NASCAR 2012 Thread

[KBRacing2488]

The way i see it, Jeff should set this next race out and let Regan Smith take over the car. I think Clint is going to be bent on revenge and will want to wreck gordon intentially.

 

[KBRacing2488]

Bowyer could have got a faster run on the outside than he could to the inside of Gordon, so why the hell would Bowyer make that move?

It is harder for someone to spin you out if you are already turning left. That is what clint thought and made the move.

 

[Jahgee]

If Jeff did ignore his black flag just to take Bowyer out then Nascar has to step in and take action because it's uncalled for. If you want to fight then do it outside the cars not with them or ruin others races. People give Kurt a bad rap even with all his actions but if it's a golden boy like Jeff it seems to not be nearly the issue.

If Gordon received the Black Flag on or after 5 laps to go, his move to stay on track was legal. NASCAR's rules give you 5 laps from the time you get the Black Flag until they stop scoring your car.

 

[MustangRyan]

Uh, no he wasn't. He was pinged for being too obvious about it, that's it.

Did you read your own article? That is the "theory" of a second-hand writer. Nowhere in there does it say anything definitive from NASCAR.

 

[Anathema]

Not the first time Jeff's been in a fight, in case you were wondering.



My viewpoint might be slightly different than everyone else's - or it could be similar. I didn't take the time to view all the posts in this thread since this broke out.

I am personally a Matt Kenseth/Marcos Ambrose fan, and I'm trying to be as un-biased as possible.

:::

You have to think that Bowyer didn't intentionally hit Gordon originally. Like at Bristol this year, was this intentional? No, and I don't think that in this situation it was, either.

Gordon gets his airs up like how Carl Edwards did after the times that Keselowski and Edwards have got in a scrap, and proceeds to wait for Bowyer in order to take him out.

Theoretically... Bowyer had had a chance to take second place in the standings from Johnson, with Johnson's crash. It's an unwritten rule, as far as I know, that if you're actually in the hunt for the title, the other drivers are supposed to cut you some slack - Bowyer had had a chance, but Gordon didn't.

What I REALLY think is at issue is that Gordon waited for Bowyer, took him out 100% on purpose as admitted later, and collected Almirola and Logano. Jeff Gordon is was NOT Kyle Busch, but after this... I'm starting to see a bit of a similarity in the way they act, just like butthurt whiners. (Vintage 90's Gordon, coming back to life?)

The fight afterwards was just icing on the cake - looked like a full-team hockey fight was going to start before it was broken up. Tempers flare and 🤬 hits the fan, and you get the end result. However - if anyone thinks that Bowyer shouldn't have gone in and joined them, view it as that he's got a tremendous sense of team loyalty. Like in MLB, when fights break out, everyone's expected to join in.

On the subject of penalties... NASCAR needs to hold Gordon out for the finale, possibly Bowyer as well, put both of them on probation at the very least plus the fines. I love seeing stuff like this go down - it's actually more beneficial to the sport than people think - 1979 Daytona 500, anyone? - but NASCAR doesn't understand the need for this stuff sometimes needs to maintain an image. Image as what...? A redneck beerfest? You're doing that already.

Why hold both of them out? Well, I personally, if in charge, would (a) hold Gordon out, (b) Send Brian Pattie off for the week, (c) put both Bowyer and Gordon on probation for Homestead and 2013's season, and (d) fine both drivers at least $10,000, possibly more.

But NASCAR doesn't think like I do - I think Gordon's going to get senority as a 4-time championship winner and not get hit less than Bowyer will - both will probably be equally hit with fines/penalties.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Probation for all of 2013 is a little much...

 

[Ganon83]

It would be funny if Gordon gets suspended for his 20th anniversary race, where he'd be driving a cool silver paint scheme

 

[MustangManiac]

Since the rationale nascar gave for sitting shrub out last year was that his actions affected the championship I don't see how they can explain not doing the same to Gordo. His actions not only affected the results of the chase, but put two of his team mates ahead of Bowyer. Of course, it is nascar and it is Gordo and HMS so I highly doubt it will happen.

 

[GTPorsche]

Let's be honest here.

If Brad was collected in that crash, Jeff would be out of the next race. Everyone would be crying for conspiracies and that Jeff did it to help Jimmie.

But that didn't happen, and Clint Bowyer was a long shot for the championship before he got wrecked. The only way he was passing Jimmie in the points at Phoenix is if he possibly won the race since he was 9 points behind Jimmie.

