NASCAR in GT5!

[Earth]

Fixed that for ya. I used to think americans just had no concept of driving, due to all the long straight highways and that would have explained sports like Nascar but then you look at classic tracks like Infineon and Laguna Seca and you realise - they do know how to do it properly it's just, for some reason, Nascar chooses not to.

I love reading your posts, your hate of NASCAR and oval racing in general as evident by several of your recent posts across gtplanet is very entertaining.

I'm guessing you've never seen a NASCAR Cup race on a road course. The cars lock up the tires all the time, they're sliding around, its a mess. The cars were designed to race on ovals and racing them on a road course is not the way to go. Alot of people at this forum are talking about how they're going to be racing the Cup cars around the Nurburgring and things...if PD gets the physics right they won't be doing that for long. These cars are absolute pigs on road courses.

NASCAR is the only racing series in the world that schedule is 90%+ ovals. This makes it unique and I hope it stays that way.

There is no one "proper" way to race. About 100 years ago when people started racing cars they looked for places to race them. Europeans decided to race on the streets therefore they went into road racing, Americans decided to build tracks based on the ovals that the horses raced on at the time.

If right turns are so important to racing, why aren't there any in track and field? Maybe they should ditch the oval the athletes run on add put in a tight twisty track with nasty hairpins.

I don't expect anything different. I made the point to counter Earths idea about filling the game with Ovals on the strength of the infield being a whole different track. Whole different boring track IMO.

I dont want to fill GT5 with ovals, I'm just saying they all have more then one layout. The infields of some of these ovals is not that great but would you not want the course at all?

And I admit - driving a Nascar round even just an oval at the speeds they do would be a total rush but, unfortunately for me, I don't get that same rush from a video game. The - not being able to die - factor kinda wrecks it for me.

I think thats one of the big differences between me and you, when I'm racing Indy at 230mph in a sim I feel the danger, the history, the prestige. When someone who is not familiar with oval racing races the same course in a video game 230mph means nothing to them and they think nothing of the 100+ years of history at Indianapolis, to them they're just driving in circles.

One of my greatest sim racing experiences was getting to drive a full size NASCAR simulator. They had 10+ full size stock cars. You step inside one, buckle up, and your whole windshield was the screen. Going through the 31 degree banking at Daytona and feeling the car tilt that much on the hydraulics was breathtaking. It was one of the most awesome feelings.

But as you mentioned this is not replicated when you race the Daytona track. When your up against the wall at Daytona, 40 feet off the ground it doesnt mean nothing to you because GT5P can't simulate how it feels or looks like the real thing.

So the basic point is when you race ovals you dont feel any danger or the speed. When I race the ovals in a game I feel the danger I've seen the incidents in real life and I feel the speed as I've seen how on edge these cars are on high speed ovals.

If we raced the Daytona road course like arvin charles has then we both would have much more respect and more of a rush from Daytona Road.

On a "proper" (and again this is only my definition of proper) road track I have lots of stuff to concentrate on. There's no fear factor or adrenaline rush to speak of it's more a kind of intellectual exercise which tracks like Laguna or Nordschleife and even the GT homebrews like Grand Valley and Trial Mountain seem to satisfy more than ovals or ovals plus infields. The two I've driven so far anyway.

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On ovals your rarely racing just the track, you have to almost constantly deal with other cars, so there is usually plenty to concentrate on.

Racers have said ovals arent that tough physically but mentally they are the most exausting tracks in the world because of the focus they require at such high speeds with cars so close.

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

I love reading your posts, your hate of NASCAR and oval racing in general as evident by several of your recent posts across gtplanet is very entertaining.

That's all I aim to do, mate. Entertain and be entertained. You prolly noticed by now - my tongue is rarely out of my cheek And if you enjoy Nascar then more power to ya. I'm sure there's a lot of stuff I like watching and doing that would send you into a coma. To each his own.

I won't ever stop mocking you for it, tho. Not while there's still a wisecrack uncracked

 

[Famine]

You do realize I did that partially just to see the drama it would cause?

Oh, and I'm taking all honors in high school next year, plan on learning Japanese, German, French, and Italian. Oh, and I'm planning on being a world-renowned author.

Oh, and I'm not even going to quote the 50-plus science books I've read. And I made the A-B Honor roll in my school.

Do, then tell. Don't plan, then boast.

Just because good old USA is better than you worthless european nations doesn't mean you gotta hate us.

Oh, and the Acceptable Use Policy to which you agreed says

You will not behave in an abusive and/or hateful manner, and will not harrass, threaten, nor attack anyone or any group.

Have a nice day.

