NASCAR in GT5!

[LSX]

Daytona is not hard to drive? Yeah, maybe on a qualifying run, but in race conditions it is very much hard to drive. The cars jump around due to the bumps and the air buffeting around the cars. Not to mention the possibility of being three wide for multiple rows of cars on a track that just is not as wide as somewhere like Talladega.

The hard part of restrictor plate racing is not getting caught up in someones mess that started 6-7 rows ahead of you, or not becoming the mess that takes everyone out due to the nature of restrictor plate racing. Which is very close and fast. Daytona is suitable for the cars, it needs to be resurfaced, which it will be soon. Without the plates the cars would be in excess of 230Mph, which when speeds like that mix with 3500lbs of car, bad things happen. Just look at how the COT handles going backwards at 185, I doubt Ryan Newman would have walked away if it happened at 220mph.

I do agree though, the cars need a motor for the plate tracks that just makes less power, not being forced to use an air restrictor that limits throttle response AND power. Which is what leads to the pile ups because no one wants to lose momentum by lifting. But perhaps the throttle response won't make lifting any better, after all, the cars aren't the most areodynamic things going maybe that would be a limiting factor.

Edit: And what I said about driving Daytona had nothing to do with the difficulty of actually being fast there. Holding it to the floor won't get you there. There are so many things to take into account. Side drafting, bump drafting, knowing when and when not to pull out of line, if your leading, knowing how to manage the cars behind you in the draft so as to keep them both stalled out and not puling up on you. Ever notice the lead car in a pack snaking up to the high line of cars and back to the low row of cars, but never fully getting in front of either? They are trying to keep both rows from getting an advantage. You can't get out too far ahead of a pack of cars, because all they will do is get a tow off the back of your car and pass you going 5Mph+ faster than you are. There really is a lot of things that need to be done right to do well restrictor plate racing, it's not a walk in the park like it may look on TV or any of the EA Sports titles.

That's why I want PD to nail this, it would be so much fun to really have to think about this stuff. I think online though is where it will really shine, I don't see the AI going rouge and being very cooperative in the draft. The speedways it won't matter as much, I have a feeling though, that the plate tracks are going to bring the most fun out of Nascar in GT5, because we can't hurt ourselves, and we will be racing closer than possible on any other tracks in GT5. I want a white knuckle thrill ride.

 

[arvin charles]

Daytona is not hard to drive? Yeah, maybe on a qualifying run, but in race conditions it is very much hard to drive. The cars jump around due to the bumps and the air buffeting around the cars. Not to mention the possibility of being three wide for multiple rows of cars on a track that just is not as wide as somewhere like Talladega.

I just came back from a TV gig at Daytona & that track impresses me every time I go there, regardless of whether I'm racing or as a member of the press.

Anyway, Daytona is fun. And this is coming from someone who's driven at Sebring & the St. Petersburg street circuit in my own car.

EDIT- I have massive respect for the people who race at Daytona as it's definitely not as easy as it is on a video game.

 

[jcmc]

I'm no great fan of NASCAR but am happy to give it a go in GT5 and be converted. It certainly makes commercial sense as sales in North America of past GT titles are well behind what it shifts in Europe and Japan.

I suppose the question I have, and apologies if this has been covered already on this thread - it's a long one and I've not been all the way through it - is how on earth 16 odd Multiplayer online will work. I can't see how you can have any sort of collision at all otherwise it will be absolute chaos, even with the best intentioned drivers.

Not played the EA games, how did they handle the Multiplayer issue ?

 

[racer612008]

Yes, the Whelen Modified series used to have a race in Daytona, but they have never ran at the Super Speedway with the cars they normally run, just the beach.

