Nascar type cars.

[JohnBM01]

Sports are boring even if you live in the home state of the 2005 NCAA Basketball champs, the North Carolina Tar Heels? Their football team knocked off Miami and North Carolina State in upsets this past season.

NASCAR is turning into a "stick-and-ball" sport. Look at Shane Hmiel abusing the Substance Abuse policy for a second time. I think a few drivers failed drug tests or whatever. Oh, and let's not forget the "Chase to the Cup." We lost another motorsport (in some people's minds). Oh well, nothing NASCAR nowadays can provide. I'd even want to go back into time to see Richard Petty win #1 or even #200. The cars are too much like street cars in terms of weight and performance. Only thing is with the recent ones, are "stock" cars race cars, race cars that wish they were street cars, or overhyped race cars of usually dull production cars? I bet the guys in the paddock still ask that question each day. I'll even race a New Beetle Cup Car than a "stock" car.

 

[EvilToast]

sorry nascrap gives me diahrrea so i think it should be in gt5.

 

[duke_toaster]

sorry nascrap gives me diahrrea so i think it shouldn't be in gt5.

I can tolerate it, but not too much. no more than 5 minutes per race and it's only any good with damage. NASCAR style car should be in, but you can bet your boots Montegi will be featured. Talladega, Lauzitzring, Indy, Rockingham and Bristol, with damage, would be intresting.

 

[NSX-R]

Watching NASCAR is like starring at your toliet when flushing!(hint)
I think NASCAR is overated and trivialized in many ways...heck, turn on your tv and flip to SPEED, 90% of the chances you will get NASCAR NATION or whatever that show is called, and listen to a few guys talking about obvious racing facts with southern accents...

We need a break from National Association of Stock Car Auto Racing!

 

[DeadlyFred]

Sports are boring even if you live in the home state of the 2005 NCAA Basketball champs, the North Carolina Tar Heels? Their football team knocked off Miami and North Carolina State in upsets this past season.

Two teams in two sports I can't stand.

 

[a6m5]

Go Heels! 👍

 

[Tornado]

You play the boring card, but the sport that is apparently god to everyone (Formula 1) is exciting? Formula 1 hasn't been exciting since 1997. How do I know this? I watch Formula 1. I watch Nascar. I watch IRL. Pretty much the only motorsport I don't watch is CART. Hell, I even try to get DTM races. Regardless of whether or not the only exciting thing on some tracks in NASCAR is crashes (and although it is vastly overrated), what is exciting in Formula 1? When Ferrari doesn't win? Please. Now don't get me wrong, I still watch it, but what has it boiled down to even more this year? Pit strategy. What are people complaining Nascar is always about? Pit Strategy. Besides, If you don't want to use the bloody NASCAR's, don't use the bloody things. Freedom is about choice. If Kaz can pull out 50 Skylines and RX-7's and fit in the entire Nextel Cup selection (which they could, because EA owns the NASCAR license, but not the actual cars, and they are all the same so they wouldn't take up any space), then why couldn't they? It would just be like the Twin-Ring Motegi Super Speedway 150 Miles, and nobody ever complained about that. It would basically be just like driving a Ford GT, so what's the difference. No one tried to repeal that car from GT4, so why would you repeal a bunch more of them?

 

[McLaren]

You play the boring card, but the sport that is apparently god to everyone (Formula 1) is exciting? Formula 1 hasn't been exciting since 1997. How do I know this? I watch Formula 1. I watch Nascar. I watch IRL. Pretty much the only motorsport I don't watch is CART. Hell, I even try to get DTM races. Regardless of whether or not the only exciting thing on some tracks in NASCAR is crashes (and although it is vastly overrated), what is exciting in Formula 1? When Ferrari doesn't win? Please. Now don't get me wrong, I still watch it, but what has it boiled down to even more this year? Pit strategy. What are people complaining Nascar is always about? Pit Strategy. Besides, If you don't want to use the bloody NASCAR's, don't use the bloody things. Freedom is about choice. If Kaz can pull out 50 Skylines and RX-7's and fit in the entire Nextel Cup selection (which they could, because EA owns the NASCAR license, but not the actual cars, and they are all the same so they wouldn't take up any space), then why couldn't they? It would just be like the Twin-Ring Motegi Super Speedway 150 Miles, and nobody ever complained about that. It would basically be just like driving a Ford GT, so what's the difference. No one tried to repeal that car from GT4, so why would you repeal a bunch more of them?

Excellent Post! 👍
Yes, how exciting is F1 when you know that same d*mn Ferrari is going to win the season when there's only like 3-4 races left or whatever. Wasn't there something about Ferrari in F1 and 2007?

 

[a6m5]

Playing the "boring" card? NASCAR was on TV today. I'm sure they were racing in a different city this time, but I just saw them going in circles again. Yes, Ferrari winning too many races would be boring, but to me, not as much as race cars going in circles. I don't want to play the "boring" card, but what do you want us to say? It's just the way I feel, I'm sorry.