 

[Chagen46]

Do, then tell. Don't plan, then boast.



Oh, and the Acceptable Use Policy to which you agreed says



Have a nice day.

Hm.......how come you didn't do anything when people insulted America like I insulted Europe?

I think you're not being as impartial as your job requires...

 

[Sphinx]

Hm.......how come you didn't do anything when people insulted America like I insulted Europe?

I think you're not being as impartial as your job requires...

If you see something that violates the AUP then simply report it (as yours was), and we will deal with it if there is a need to do so. Do you honestly believe that we have the time read every post created on the forum?

No need to answer the question.

 

[RACECAR]

Hm.......how come you didn't do anything when people insulted America like I insulted Europe?

I think you're not being as impartial as your job requires...

How would you know, new guy? Also, I wouldn't recommend telling a mod how they aren't doing a good job being a mod all the while, not being a mod. Not a very good way to start off being a new member.

 

[PAPPACLART]

NASCARS are pretty crude and old fasioned mechanicly compared to almost all other modern motorsports(classic car races obviously not included)-Pushrod engines with carbourettors and four speed gearboxes-FOUR!!!!!! Some cars have twice that these days.

Race cars are the product of the environment they occupy and the rules that they have to adhere to with regards to design /spec. A NASCAR is as good as it can be within the constraints of its purpose/environment and the rules/regs.

Do you know why a vehicle has gears? Having more gears does not necessarily make a vehicle better. Back in the day there were 50cc motorcycles with 14 speed gearboxes. The reason for this was that those 2stroke 50cc motors were so highly strung and revved so high, which inadvertently made the motors very 'unflexible'! These dinky motors simply required up to 9- 14 gears so that they could achieve the top speeds that they were cable of all the while acclerating to the peak within a reasonable time. The same motors with 6 gears might not be able to accelerate to 80mph as gear 1 may have been too tall to get it moving in the 1st place. A 50cc 2 stroke motor with a peak BHP @ 17000rpm does not leave much bottom or mid range toque to haul long gears so more is merrier!!

NASCAR are big grunty engines so 4 gears are more then enough. Those motors are probably flexible enough to get away with 2 gears with allot of clutch slip of course to get moving. Potentially, 1st could take one to 150mph and 2nd for top speed etc Anyway why would you want 6 gears if your ave lap speed is over 200mph?

Most road cars could get away with 4 gears as well. We only have 5-6 to give us more overtaking choices espeically if our engine is small and lacks torque. Gears are a multiplier of torque, the lower a gear the higher the multiplication = more available thrust to acclerate form one speed to another, until the speed range of that gear is reached (redline) then you change up)


PS

I am not a fan of NASCAR and I personally find it boring to watch on TV. I can appreicate that if you are a fan, then NASCAR for you can be fantastically exciting. We europeans will never get it, like many other American sports. I guess it is a cultural thing among others.

I welcome Nascar to GT, after all it is another part of the Jigsaw that is motorsport. If I am racing bumper to bumper at 230mph relying on a cunning slipstream at the right time to win a race then I am sure it will be fun.

For those that are not convinced. Try racing a bunch of Micro ecoboxes that top out @ 90mph all on an oval. It may be slow but tyring to gain an advantage over and equally slow 90mph car on a track that can swallow 230mph cars makes for some quite imaginative overtaking manouvers which occur multiple times during the race. It may be slow but requires thought and forward planning. Now go try and do that at 230mph.

If NASCAR is close when racing the AI, then it will be VERY fun and a challenge to boot!!

 

[tyl0r_r]

You do realize I did that partially just to see the drama it would cause?

Oh, and I'm taking all honors in high school next year, plan on learning Japanese, German, French, and Italian. Oh, and I'm planning on being a world-renowned author.

Oh, and I'm not even going to quote the 50-plus science books I've read. And I made the A-B Honor roll in my school.

Yeah, you're totally right. I should've known that you were only pretending to be a jackass. Entirely my fault, sir!

OH, and I graduated high school, made the Dean's list in my university last year (i.e. top 2%), *am* learning German right 🤬 now, am doing a double major in philosophy and English lit., and while I don't keep a numbered list of the books I've read like some anal retentive lunatic, I'm pretty sure I could keep up with you, mmk?


PROTIP 3: If you want to be a world renowned author (which is the aspiration of pretty much everyone who picks up a pen so get off your throne) you should read Tolstoy and learn some humility from the master.

My new question is this: what does our academic posturing have to do with the topic at hand? Absolutely nothing, except it's another arena that apparently I can p'0wn you in. Listing all your wonderful mind related qualities after posting something as rubbish as what I called you out on in the first place only makes you look that much more irresponsible and ridiculous for doing so. As has been said, "looking to create drama" = textbook definition of trolling.