They also ran in the 1980's at Daytona,

[WIKIPEDIA]History of the NASCAR Modified division

The NASCAR Modified division was formed as part of NASCAR's creation in December 1947. NASCAR held a Modified race as its first sanctioned event on February 15, 1948, on the beach course at Daytona Beach, Florida. Red Byron won the event and 11 more races that year, and won the first NASCAR Modified Championship. [2] (The Strictly Stock division, which evolved into today's premier series Sprint Cup, did not race until 1949.) Post-World War II Modifieds were a form of "stock car" (contrasted against purpose-built AAA Championship Cars, Sprints, and Midgets) which allowed some modification, typically substitution of stronger truck parts. Most cars were pre-WWII coupes and coaches. This pattern continued through the 1960s, with aftermarket performance parts and later-model chassis (such as the 1955-57 Chevrolet's frame) becoming more common. The Modifieds became known for technical innovation, both in homebuilt parts and in adapting components from other types of vehicle. By 1970, many Modifieds featured big-block engines, fuel injection, eighteen-inch-wide rear tires, radically offset engine location, and other technology that made them faster on short tracks than any full-bodied race cars including Grand National cars.[3]
The predecessor to the NASCAR Whelen Modified Tour was NASCAR's National Modified Championship, which was determined by total points from weekly NASCAR-sanctioned races as well as a schedule of National Championship races. Parts of the northeastern and southeastern USA were hotbeds of Modified racing in the 1950s and 1960s; some racers competed five nights per week or more.[4] Often the same car was raced on both dirt and paved tracks, changing only tires and perhaps springs and shock absorbers.[3] In the late 1960s and early 1970s, the technology of dirt and pavement Modifieds diverged to make them separate types of race car. NASCAR was no longer sanctioning dirt tracks which held modified races, so the NASCAR Modified rules became the standard for asphalt Modifieds. (Starting in the early 1970s, Northeastern USA dirt Modified racetracks began to join the DIRT organization founded by Glenn Donnelly.) Most unsanctioned tracks used similar Modified rules to NASCAR's, or specified the same cars with cost-limiting rules such as smaller engines or narrow tires.
In the 1980s, it became prohibitively expensive for Modified teams to tow long distances to sixty or more races per year, including Watkins Glen International and Daytona International Speedway, Bowman Gray Stadium in Winston-Salem, NC, North Wilkesboro Speedway, and Martinsville Speedway, with the North Wilkesboro races part of the Cup weekend.
Richie Evans ran 66 NASCAR Modified features (and several unsanctioned events such as the Race of Champions) in 1984, the final year of the old system.[4] To enable more than a few teams to contend seriously for the championship, it was decided to reformat the Modified division's championship to a limited schedule of races not conflicting with one another. This change mirrored similar format changes to the Grand National (now Sprint Cup) division starting in 1972 and the Late Model Sportsman (now Nationwide Series) division starting in 1982.[/WIKIPEDIA]

 

[01GTP]

I suppose the question I have, and apologies if this has been covered already on this thread - it's a long one and I've not been all the way through it - is how on earth 16 odd Multiplayer online will work. I can't see how you can have any sort of collision at all otherwise it will be absolute chaos, even with the best intentioned drivers.

I don't remember being in any "Big One"s at Daytona online racing.
Though I have at some beginner HSR races, but that's beginners jamming up starting at turn 1 and into the esses, not braking, riding walls, etc. Video below.

I think this (not a Big One) has to do with the rolling start PD has.
The spacing between cars is not within inches, bumper to bumper to say.
If it were then the racing between 16 cars would be much closer from the start, as in an actual NASCAR race.

In NASCAR, restarts breed restarts, because of the very tight grid.
One slip on a restart (missed shift, tire spin, etc.) and it can cause havoc.
I hope they change the distance in these rolling starts, at least for NASCAR races. They must be double file too.

I have had many very tight races at Daytona and most were either with very good racers and/or friends. Of course a headset works wonders while racing so close.
It would be great to have an in-game spotter to give us some feedback in such races.

