NASCAR in GT5!

[Track_Veteran]

Going back a dozen posts or so.....

Re: Lack of Dodge cars.
Does anyone remember how performing racing modifications on a Ford Taurus would turn it into a stock car?
Perhaps the racing modifications might work that way again for the showroom Dodge cars.
It might be a work around if a team didn't sign on.

Thoughts?

 

[MustangRyan]

im not fond of nascar....its my own personal belief that the space they used for nascar on the disk should have been used for more cars or more track...

How much room do you think one to three car models (depends on whether they actually modeled the chevys differently than the toyotas and fords, or all as the same generic shape) with likely identical stats, interiors, and sounds really take up in the grand scheme of things? I don't think the different paint schemes for identically modeled cars is going to take up a lot of space.

 

[awr117]

im not fond of nascar....its my own personal belief that the space they used for nascar on the disk should have been used for more cars or more track...

Good thing GT isn't created under your personal beliefs

 

[djanikowski]

How much room do you think one to three car models (depends on whether they actually modeled the chevys differently than the toyotas and fords, or all as the same generic shape) with likely identical stats, interiors, and sounds really take up in the grand scheme of things? I don't think the different paint schemes for identically modeled cars is going to take up a lot of space.

While I agree with your overall point, the different makes have all been modeled separately, including their own interiors, you can see this in the 18MP photo mode screens released some time ago. But I am not sure if PD has recorded sounds from the different engines, and given them all different specs, as in real life, or if they have just used one sound and one general specification.

 

[smoke1485]

Would be sweet if a race modded challenger turned into a nationwide challenger.

 

[Big Stig]

Going back a dozen posts or so.....

Re: Lack of Dodge cars.
Does anyone remember how performing racing modifications on a Ford Taurus would turn it into a stock car?
Perhaps the racing modifications might work that way again for the showroom Dodge cars.
It might be a work around if a team didn't sign on.

Thoughts?

Yeah, but if I remember the modded Taurus was a "stock car" in name only--just a FWD race car, not RWD like the real deal.

Race mods to the Challenger might be mainly cosmetic as well. Since the Challenger is a premium car, PD would've had to model the inside of a Challenger Nationwide car as well. Don't think they did that, unless they plan on surprising us...

 

[JohnBM01]

Let me just say to a fellow John (Post #1170)... NASCAR may not be as well-liked among many people. However, it is a distinctive and legitimate motorsport, and that's why it is featured. I'd personally love sportscar racing, but I'm not afraid to do a little NASCAR. NASCAR is not a waste of space. These cars just take some getting used to and some practice to race these greatly. In fact, NASCAR is as different a motorsport as truck (as in the big rig trucks) racing, as different as rally racing, and as differnt as something we like to call... Formula 1.

Distinctive, unique, chellenging. NASCAR has a place in GT5. Another thing to note is that you have to admit NASCAR is a great way to demonstrate the damage model for Gran Turismo 5. I've screwed up a few stock cars when I did my GT5 demo runs. It is NOT easy hulking around a 3400 lb. (too lazy to do a kilogram conversion) race car around an oval or around a road/street course. That's what adds to the challenge of racing these things. These are not supposed to be the world's most capable and powerful cars. Remember- I care more about road racing and sportscar racing than I do NASCAR. However, I do respect NASCAR for what it provides as a motorsport and as a viable racing challenge. Just like I say in my YouTube work- you don't have to like NASCAR, but (at least) respect NASCAR.

Having said this... it's going to be quite interesting racing stock cars in one of the greatest racing game franchises of all time- Gran Turismo 5.

 

[McSmith]

Can someone explain to me where the fun is in driving circles all the time in cars that all look the same??

 

[zeek1597]

If your a true racing fan you like any motor sport.

 

[djanikowski]

If your a true racing fan you like any motor sport.

+1:tup:

 

[Spacegoat]

If your a true racing fan you like any motor sport.

+2 I've never understood all the Nascar hate out there.

 

[BrninRubber]

I think PD should branch out and create a NASCAR edition of Gran Turismo with all of the NASCAR track and a 43 car field.

I agree!

 

[Big Stig]

I think PD should branch out and create a NASCAR edition of Gran Turismo with all of the NASCAR track and a 43 car field.

There's no way PD would ever attempt a GT: NASCAR game unless 90% of the cars were Skylines.

