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I was watching most of the race, but had to turn off with about 30 laps to go.. At the time, Denny Hamlin, Dale Jr. and Kyle Busch were trading positions at the top - could anyone tell me where they ended up?

Dale Jr. ended 2nd.

Denny Hamlin ended 22nd.

Kyle Bush 25th because of a late race spin and then getting caught a lap down.

All in all, great race. Next up is the Truck race today at 11 est. ^_^

Did anyone besides me see all the superior saves from plowing bump drafts and what could've been huge wrecks ended up nothing happening? The drivers showed insane skills yesterday.

Is Nascar still boring? chupopopopopo! I didn't think so.
 
Shame... The Gibbs cars ran at the sharp end for most of the race, it seemed - yet finished nowhere.

Did anyone besides me see all the superior saves from plowing bump drafts and what could've been huge wrecks ended up nothing happening? The drivers showed insane skills yesterday.

I was impressed. Kurt Busch's backwards trip was amazing - especially how he so casually returned to the track while recovering from the snap-back.

Is Nascar still boring? chupopopopopo! I didn't think so.

My only gripe is that is appears the first 80% of the race don't really matter for the final result. Their only purpose appears to be a survival-race and "practice session" to fine-tune the car... Denny Hamlin showed us last year how you can lead 381 laps, yet lose it all in the remaining 19 (though, that holds true to F1's Felipe Massa at Hungary - engine-failure with 3 laps to go). I've often watched a whole race, but the winner was quite often not even close to the front during the majority of the race.
 
Yellow line rule = pointless

If I am not mistaken, it was created to prevent stuff like this from happening. Well, it's happening anyway.
 
Restrictor plate racing is a large part of why I lost interest in Nascar. The drivers simply have to run too close together,if they ease off throttle just a little there done.Put the control back in the hands of the driver.
 
To-yo-ta! Mike Skinner won the NASCAR Camping World Truck Series race at Kansas as it was shortened due to inclement weather. Congratulations to Mike Skinner on this win.
 
Did anyone besides me see all the superior saves from plowing bump drafts and what could've been huge wrecks ended up nothing happening? The drivers showed insane skills yesterday.

Is Nascar still boring? chupopopopopo! I didn't think so.

I am a Jeff Burton fan and did notice a lot of bump drafting saves, minus Burton and Kyle Bush.
I was extremely impressed with the 31 crew for replacing, 1st the battery, 2nd the alternator, then retightening an alternator bolt, going 3 laps down and then competing for the win untill the 09 pushed Edwards to the lead.

Great racing.
 
The drivers simply have to run too close together,if they ease off throttle just a little there done.Put the control back in the hands of the driver.

Thats exactly what the late great Dale Earnhardt said. 👍
He also said,along with others,take the plates off and just let these damn cars go.

43 cars all within 3-4 seconds of each other is a major ingredient for something bad to happen,and it always does happen.Let them go,the field will seperate,thus reducing the risk of somebody getting a little lose and taking out half the field.
 
Exactly, some teams/ drivers dont run up front for a reason. When the cars are all packed that tight stuff happens.Let the field spread out give the cars some throttle response and the racing will come alive. Not a multi million dollar merry go round.
 
Big fail to roof flaps.

If you mean to say it being the reason for Edwards to flip I'd have to disagree. They did their job for the most part. Yeah he spun around and caught a bit of air going 190mph backwards but if you look closely his car is on it's way to coming down but then Newman gets under the car and punts it thus having the end result.
 
Big fail to roof flaps.


Funny how you've fail to notice the cars take off was assisted by the hit from another car, not the Roof flaps failing to deploy. If you would have actually observed it closely, you would see that the car was coming back down before Newman hit it.
 
Edwards' car started to come up before being hit in the rear. I suppose you didn't watch the Nationwide race either?



NASCAR should go back and look at improving the roof flaps. And, if you didn't understand the first time...

FAIL

for roof flaps.
 
It definitely was a fail for the roof flaps, but I think there might be something to look into also as both cars were built by the same team. Yes I am saying Roush-Fenway Racing may be doing something with the roof flaps to gain speed.

Edit: Also, I just watched the Kenseth flip closely and it appears they didn't open until after he was already almost on it's side. Aren't they supposed to go up when the car starts to spin?
 