As always there will be punters and wall riders, so a penalty system will have to be implemented to help prevent this.
NASCAR is a contact sport (so to speak) so this penalty system will have to be tweaked to get it correct.
An example would be getting rammed and given a penalty as the rammer continues on. WTF.
I can see getting penalized for bump-drafting too hard, but not for normal bump-drafting
Like it or not bump-drafting is also part of the sport.
As of now the draft is too prevalent to what I see in NASCAR races, but that could be dependent of the cars used when racing.
The tuned Corvette just takes off in the draft.

I will enjoy racing NASCAR style.

http://www.vimeo.com/995510

 

[chriz92]

Wow it is the race with two corners it can only be one thing NASCAR. You have either just started your lap or just about to finish a lap because the only thing inbetween your laps are two straights dont know about you but I like a track that has exciting gradient changes hairpins where you can make or break a lap that aid overtaking etc. Sorry guys nascar just doesnt grab my attention. Maybe you could tell me why driving round an oval for x amount of laps is interesting

 

[IsmokeGT]

Wow it is the race with two corners it can only be one thing NASCAR. You have either just started your lap or just about to finish a lap because the only thing inbetween your laps are two straights dont know about you but I like a track that has exciting gradient changes hairpins where you can make or break a lap that aid overtaking etc. Sorry guys nascar just doesnt grab my attention. Maybe you could tell me why driving round an oval for x amount of laps is interesting

Maybe you can tell me the point of this post?

Why not go to a thread that talks about "a track that has exciting gradient changes hairpins where you can make or break a lap that aid overtaking" and not be negative?

 

[chriz92]

Maybe you can tell me the point of this post?

Why not go to a thread that talks about "a track that has exciting gradient changes hairpins where you can make or break a lap that aid overtaking" and not be negative?

Because I was expressing my opinion of NASCAR (I do believe I have freedom of speach otherwise this wouldnt be a forum) whilst trying to encourage a healthy debate of NASCAR'S merits and problems and maybe if you had gave me a strong counter argumeant I may of thought of NASCAR in a different light

 

[arvin charles]

Because I was expressing my opinion of NASCAR (I do believe I have freedom of speach otherwise this wouldnt be a forum) whilst trying to encourage a healthy debate of NASCAR'S merits and problems and maybe if you had gave me a strong counter argumeant I may of thought of NASCAR in a different light

I'm not a big fan of NASCAR as I much prefer the ALMS & the LMS endurance races, but I respect racing on ovals & view it as a different type of challenge, much in the same way as rallying is a different sort of challenge.

All 3 disciplines require different techniques & that's why they should be appreciated.

You don't have to like all 3, but just realize that all 3 have their different merits & challenges, which is the reason why they're in the game.

 

[IsmokeGT]

Because I was expressing my opinion of NASCAR (I do believe I have freedom of speach otherwise this wouldnt be a forum) whilst trying to encourage a healthy debate of NASCAR'S merits and problems and maybe if you had gave me a strong counter argumeant I may of thought of NASCAR in a different light

Do what you want. Be a negative person, and don't look for the good in anything you dislike.

If you need a counter arguement to like a sport, there is a problem somewhere. Do you actually need to be convinced to like something you watch on TV?

Also, healthy debates are not started in the manner you tried. Try again...

 

[Northstar]

Because I was expressing my opinion of NASCAR (I do believe I have freedom of speach otherwise this wouldnt be a forum)

Actually since this is a private forum you don't have freedom of speech. But that's for a different discussion.

Although I will give you credit for actually making a point instead of the "NASCAR sucks because it's NASCAR" statements that are normally made.

whilst trying to encourage a healthy debate of NASCAR'S merits and problems and maybe if you had gave me a strong counter argument I may of thought of NASCAR in a different light

Every form of racing has good and bad points and arguing them only leads to a pointless argument and some bruised ego's.

 

[chriz92]

I'm not a big fan of NASCAR as I much prefer the ALMS & the LMS endurance races, but I respect racing on ovals & view it as a different type of challenge, much in the same way as rallying is a different sort of challenge.

All 3 disciplines require different techniques & that's why they should be appreciated.