If any penalties come down, it will be monetary fines for Gordon for causing the wreck and Brian Pattie for not being able to control his pit crew.

NASCAR suspending Gordon would have been like NASCAR suspending Dale Sr. It's not going to happen unless something really life-threatening were to occur.

 

[Jello18]

Not the first time Jeff's been in a fight, in case you were wondering.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLVJz6AGcmU">YouTube Link</a>

My viewpoint might be slightly different than everyone else's - or it could be similar. I didn't take the time to view all the posts in this thread since this broke out.

I am personally a Matt Kenseth/Marcos Ambrose fan, and I'm trying to be as un-biased as possible.

:::

You have to think that Bowyer didn't intentionally hit Gordon originally. Like at Bristol this year, was this intentional? No, and I don't think that in this situation it was, either.

Gordon gets his airs up like how Carl Edwards did after the times that Keselowski and Edwards have got in a scrap, and proceeds to wait for Bowyer in order to take him out.

Theoretically... Bowyer had had a chance to take second place in the standings from Johnson, with Johnson's crash. It's an unwritten rule, as far as I know, that if you're actually in the hunt for the title, the other drivers are supposed to cut you some slack - Bowyer had had a chance, but Gordon didn't.

What I REALLY think is at issue is that Gordon waited for Bowyer, took him out 100% on purpose as admitted later, and collected Almirola and Logano. Jeff Gordon is was NOT Kyle Busch, but after this... I'm starting to see a bit of a similarity in the way they act, just like butthurt whiners. (Vintage 90's Gordon, coming back to life?)

The fight afterwards was just icing on the cake - looked like a full-team hockey fight was going to start before it was broken up. Tempers flare and 🤬 hits the fan, and you get the end result. However - if anyone thinks that Bowyer shouldn't have gone in and joined them, view it as that he's got a tremendous sense of team loyalty. Like in MLB, when fights break out, everyone's expected to join in.

On the subject of penalties... NASCAR needs to hold Gordon out for the finale, possibly Bowyer as well, put both of them on probation at the very least plus the fines. I love seeing stuff like this go down - it's actually more beneficial to the sport than people think - 1979 Daytona 500, anyone? - but NASCAR doesn't understand the need for this stuff sometimes needs to maintain an image. Image as what...? A redneck beerfest? You're doing that already.

Why hold both of them out? Well, I personally, if in charge, would (a) hold Gordon out, (b) Send Brian Pattie off for the week, (c) put both Bowyer and Gordon on probation for Homestead and 2013's season, and (d) fine both drivers at least $10,000, possibly more.

But NASCAR doesn't think like I do - I think Gordon's going to get senority as a 4-time championship winner and not get hit less than Bowyer will - both will probably be equally hit with fines/penalties.

I don't think that bowyer should be fined, his crew should though.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Let's be honest here.

If Brad was collected in that crash, Jeff would be out of the next race. Everyone would be crying for conspiracies and that Jeff did it to help Jimmie.

But that didn't happen, and Clint Bowyer was a long shot for the championship before he got wrecked. The only way he was passing Jimmie in the points at Phoenix is if he possibly won the race since he was 9 points behind Jimmie.

If any penalties come down, it will be monetary fines for Gordon for causing the wreck and Brian Pattie for not being able to control his pit crew.

NASCAR suspending Gordon would have been like NASCAR suspending Dale Sr. It's not going to happen unless something really life-threatening were to occur.

Agreed on all parts.

 

[Jahgee]

People complained that Jeff hasn't shown enough fire, well he just showed it, and now people want his head. Again, double standards.

 

[Adamgp]

People complained that Jeff hasn't shown enough fire, well he just showed it, and now people want his head. Again, double standards.

Exactly.

Do I smell the creation of a "scumbag Nascar fan" meme?

 

[KBRacing2488]

Exactly.

Do I smell the creation of a "scumbag Nascar fan" meme?

There already sort of is.

 

[tezgm99]

Did you read your own article? That is the "theory" of a second-hand writer. Nowhere in there does it say anything definitive from NASCAR.

It rules out Kyle's history, the fact he took out a title contender and the fact that he did it under yellow as main factors, so what else does that leave?

 

[MustangRyan]

It rules out Kyle's history, the fact he took out a title contender and the fact that he did it under yellow as main factors, so what else does that leave?