Yes, when the air flow is reversed like in a spin, the force from the air should push the roof flap open. We don't need scenes like this anymore:



Errrr! Stay out of Sr.'s way! :lol:
 
Edwards' car started to come up before being hit in the rear. I suppose you didn't watch the Nationwide race either?



Nope, didn't see the nationwide race and don't understand how that has to do anything with the cup race. Ths rear of the car went in the air and was coming down then it got hit, sending it into the fence. I responding to what looked like you blaming the roof flaps for the car taking off.
 
Edwards' car started to come up before being hit in the rear.

I don't know if you payed attention to both of our posts but we said if you'd look closely, yes the car was already in the air, but the car was just on its way down RIGHT before Newman hit him and actually launched the car. Yes, Edwards' car did indeed liftoff on its own but it was coming down right before Newman hit him and I hardly believe the roof flaps could prevent a car hitting it from underneath to launch the car.

Also, I have no idea if it made the difference whether or not the car would flip or not in the Nationwide race but I did not see him countersteer at all before he began to flip... Kind of odd I thought it was near second nature for a race car driver to countersteer? *shrug*
 
I think the disagreement stems from our differing opinions about what constitutes the roof flaps "working." I, RACECAR, and Blackbird. all think that they are doing their job if they keep the car from flipping, regardless of whether the car becomes partially airborne first. You seem to think that the flaps need to keep the car planted on the ground, which seems an unrealistic thing to ask of them.
 
It definitely was a fail for the roof flaps, but I think there might be something to look into also as both cars were built by the same team. Yes I am saying Roush-Fenway Racing may be doing something with the roof flaps to gain speed.

If I remember correctly the innovation and development of the roof flaps was from Roush Racing.
I'm sure NASCAR's safety team will look further into this past weekends crashes.

Imagine the comments if the 99 car reached the grandstands.
How many would have died?
 
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This will be the only time I'll get on the crash deal.

If it did go into the grandstands, it would have been the American version of the 1955 24 Hours of Le Mans and that horrific accident. The roof flaps did all they could. It's just not easy grounding a car that goes 185+ mph and weighing 3400 lbs. I don't know a "quick fix" answer to this. I just don't.
 
The roof-flaps did all they could - and they succeeded (Edwards was falling back down - the hit from the other car is what sent him flying into the fence). The Catch-fencing did all it could, and it succeeded. Nobody got killed, despite the fact that this accident was absolutely a worst-case scenario.

I know a guy on another forum who was on the grandstands, meters away from the scene of the crash. He wrote he's never buying front-row tickets for a restrictor-race again - but also noted the fence's effectiveness, and explained what and how the flaps worked.
 
This will be the only time I'll get on the crash deal.

If it did go into the grandstands, it would have been the American version of the 1955 24 Hours of Le Mans and that horrific accident. The roof flaps did all they could. It's just not easy grounding a car that goes 185+ mph and weighing 3400 lbs. I don't know a "quick fix" answer to this. I just don't.

Well the quickest fix would be to make the catch fence taller which they are probably going to do in the coming weeks. Currently the catch fence is 14 feet.

Also a IRL car went over the fence in 1999 at Lowe's killing 3 people, prompting them to make the catch fence 21 feet instead of 15.
 
I remember that (then) IRL race. This was when I wasn't really into that series. That was a terrible incident. The series hasn't raced there since, I believe.

This weekend of racing will be at Richmond on Saturday night. Good luck to all the teams competing in Richmond. Now to go off-topic a bit. Speaking of NASCAR (since I'm considering this an all-NASCAR thread), NASCAR Mexico cancelled the race at San Luis Potosi due to fears of the swine flu. I just pray for everyone's safety in this deal.
 
Kind of surprised they didn't just do what they did with the soccer games and just not have any fans there. Than again it takes a lot more people to run a race than a soccer match.
 
Kind of surprised they didn't just do what they did with the soccer games and just not have any fans there. Than again it takes a lot more people to run a race than a soccer match.

Thats what they should do.

There should be a mandatory distance between the fence and the fans

The last laps of Daytona are really bad, fans get right up next to the fence on the start straight

Notice turn 4 at Indy how far back the fans are. I think there aren't any grandstands there because alot of crashes happen there. I've seen alot of debri go over the fence there and land harmlessly onto grass because there was nobody there.