 

[JohnBM01]

Just to state another argument... to people who say "what's the fun in driving around in circles with cars that all look the same," I would say that despite the fact they run mostly ovals (I'd prefer more road courses, but nobody gives a damn what I think), this is a series that mostly comes down to the driver. You may as well knock the IndyCar Series for having the same-looking cars (until the whole 2012 package comes along), and they do both oval racing and road racing.

Another thing... refrain from using "circles" to describe ovals. The Nardo Ring is a circle. The oval courses in NASCAR are ovals. NOT circles. Remember that I'm no NASCAR fanatic. I'm just speaking out of respect for NASCAR as a sportscar racing fan. My defenses of NASCAR are on the merits that this is a proper and legitimate motorsport with its own flair. It's as distinctive as karting, drag racing, Formula 1, rally racing, and stuff like that. That's why we have NASCAR in GT5. There have even been people in the GT4 times who envisioned seeing stock car racing in the GT series. Well, now we got it. Now we can put stock cars through their paces in the Gran Turismo realm. If anything, it's an epic win for us GT fans.

Don't have to like NASCAR, but at least respect it. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Sportscar_Rob]

+2 I've never understood all the Nascar hate out there.

Me neither, most people who badmouth NASCAR never bothered to watch a full race and try to understand the complex strategy and setup work that is involved.

And the myth that racing on ovals is "easy" should be rebuked by the long list of accomplished road racers who failed becoming decent NASCAR drivers - Juan Pablo Montoya being the notable exception, but even he hasn't won an oval race in four seasons.

 

[xNEVER-ONEx]

Me neither, most people who badmouth NASCAR never bothered to watch a full race and try to understand the complex strategy and setup work that is involved.

And the myth that racing on ovals is "easy" should be rebuked by the long list of accomplished road racers who failed becoming decent NASCAR drivers - Juan Pablo Montoya being the notable exception, but even he hasn't won an oval race in four seasons.

I was actually one of those ignorant people who thought NASCAR was boring and easy, but when you actually watch the races, they are so much more exciting than say F1. How many times do you see neck to neck racing in F1? Only time anybody ever passes anybody in F1 is if either they are in the pit, or they some sort of malfunction/crash.

 

[Sportscar_Rob]

Definetely, NASCAR is one of the most exciting forms of motorsport out there.

Just look at how many different drivers win races during a season, I don't know any other series where so many drivers are in contention to win races. In most series, it's 4-6 guys tops...

 

[xNEVER-ONEx]

I think NASCAR's biggest drawback are the cars. I wish they would actually use "true" stock cars, like take Mustangs/Challengers/Camaros and with GT type modifications.

 

[Sam48]

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[xNEVER-ONEx]

Ya, with aero similiar to the Challenger's, kind of like the Super GT aeros. That would be so cool. NASCAR cars right now are super dull. TThe 70s used have cool cars, but I dont want cookie cutter bodies.

 

[Zuel]

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Now that would be a great battle between the Dodge and the FT-86. The Ford and Chevy look like toy cars compared to the others. Mainly the Dodge, Wow I must say they really want to get it. Ford Chevy you need to get on the ball.

Now back to the main topic. Form what I under stand Ford is planning to move the Mustang up to the Sprint Cup from the Nation Wide. Do you think it would possible for an update that may change some of the current cars?

 

[People_Know_Me]

This is the coolest concept pic I've seen yet for a NASCAR car:

 

[SavageWhiteDude]

Definetely, NASCAR is one of the most exciting forms of motorsport out there.

Just look at how many different drivers win races during a season, I don't know any other series where so many drivers are in contention to win races. In most series, it's 4-6 guys tops...

I'm no fan of NASCAR but I'm sure I'll enjoy the races in GT5. I would have much preferred them go with a different series like the Aus V8's or ALMS but I know why they chose NASCAR. The rights are easy to obtain relative to other forms of racing and this is going to be a huge sales booster in the NA region.

 

[Harley45]

I'm so glad NASCAR is in GT5 , haing followed the sport for many a Year and thanks to the www i've now been able too actually see most of the Races for the last 4 years .

Watching 43 Cars bump drafting at Daytona at over 180/190 for the first time back in 2006 made me jump out of my seat .

Having it in GT5 and knowing the Skill that Kaz and his team have put into this Version of GT5 has only made my Lust for this game even greater 👍

 

[01GTP]

On the topic of same looking cars and why.

From 2000
http://nascar.about.com/library/weekly/aa031400a.htm

From 2001
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/auto-racing/nascar/nascar-basics/nascar-car-of-tomorrow.htm/printable
Quoted from the link above.
Up next, we'll look at how the Car of Tomorrow is leveling the playing field for all teams competing in the NASCAR series -- regardless of whether they're sporting Toyota or Dodge decals.