You don't have to like all 3, but just realize that all 3 have their different merits & challenges, which is the reason why they're in the game.

I see what you mean your describing it as a whole different dicipline that exists within motorsport and requires a totaly different skill set than open wheel racing or any other form of motorsport

 

[IsmokeGT]

I see what you mean you're describing it as a whole different dicipline that exists within motorsport and requires a totaly different skill set than open wheel racing or any other form of motorsport.

I am sorrying for assuming that everyone knows there is a difference between heavy 2-wheel drive cars on tarmac compared to light 4-wheel drive cars on dirt and snow (I won't get into open wheelers).

Sorry dude!

 

[GMTN]

Wow it is the race with two corners it can only be one thing NASCAR. You have either just started your lap or just about to finish a lap because the only thing inbetween your laps are two straights dont know about you but I like a track that has exciting gradient changes hairpins where you can make or break a lap that aid overtaking etc. Sorry guys nascar just doesnt grab my attention. Maybe you could tell me why driving round an oval for x amount of laps is interesting

Nascar has more lead changes than IRL, F1, super GT, GP2. Its far more exciting than watching the lead car almost always win the race and create a larger gap as time goes on, while the 6,7,8 cars battle out for not even a pole position. Its even more entertaining to watch pit stops in nascar because they are even more crucial when it comes to positioning and time than more motor sports. Each corner is basically an opportunity to pass, choosing the right line rewards you much greatly. Nascar is also much more difficult, cars don't even have side view mirrors and they're driving with 40+ cars surrounding them.

My advice to you,is if you don't find a full Nascar race just watch the final 15 laps.

 

[chriz92]

Nascar has more lead changes than IRL, F1, super GT, GP2. Its far more exciting than watching the lead car almost always win the race and create a larger gap as time goes on, while the 6,7,8 cars battle out for not even a pole position. Its even more entertaining to watch pit stops in nascar because they are even more crucial when it comes to positioning and time than more motor sports. Each corner is basically an opportunity to pass, choosing the right line rewards you much greatly. Nascar is also much more difficult, cars don't even have side view mirrors and they're driving with 40+ cars surrounding them.

My advice to you,is if you don't find a full Nascar race just watch the final 15 laps.

How does NASCAR go about qualifying because if you havnt gathered Im a huge F1 fan and we have 3 qualifying sessions to make up the grid ps lol no wing mirrors thats crazy

 

[chriz92]

I am sorrying for assuming that everyone knows there is a difference between heavy 2-wheel drive cars on tarmac compared to light 4-wheel drive cars on dirt and snow (I won't get into open wheelers).

Sorry dude!

ha Its cool NASCAR sounds pretty badasss the FIA the people who govern F1 are so tight on safety regulations and I think its really ruins overtaking

 

[arvin charles]

I see what you mean your describing it as a whole different dicipline that exists within motorsport and requires a totaly different skill set than open wheel racing or any other form of motorsport

I've driven the St. Petersburg street circuit, Sebring & Daytona. I'm very familiar with racing in road courses, but Daytona was something else entirely.

It really does present a different set of challenges. From the way you set up your car to the lines you take through the turns (there's a bunch of ways of going around an oval) to the way you take advantage of drafting.

I tell you what. I don't like NASCAR, but I have massive respect for the talent it takes to do that type of racing.

 

[GMTN]

How does NASCAR go about qualifying because if you havnt gathered Im a huge F1 fan and we have 3 qualifying sessions to make up the grid ps lol no wing mirrors thats crazy

Best lap time, i don't think theres a better way lol. But what makes this interesting, and i'm not sure if its the same in F1, based on the qualifying order you can choose what pits stop you want.

If you look at it this way, you could pick the pit closest to the start of the pits. Meaning you would hit the pits first, but then you have about a quater mile at around 60km/h. If you take the last sop you have the same distance to go, but a shorter distance to the exit with no cars in your way. There is so much strategy just in choosing your pit stop, every race team has their own strategies on how to approach every aspect in Nascar. I think its the only sport where pit stops are more than just a 1 or 2 stop game.

