to win the title.
--- Trucks ---
1.) James Buescher (777 pts.)
2.) Timothy Peters (766 pts.)
3.) Ty Dillon (765 pts.)
4.) Joey Coulter (748 pts.)
5.) Parker Kilgerman (740 pts.)
--- Nationwide ---
1.) Ricky Stenhouse Jr. (1212 pts.)
2.) Elliot Sadler (1192 pts.)
3.) Austin Dillon (1187 pts.)
4.) Sam Hornish Jr. (1105 pts.)
5.) Michael Annett (1050 pts.)
--- Cup ---
1.) Brad Keselowski (2371 pts.)
2.) Jimmie Johnson (2351 pts.)
3.) Kasey Kahne (2321 pts.)
4.) Clint Bowyer (2319 pts.)
5.) Denny Hamlin (2309 pts.)
Tell it- name the ones who'll be champs in the three respective series. And good luck to all competing drivers in making that one last push to win the title.
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Going back to Talladega's crazy finish, I found this guys:
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Trucks - James Buescher. He does face some stiff competition though he will be able to hold off the other contenders.
Nationwide - Ricky Stenhouse Jr. has this wrapped up. He's great at Homestead, and Sadler is 20 points behind. Dillon is 25 points behind and will be a long shot for the championship.
Cup - Now this one is debatable. Keselowski clearly has the advantage, needing to finish 15th or better, though Johnson has a lot of luck and Keselowski may have mechanical problems. I'd say Brad Keselowski will be the champion.
Nationwide - Ricky Stenhouse Jr. has this wrapped up. He's great at Homestead, and Sadler is 20 points behind. Dillon is 25 points behind and will be a long shot for the championship.
Cup - Now this one is debatable. Keselowski clearly has the advantage, needing to finish 15th or better, though Johnson has a lot of luck and Keselowski may have mechanical problems. I'd say Brad Keselowski will be the champion.
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Which he had at Daytona and didn't get fined.
Edit: And I'm hoping #15 crew members were also fined but it just wasn't announced. They should not get off scott free here.
The rule was implemented after Daytona, because of Brad. The drivers and teams were told that no electronic devices were allowed in the car while out on track.
Edit: Brian Pattie's fine was for the crew. Crew chief is responsible for the actions of the entire team.
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JUST ANNOUNCED: The Nascar Camping World Truck Series will go to Eldora Next season!
http://www.bnd.com/2012/11/12/2392457/nascar-truck-series-headed-to.html
http://www.bnd.com/2012/11/12/2392457/nascar-truck-series-headed-to.html
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You know what really pisses me off about this? It's not that Gordon spun him out, because, seriously guys. It's not even that they didn't give Bowyer's crew any punishment whatsoever. Hell, even Danica being Danica can't be faulted at this point, nor can NASCAR's stupid yellow flag policies.
It's that after they pulled those morons off of Jeff and Jeff went into the trailer, Bowyer ran from one end of the track to the other and not a single damned person even attempted to stop him until he got there, despite obviously knowing what he was going to try to pull because they had a camera man following him the whole damn way. Because who cares how ridiculous of a farce the thing had become. They gotta have their drama for tomorrow, so people will tune in for future races! They can hand out penalties later.
Stay classy, NASCAR.
It's that after they pulled those morons off of Jeff and Jeff went into the trailer, Bowyer ran from one end of the track to the other and not a single damned person even attempted to stop him until he got there, despite obviously knowing what he was going to try to pull because they had a camera man following him the whole damn way. Because who cares how ridiculous of a farce the thing had become. They gotta have their drama for tomorrow, so people will tune in for future races! They can hand out penalties later.
Stay classy, NASCAR.
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Here is something I forgot to post in my latest reply...
Most of you know I'm a Jeff Gordon fan. For what he did at Phoenix... I'm still pretty baffled. I saw what happened live. All I could say was... wow. And as I was watching ESPN's "Around the Horn" earlier today, they looked at the J. Gordon/C. Bowyer incident. I swear that you have to either have a crash or start a fight for traditional sports reporters to even utter any form of racing. So I've learned an obvious lesson- don't trust traditional sports reporters to discuss any form of racing, let alone NASCAR.
I guess since Jeff Gordon was out of the championship picture for a good while, he probably felt he had nothing to lose, so he gave Clint Bowyer a piece of his mind. And apparently... also his car. Jeff Gordon's wallet got $100K light and was docked 25 points among other penalties after all of this. But since Jeff Gordon is not in the championship hunt, this almost seems inconsequential to his 2012 season. As I read from other pages, the wallets of Pattie and Clint Bowyer also got light.
This was all stuff I forgot to mention in my latest post, and I apologize for this.
Most of you know I'm a Jeff Gordon fan. For what he did at Phoenix... I'm still pretty baffled. I saw what happened live. All I could say was... wow. And as I was watching ESPN's "Around the Horn" earlier today, they looked at the J. Gordon/C. Bowyer incident. I swear that you have to either have a crash or start a fight for traditional sports reporters to even utter any form of racing. So I've learned an obvious lesson- don't trust traditional sports reporters to discuss any form of racing, let alone NASCAR.
I guess since Jeff Gordon was out of the championship picture for a good while, he probably felt he had nothing to lose, so he gave Clint Bowyer a piece of his mind. And apparently... also his car. Jeff Gordon's wallet got $100K light and was docked 25 points among other penalties after all of this. But since Jeff Gordon is not in the championship hunt, this almost seems inconsequential to his 2012 season. As I read from other pages, the wallets of Pattie and Clint Bowyer also got light.
This was all stuff I forgot to mention in my latest post, and I apologize for this.