Production and Standardization


Streeter Lecka/Getty Images
The Car of Tomorrow cockpit boasts a number of safety improvements over the old model.
With the inception of the Car of Tomorrow, the cars used by each of the different teams are much more standardized across the board, making NASCAR more like spec racing than ever before. Spec racing is a form of competition where drivers compete in nearly identical vehicles. When every car on the track is prepared in the same way, the race becomes more about driver skill than engineering and who has the most money to build the best race car.

The Car of Tomorrow can also be seen as a cost-saving measure for the competing teams. In previous years, NASCAR teams had to build several different cars for the various tracks on the NASCAR circuit. They built different cars for short tracks, road courses and super-speedways. The Car of Tomorrow uses the same frame, roll cage and body for all different types of race tracks. Of course, most teams do have more than one car; mainly because there's always a chance that the driver may destroy one during practice or qualifying.

But critics argue that building the new car was a multimillion-dollar investment for racing teams -- as they had to discard all of their old cars in favor of the new design -- and they won't actually benefit from the reduction in costs for years to come.

At the same time, many fans contend that making the cars more or less the same takes away from NASCAR's "run what you brung" days where a variety of vehicles raced against each other. Many fans have said that they don't want to see a spec racing series, but instead want a race where there's a reason a Dodge can beat a Ford, or vice versa.

From 2006
http://www.racelinecentral.com/CarofTomorrow.htm
Quote from above link.
The new design of the Nextel Cup's "car of tomorrow," like this Dodge Avenger unveiled at the 2008 Detroit auto show, will eventually yield safer, more competitive—and less expensive—racing. (Photograph by Jim Dunne)

This season, astute race fans are noticing something different about champion Jimmie Johnson’s Nextel Cup car. Aside from the paint, headlights, grille and number decals, his Chevy looks exactly the same as Matt Kenseth’s Ford, Juan Pablo Montoya’s Dodge—even Michael Waltrip’s Toyota. It’s been a long time since Cup cars bore much of a physical or mechanical resemblance to their namesakes. However, up until this year, the race cars did look different from each other. A NASCAR Dodge didn’t look a lot like the production model, but a fan could never mistake it for a Monte Carlo. Now, that’s all changed.

Beginning with 16 races this year and expanding to 26 races in ’08 and the full season in ’09, NASCAR’s premier series is essentially a “spec” series. In other words, the cars are basically identical except for their engines—all built to the same exacting specifications. It’s taken NASCAR five years to create the blueprint for the new racer, which it has dubbed “the Car of Tomorrow.” Its purpose is threefold: Increase safety, reduce costs and provide closer competition—with racer protection topping the list. According to NASCAR communications director Kerry Tharp: “From the very beginning of this project, the Car of Tomorrow has been all about improving driver safety.” The new vehicle is, essentially, a big crash-survival cocoon.

From NASCAR.com 2006
The Car of Tomorrow is the culmination of a five-year design program being conducted at NASCAR's Research and Development Center in Concord, N.C. Of primary significance are safety innovations; performance and competition; and cost efficiency for teams.


I say that NASCAR has done what they think is correct and I applaud them for it.
I don't care which type of car wins I want to see competitive racing and NASCAR is the most competitive racing I watch.

I watch quite a few series too.
Sorry for the long post.

 

[PatriotRacer]

The game doesn't have more then eleven NASCAR cars it appears. So we will have some repeats with strange colors.

Lets hope we can get a stock "NASCAR" car and be able to change the color, and number at least . . . maybe. Doubtful, no proof.

I wish Dodge had their NASCAR car in the game. That's a let down.

Not many tracks either.

 

[SUfan21]

What a complete and utter letdown. Only 11 (wtf?!) NASCAR cars and 2 tracks. They would have been better off if they scrapped it altogether. What good is a NASCAR race with 11 cars? You mean to tell me they could only get 11 cars licensed? Thats pathetic. What exactly has PD been doing all this time?

 

[sems4arsenal]

I am not the biggest NASCAR fan but c'mon only 2 Tracks ?

 

[01GTP]

I am not the biggest NASCAR fan but c'mon only 2 Tracks ?

I guess we will know for sure in 2 weeks.

 

[RACECAR]

In case you guys haven't noticed, its Gran Turismo, not NASCAR 2010. You want all the NASCAR tracks and all the cars, then get NASCAR 2011 when it come out in February. They never promised a whole NASCAR game, only an inclusion.