/RANT

... What truly concerns me about the Nascar feature in GT5 is the size of the field. I only catch Nascar on the TV a few minutes at a time but it looks like the mass of cars really adds to the appeal. From what I've read we're going to expect 26 or so? I don't know the number but is it enough to bring out that feeling when there's 3 and 4 wide or will it end up like Prologue races where there's often 1/2 rabbits and a couple of little duels followed by a big trail group?

 

[CodeRedR51]

Can't wait to take one of these around Laguna Seca or Fuji. Gonna be good times. 👍

 

[Earth]

Can't wait to take one of these around Laguna Seca or Fuji. Gonna be good times. 👍

If NR2003 are as real to life as they say, these cars aren't very fun to race on roadcourses. Challenging, yes, and challenging can be fun in itself but this car takes it to the next level. Unresponsive, sluggish, super long braking distances, easy to lock the tires up, unstable around quick flat bends, just a mess. The current car makes fast turns with one wheel hanging up in the air the body roll is so bad and the center of gravity is so high. Challenging yes, but fun, to me, no.

When I'm roadcourse racing in GT5 I wont be driving stock cars thats for sure. Maybe once a season in some sort of League race but thats it. When I road course race I want a car that handles and feels at home on a roadcourse.

Thats one of the reasons why Indycars of the 90s is my favorite racing series of all time, not NASCAR, because unlike NASCAR those cars can handle road courses and ovals.

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

Thats one of the reasons why Indycars of the 90s is my favorite racing series of all time

Yeap, me too, was watching that whenever I could, even on mondays (when I should've been at school )


However I like the NASCAR road racing too, maybe not fun to drive, but sure fun to watch.

To all the people who think oval racing is boring: you should actually watch one ( preferably on a highspeed oval ) and from the start to the end, not just five minutes and say "boring!"... it's like a good football match, drama all the way. 👍
( I don't even like football )

 

[McLaren]

There is no one "proper" way to race. About 100 years ago when people started racing cars they looked for places to race them. Europeans decided to race on the streets therefore they went into road racing, Americans decided to build tracks based on the ovals that the horses raced on at the time.

To be really technical, racing had actually started very shortly after petrol started being used in both Europe & America. And looking through history, your comment is actually backwards. Europeans were road racing long before they started street racing. However, oval racing & drag strips were the other way, born from moonshiners & people running down unpopulated highways & what not in the 40's.

 

[CodeRedR51]

If NR2003 are as real to life as they say, these cars aren't very fun to race on roadcourses. Challenging, yes, and challenging can be fun in itself but this car takes it to the next level. Unresponsive, sluggish, super long braking distances, easy to lock the tires up, unstable around quick flat bends, just a mess. The current car makes fast turns with one wheel hanging up in the air the body roll is so bad and the center of gravity is so high. Challenging yes, but fun, to me, no.

So!?

Just because it's going to be boring for you doesn't mean it's going to be boring for the rest of us. I, for one, can't wait to give it a shot.

 

[smoke1485]

sounds like all the trolls and haters on this board are just jealous that all their f1, v8 supercar, indy car heroes and more go to nascar and get either kicked out or humbled to the point of saying that it is the most exciting and toughest racing that they have ever done.

 

[subsonic]

Why a lot of people criticizes Nascar whiout watch it? Oval are boring, the same sentence..👎
Nascar is the most competitive and funny championship. (my opinion)

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

I did watch it one night. Whole race, start to finish, just to see what all the fuss was about. It didn't do it for me I'm afraid but I am prepared to concede that it might be fun to actually play if it's done right. Kinda like how I find golf boring as crap to watch on teevee but it's okay to actually play.

Unfortunately the only experience I have racing on ovals is GT5p in non-Nas-cars and it sucked the sweat off a dead man's butt from where I was sitting.

 

[chepe371]

Hey, I used to hate NASCAR too, my favorite race types used to be WRC, F1, and FIA GT.

And I posted that just to see the drama it would cause.

Bro your moms needs to give you a hug or something, and if you are WHITE then your ancestors are from EUROPE. And your beloved America wouldn't be much without the European(and Wordly) cultures that preceded it.

I hope you got a trophy for the books you read, maybe Mein Kampf was one of them, because you seem big on bigotry.

Now how much drama will this cause?....

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

YAY! Godwins law proven ITT!

 

[cletus 669]

You do realize I did that partially just to see the drama it would cause?

Oh, and I'm taking all honors in high school next year, plan on learning Japanese, German, French, and Italian. Oh, and I'm planning on being a world-renowned author.