 

[djanikowski]

How does NASCAR go about qualifying because if you havnt gathered Im a huge F1 fan and we have 3 qualifying sessions to make up the grid ps lol no wing mirrors thats crazy

Each car gets its own time on the track, there is a warm up lap from the pits to the line, then they have the option of running either just one lap, or running two. Each car also has a spotter that relays them information of where the cars around them are, the spotter/crew chief/driver communication is the most important in all of motor sports, IMO.

 

[chriz92]

If you look at it this way, you could pick the pit closest to the start of the pits. Meaning you would hit the pits first, but then you have about a quater mile at around 60km/h. If you take the last sop you have the same distance to go, but a shorter distance to the exit with no cars in your way. There is so much strategy just in choosing your pit stop, every race team has their own strategies on how to approach every aspect in Nascar. I think its the only sport where pit stops are more than just a 1 or 2 stop game.

Well when...... I get GT5 I wont leave it and go director mode I will give it a go sounds like its very tactical

 

[IsmokeGT]

Each car gets its own time on the track, there is a warm up lap from the pits to the line, then they have the option of running either just one lap, or running two.

Hopefully this is implemented into online racing also. F1 style qualifying would most likely not work because most people cant sit for 3 15min sessions and a whole race. But who cant do 2 laps and a race? Granted the online races won't be 4 hours long, like real NASCAR races, but NASCAR style qualifying would be really cool (even for non-NASCAR races).

 

[GMTN]

Hopefully this is implemented into online racing also. F1 style qualifying would most likely not work because most people cant sit for 3 15min sessions and a whole race. But who cant do 2 laps and a race? Granted the online races won't be 4 hours long, like real NASCAR races, but NASCAR style qualifying would be really cool (even for non-NASCAR races).

Maybe there will be an option to do it off your best offline lap time?

 

[chriz92]

Hopefully this is implemented into online racing also. F1 style qualifying would most likely not work because most people cant sit for 3 15min sessions and a whole race. But who cant do 2 laps and a race? Granted the online races won't be 4 hours long, like real NASCAR races, but NASCAR style qualifying would be really cool (even for non-NASCAR races).

I think you could implement a NASCAR style qualifying for a every road race on the game it would make sence as every race day should have a qualifying but I suppose this would provide and inconvenience for some more arcade type players.

 

[djanikowski]

This is a good diagram of a stock car cockpit, they do have one side view mirror, but it is very small. Also, when you are in the cockpit, you cannot move your head very far side to side because of the safety equipment. http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?series=2&page=nascar101/cockpit

 

[IsmokeGT]

Maybe there will be an option to do it off your best offline lap time?

Thats all we need- A kid that gets a magic lap offline then starts on pole and ruins all 42 other guys race.

 

[GMTN]

Thats all we need- A kid that gets a magic lap offline then starts on pole and ruins all 42 other guys race.

rofl, okay scratch that.

 

[chriz92]

befor the race start everybody has 2 laps with collisions off to sort the grid out for an online race and concequently people can pick a team mate and a pit space

 

[IsmokeGT]

rofl, okay scratch that.

Well, I guess it is better than random placement on the grid. But what I hope for, not expect, is for a choice in the private lobbies for a qualifying option. How in depth this option will go is a whole other story.

 

[finnracer]

NASCARS are pretty crude and old fasioned mechanicly compared to almost all other modern motorsports(classic car races obviously not included)-Pushrod engines with carbourettors and four speed gearboxes-FOUR!!!!!! Some cars have twice that these days.

 

[CodeRedR51]

NASCARS are pretty crude and old fasioned mechanicly compared to almost all other modern motorsports(classic car races obviously not included)-Pushrod engines with carbourettors and four speed gearboxes-FOUR!!!!!! Some cars have twice that these days.

Some changes are being made in the next couple of years. Some things I have heard mentioned are Fuel injection and up sizing to 17" wheels.