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Also roof flaps need to be looked into. Newman did launch Edwards, but the Nationwide race flip was alarming. If the car had any grass to dig into it would have been alot worst. Props to the track owners for paving that area. I think when Elliot Sadler flipped in the same place it had grass
 
Also roof flaps need to be looked into

Absolutely. There is some willful blindness in some who believe the flaps did what they were supposed to do. To have Edward's car lift up by itself with flaps deployed and total failure for Kenseth's car is unacceptable in my opinion.
 
Whats wrong with the Cup car roof flaps? If Newman wasn't there, Edwards would of just hit the Safer barrier on the way back down.

I dont understand why you think the flaps should keep a car going backwards perfectly planted at 190mph
 
It would help if Scaff were here, but I, even with my limited knowledge in physics, still think that, in order to prevent cars from lifting at all, the flaps would have to be much larger than they currently are. Such flaps might be too big to continue to stay concealed on the CoT.
 
Kyle Busch is a birthday boy tonight. And he's also the winner at Richmond tonight. Congratulations to Kyle Busch.


UNOFFICIAL STANDINGS:
01 - Kyle Busch
02 - Tony Stewart
03 - Jeff Burton
04 - Ryan Newman
05 - Mark Martin



Only him and Cale Y. are the only ones to win a NASCAR Cup race(?) on their birthday. Up next- Darlington at night! "Darling" may be in its name, but be Darlington's darling, and she'll make you regret being too friendly with her.
 
Aerodynamically, the flaps are working fine. You can't prevent the car from EVER leaving the ground on a spin, other than keeping the flaps open at all times or creating a new design that creates no lift in the first place, which isn't possible. Since you can't do that, you have the flaps we have now: As soon as air hits the car from behind, it also hits the flaps' edge, causing them to deploy. The flaps lift, block airflow over the car, and stop the aerodynamic lift. Car lands.

A NASCAR body might generate downforce while traveling forwards, but the shape inherently creates lift when travelling backwards. This is due to air hitting the car and travelling over and under the car at different speeds, dictated by their shapes - and a NASCAR's shape is generally that of a wing. Airflow over the car is thus faster, and creates low pressures sucking even these 3400 pound behemoths upwards. The only thing possible to prevent that would be blocking airflow over the car, thus restabilizing the pressures between the two sides - this is exactly what the flaps do. The only purely-mechanical way to do it is the current setup: The flaps slightly protrude over the rear window and so, when the air hits the car backwards (such as after a spin), the airflow throws them up - a process that takes about half a second, sometimes slightly more. This delay is inherent to a purely aerodynamically-actuated system. You can shorten that by lengthening the flaps, making the protrude a bit more - at the expense of aerodynamic efficiency when going forwards, and it'll look a bit silly. An electronic system could do that faster, but I don't know how keen NASCAR's governing body would be to have relatively expensive sets of sensors and computers on board to calculate the angle of a spin and such.

I wonder, SolidFro. When you complain about the roof-flaps, do you have any aerodynamic knowledge or understanding to support your claims that they failed to do their duty? Do you even realize that the car started sinking once the flaps deployed, and that Newman's nudge was what launched Carl into the air?
 
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Well the quickest fix would be to make the catch fence taller which they are probably going to do in the coming weeks. Currently the catch fence is 14 feet.

Also a IRL car went over the fence in 1999 at Lowe's killing 3 people, prompting them to make the catch fence 21 feet instead of 15.

Why? He didn't go over the fence, did he?;)

Whats wrong with the Cup car roof flaps? If Newman wasn't there, Edwards would of just hit the Safer barrier on the way back down.

I dont understand why you think the flaps should keep a car going backwards perfectly planted at 190mph

I noticed in the video that the roof flaps came up, Edwards caught air, he began to come down when Newmwn hit him, sending him into the fence.

Kyle Busch is a birthday boy tonight. And he's also the winner at Richmond tonight. Congratulations to Kyle Busch.

🤬

psst... It's Carl, we're not talking about MotoGP. Colin Edwards in the air would be very painful.:sly:
 
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