An actual source.

 

[Carbonox]

Danica didn't cause that wreck, all blame on NASCAR.

Burton was responsible for spinning her, but Danica and only Danica was responsible for all that final corner madness due to being dumb enough not to return to pitlane.

 

[Furinkazen]

Burton was responsible for spinning her, but Danica and only Danica was responsible for all that final corner madness due to being dumb enough not to return to pitlane.

And NASCAR for not throwing a yellow for a car sideways into the bloody track.

 

[CodeRedR51]

The fact she was sitting in the middle of the track I don't think was enough. Everyone behind her got around, and by the time the leaders got to those turns again she was long gone. Because she decided to limp down the front straight dropping oil everyone instead of going to pit road like she could have is the problem.

 

[Adamgp]

 

[RACECAR]

Not accurate enough, needs more scandily clad photos.

 

[Furinkazen]

At James Buescher in victory lane.

 

[opelgt1969]

Burton was responsible for spinning her, but Danica and only Danica was responsible for all that final corner madness due to being dumb enough not to return to pitlane.

You are so wrong about this NASCAR is 100% at fault on this as a caution should have been thrown. Danica did what any driver has been told to do cross the finish line, thats what she did. If NASCAR had put the caution flag out the wreck would not have happened. I just wish the drivers would join together and sue NASCAR and force them to replace all cars involved, drivers get fined it's about time NASCAR gets fined for poor judgment.

 

[CodeRedR51]

...join together and sue NASCAR and force them to replace all cars involved....

Yeah, that will NEVER happen.

 

[Carbonox]

Yeah, cross the finish line with a car that's spilling out slippery oil directly on the path of a pack of drivers just about to come around to the chequered flag...

If she had any brains, she would've crossed the finish line via pitlane.

Oh and based on the screen, Newman apparently beat Keselowski to the line by mere millimeters.

 

[opelgt1969]

Yeah, that will NEVER happen.

You did notice at the start of that comment was the word "wish".

 

[Mudd]

When watching the replay that shows the oil slick, it doesn't appear that Danica was able to get down the track quick enough to pit. The slick is next to the outside wall and then crosses the track just after pit entrance. While inexperience probaly caused her to miss the pit, I don't think she was trying to cross the finish but just trying to get out of the way. NASCAR and all the driver interviews I caught said nobody saw the oil on the track until after the fact. I'll bet NASCAR was only hesitant to throw the caution because of the hassle from Richard Childress over the previous caution.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

NASCAR made the BBC Three news That is unheard of in this country!

 

[The Bman]

Gordon has been fined $100k and docked 25 points according to SportsCenter. In addition, he will be on probation for the rest of the year. He is not facing suspension.

 

[GTPorsche]

Penalties have just been announced.

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- NASCAR announced Monday penalties to three teams that compete in the Sprint Cup Series as a result of rule infractions at Phoenix International Raceway.

Jeff Gordon was found to be in violation of Sections 12-1 (actions detrimental to stock car racing) -- altercation with another competitor on the race track during the race -- and has been fined $100,000, docked 25 championship driver points and put on probation until Dec. 31. Rick Hendrick, owner of the No. 24 car, also has also been penalized with the loss of 25 championship owner points. Alan Gustafson, crew chief of the No. 24 car, was found to be in violation of Section 9-4A (at all events, crew chief assumes responsibility of his driver, car owner and team members) and has been placed on probation until Dec. 31.

Brian Pattie, crew chief of the No. 15 car, violated Sections 12-1 and 9-4A and has been fined $25,000 and placed on probation until Dec. 31.

Brad Keselowski, driver of the No. 2 car, has been fined $25,000 and placed on probation until Dec. 31 for violating Sections 12-1 and 20-6.7A (cars and drivers will not be permitted to carry onboard computers, automated electronic recording devices, electronically actuated devices, power distribution modules, power conditioners, micro-processors, recording devices, electronic digital memory chips, traction control devices, digital readout gauges and the like, even if inoperable or incomplete). Keselowski had a cell phone in his race car.

All of these violations occurred during Sunday's event at PIR.

http://www.nascar.com/news/121112/nascar-penalizes-jgordon-cbowyer-bkeselowski/index.html


I was close with my predictions. Monetary fines usually include points penalties, and instead of Brad being penalized for his mouth, it's for his phone.