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Trucks: Ty Dillon. Going with a rookie winning the title.
Nationwide: Stenhouse Jr. Two in a row and I really like him, Fords, Jack Roush and Roush Fenway Racing.
Sprint Cup: Going with Keselowski. I don't want to see Johnson get his sixth title. Atleast not for now. Maybe in two, three years I change my decision, but right now I don't want to see that happen.
Nationwide: Stenhouse Jr. Two in a row and I really like him, Fords, Jack Roush and Roush Fenway Racing.
Sprint Cup: Going with Keselowski. I don't want to see Johnson get his sixth title. Atleast not for now. Maybe in two, three years I change my decision, but right now I don't want to see that happen.
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Yes. Let's not ban a nobhead who treats his 1.5 ton car as a weapon because some other people weren't.
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Probably due to the exact same, flawed argument - that doing things wrong in the past is reason enough to keep doing them wrong.
Gordon shouldn't be suspended. He should be banned and arrested on a felony count of assault with a deadly weapon. Professional driver, my arse.
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And now I shall show my view for this stuff. Yes, Bowyer was in the wrong when he hit Jeff near the end. However, it was too much of a coincidence that Jeff was just trying to pit as Bowyer was coming to lap him. Furthermore, Jeff's actions were what got Logano and Almirola taken out in the process as well, which ultimately makes him the biggest scapegoat. He couldn't resolve the issue after the race was over, but instead caused a crash that wasn't just between the two, but also involved other drivers. They must feel crap afterwards since their races were only ruined by Jeff's lack of maturity, waiting for Bowyer to come just so he could knock him off.
That guy could do with a point penalty for next season and probably a ban for Homestead just to learn. Don't care if it'll be his 20 year anniversary. Actually, keeping him out of that specific race would definitely teach him not to become yet another Cryle Busch.
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Great post. My sentiments exactly. NASCAR today is tame in comparison to the drive or die races I used to watch when younger. Even the fairly recent debacles of Brad and Carl using their 3000 lb tutus to twirl each other into the catch-fences was more WWF than hair-raising. NASCAR is racing to get the moonshine there first. Drink up, boys. There's more to come.
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Is my presence in a motorsport thread somehow related to the fact that a champion racing driver decided to use his car as a weapon? What better thread do you think there is for discussing it than the thread in which it's being discussed.
I said exactly the same thing about Pastor Maldonado when he decided to do exactly the same thing and I will say it about any driver, "professional" or otherwise, who determines that it's acceptable conduct for whatever reason to smash his car into anyone else on purpose - with the exception of demolition derby where it's part of the design brief of the cars and specifically regulated.
Do you know what image this psychotic, brainless revenge smash - and the following punch-up perpetuated by a bunch of clots - portrayed to the world? One word: "Vagisil". And it's not just NASCAR (or Nationwide Cup), but motorsports in general and the entire USA that get the stigma for allowing this to happen, the joke fines handed out (having a phone in your car = 1/4 as bad as a felony) and the folk who are indicating acceptance of - even glorifying - this stupidity.
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Famine, this is NASCAR's culture and will remain so up to the day someone actually dies because of it. The late Dale Earnhardt, a revered icon of NASCAR's history, did all this and much more, his nickname being "The Intimidator" or something like it.
Try not to be too serious about it, NASCAR isn't ruled by the rules of normal behaviour in motorsport and since the fans, the sponsors, the drivers and everyone else related to it seems to be just fine with it ... so be it.
Try not to be too serious about it, NASCAR isn't ruled by the rules of normal behaviour in motorsport and since the fans, the sponsors, the drivers and everyone else related to it seems to be just fine with it ... so be it.
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Which isn't far off, looking at what some drivers (and fans) think is acceptable.
To compare the spaceframed, 200mph, 800hp, 1.5 ton, silhouette, stock cars driven by big-sponsor folk wearing flamesuits and HANS devices to the origins of moonshine runners in 300hp pony cars is to miss the point somewhat.
It's funny because Bowyer ran half a mile to smash Gordon's face in. He seemed fine with it.
Rubbin's racin' and all, and crashes are kinda inevitable. Stock cars are fun because it's all tight and close - and noisy - and every now and then someone loses concentration for a split second and gets relatively-harmlessly tonked. You know, accidents happen.
In most motorsports there's a gulf between sticking someone into a wall due to an error and doing so due to an over-optimistic, over-brave manouevre - that doesn't really exist in stock cars. The gap between that and waiting around for a guy so you can smash him into a wall on purpose doesn't really merit being called a gulf so much as an intergalatic chasm.
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I think you missed my point Famine. I find the "boys have at it" culture in NASCAR both ridiculous and dangerous. But that's NASCAR's culture and possibly DNA so that's the way it goes. And if the fans and sponsors like it and they are the ones making NASCAR profitable, they won't change it.
Just two examples, one of them from a well-known and respected motorsports journalist.
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/us-scene/nascar/dale-earnhardt-the-intimidator/
The other, just a funny reflection of this culture of "be a on-track bully or GTFO / be bullied yourself"
Nobody laughed or criticized because Danica tried to intentionally wreck another guy. They laughed because she failed to do it without wrecking herself.
Admit it: NASCAR is funny and entertaining
Just two examples, one of them from a well-known and respected motorsports journalist.
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/us-scene/nascar/dale-earnhardt-the-intimidator/
The other, just a funny reflection of this culture of "be a on-track bully or GTFO / be bullied yourself"
Nobody laughed or criticized because Danica tried to intentionally wreck another guy. They laughed because she failed to do it without wrecking herself.
Admit it: NASCAR is funny and entertaining
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