Oh, and I'm not even going to quote the 50-plus science books I've read. And I made the A-B Honor roll in my school.

For someone who is so "book smart" you sure are dumb when it comes to propper behavior on this forum. I guess the AUP was not on your reading list?

 

[Famine]

Hm.......how come you didn't do anything when people insulted America like I insulted Europe?

I think you're not being as impartial as your job requires...

I got married in California, have vacationed in Nevada and New York and plan (hey, plans are valid, apparently) to move to Oregon.


Your move.

 

[Neal]

YAY! Godwins law proven ITT!

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."

I've just had my wife laughing about the Nazi comment as we've not long heard Godwins Law being discussed on QI (Stephen Fry quiz show)

Technically this arguement should now be over

 

[CodeRedR51]

I did watch it one night. Whole race, start to finish, just to see what all the fuss was about.

Which track? If you say California or Michigan, then I can see why you were turned off. Watch a Bristol race, or Daytona, Talladega, etc.

 

[Northstar]

Which track? If you say California or Michigan, then I can see why you were turned off. Watch a Bristol race, or Daytona, Talladega, etc.

How could you leave out New Hampshire.

 

[CodeRedR51]

How could you leave out New Hampshire.

Yeah, that one too.

 

[PAPPACLART]

I got married in California, have vacationed in Nevada and New York and plan (hey, plans are valid, apparently) to move to Oregon.


Your move.

He even says 'Vacationed' instead of 'Holidayed' which I find offensive being an Englishman.

I am waiting you to say you are buying an 'aprartment'!!

 

[FishforRent]

I don't think that PD (or for that matter GTP) fully understood what bringing NASCAR into the GT fold, REALLY meant.

"Gentlemen, Start your engines............."

(except for you Chagen, your class is dismissed)

 

[Famine]

He even says 'Vacationed' instead of 'Holidayed' which I find offensive being an Englishman.

I am waiting you to say you are buying an 'aprartment'!!

I can speak American. They'll have to wrest the -ise suffix from my cold, dead hands though.

 

[Chagen46]

Yeah, you're totally right. I should've known that you were only pretending to be a jackass. Entirely my fault, sir!

OH, and I graduated high school, made the Dean's list in my university last year (i.e. top 2%), *am* learning German right f-ing now, am doing a double major in philosophy and English lit., and while I don't keep a numbered list of the books I've read like some anal retentive lunatic, I'm pretty sure I could keep up with you, mmk?

Great.

Except, you know, I'm fourteen and in the eight grade. I obviously couldn't do all those things if I wanted to, you snobby brit.

Dumbass tea-drinker.

My new question is this: what does our academic posturing have to do with the topic at hand? Absolutely nothing, except it's another arena that apparently I can p'0wn you in.

Because you assumed I was culturally illiterate, and as such, I presented a counter-arguement, which you so beutifully ignored, it's almost jaw-dropping as to how exactly you managed to graduate high school with an IQ that low.

Listing all your wonderful mind related qualities after posting something as rubbish as what I called you out on in the first place only makes you look that much more irresponsible and ridiculous for doing so. As has been said, "looking to create drama" = textbook definition of trolling.

Irregardless of what you say, I stated nothing more than absolute truths; I never lie. DOn't believe me if you want to, but I'm pretty much the smartest person in my school.

And, as I said, I'm fourteen. Why the hell would I not be overly obnoxious?

PROTIP 3: If you want to be a world renowned author (which is the aspiration of pretty much everyone who picks up a pen so get off your throne) you should read Tolstoy and learn some humility from the master.

What? I'm on a high throne? You're the one who flipped out when I made a joke.

lol.

Dumbass.

Bro your moms needs to give you a hug or something, and if you are WHITE then your ancestors are from EUROPE. And your beloved America wouldn't be much without the European(and Wordly) cultures that preceded it.

I hope you got a trophy for the books you read, maybe Mein Kampf was one of them, because you seem big on bigotry.

Now how much drama will this cause?....

I know my ancestors are from Europe, my dad told me my ancestors were from Poland and Lithuania.

Big on bigotry? I WAS MAKING A JOKE FOR GOD'S SAKE!

For someone who is so "book smart" you sure are dumb when it comes to propper behavior on this forum. I guess the AUP was not on your reading list?

I'm 14, and have ADHD.

Not all smart people are calm and collected, you know.

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

Ooooooooh its the assburgers troll. Haven't seen that one in ages. Good luck!

 

[Chagen46]

Okay, seriously, can we just end this? I don't wanna get banned.

Sorry for all the drama, didn't think it'd be that bad....

Man, I always screw up on forums....