 

[niky]

I vote against NASCAR because those are definite dinosaurs... acceleration is not much better than an expensive sports car, and the terrific lateral grip only goes in one direction... left... make them turn right and those 1+++ g's of lateral grip turns into a great slide.

Plus GT can't model NASCAR racers, as there is no definition between right and left suspension settings.

I'd rather have IRL or CART racers in there... with turbo boost controls please.

 

[a6m5]

Plus GT can't model NASCAR racers, as there is no definition between right and left suspension settings.

👍

 

[Dave A]

How do you know PD won't allow you to change the left and right settings differently in GT5?

 

[VIPFREAK]

I don't know but I know Nascrap drivers know their suspension setting very well.. . It's called Tap and spin setting.

 

[Torana05dude]

Personally, I cant see why we couldn't have them in GT5 (even if only 3 or 4).
Here in Australia, we have Auscars (very similar), and they do venture onto non oval circuits. Heck, they even did a half dozen support race laps at Bathurst a few years ago (albeit the lapped in the opposite direction to the V8's). IRL and Nascar/Auscar can get boring, but so long as they're not restricted to ovals in GT5, I think it would be very interesting.

 

[jaxmkii]

I love these cars. There big, fast and are just fun to watch( in my opinion ). My question is do you think would it be good or bad to includ these cars in the game. Most of the race cars on the GTs are Japanese or Eurpean road racers which in real life kinda bore me. All of the games with these cars on them don't have the physics that GT has and I've become tired of racing them on the road courses on those games cuz the physics are so different from GT that it is impossible to control over the hills.

just drive the pickups

 

[xXSilencerXx]

Those are still different. No areodynamics and they're trucks. The only one of the trucks I can stand is the Chevy SS cuz its got a strong enough engine to actualy go fast without tuning.

 

[JohnBM01]

I search so you don't have to. Here are some reasons why NASCAR-type cars aren't an altogether bad idea:

http://www.stockcarroadrace.com/index.html
http://www.stockcarroadrace.com/series.html
http://www.stockcarroadrace.com/compete.html

People, this is the Stock Car Road Racing Championship. The car bodies used are defined as "Late Model" stock car-type bodies. Personally, these are my favorites because they are so low and so wide. They still remain "stock" cars, but are usually some of the more stylish of race cars. They even race in the rain. They may not handle like F1 race cars, Super GT machinery, or even Australian V8 Supercars, but for those who want stock cars, this may be one big reason. All I know is that I'm not going to race a mostly oval racing series with some jackass tagging my rear wheels in Turn 3.

Another site if you're interested:

http://v8stockcar.com/

 

[xXSilencerXx]

Nice links 👍. Those are the cars I was sujesting along with Nextel Cup cars. For me any stock car like that will do.

 

[NoQuarter]

Nine pages of crap and the same old, tired arguments about NASCAR and only two people pointed out the obvious.

Speaking of which it will likely not happen anyway because IIRC EA has that license.

It's unlikely they'll include Cup cars in GT5 since EA holds a deathgrip on the license.

GT5 will not have any NASCAR related as EA does, in fact, hold the exclusive license for all things NASCAR.

 

[niky]

Nine pages of crap and the same old, tired arguments about NASCAR and only two people pointed out the obvious.







GT5 will not have any NASCAR related as EA does, in fact, hold the exclusive license for all things NASCAR.

They hold the F1 license, too. But other games get seconds (old cars and models)... pity.

 

[JohnBM01]

Something like the Stock Car Road Racing Series. I think if PD wanted to pursue these kinds of cars, this is the way to go, especially for those who prefer road racing over just-turn-left. I like the Late Model "stock" car bodies because I think these would be the kinds of stock cars I'd be tempted to drive. They are low and wide, and I like most race cars like that. And something like the SCRRS would be very intersting.

I think when CASCAR road races, I usually have heard of brake lights on the rear windshield to be used during road racing. South Africa's SASCAR series has very small brake lights at the rear of the car. I say GT should pull some strings and make fantasy Late Model-type stock cars complete with functional headlights and brake lights. A difference between Nextel Cup and Late Model race cars are that the Late Models weigh about as much as an Australian V8 Supercar, which is just under 3,000 lbs.

But, that's if GT actually wanted to pursue these machines. I like the Late Model bodies the most.

 

[McLaren]

They hold the F1 license, too. But other games get seconds (old cars and models)... pity.

How?

F1 2005 isn't EA, and its got the full 2005 schedule.

 

[Clutchman83]

Be as it may that EA has the license, I think it would be cool to have them in GT5. Yes the series relies heavily on road racing, but why include at least one true oval and no racing cars that are designed almost exclusively to run on them. The fact that there is the old school plymouth superbird I think is evidence that GT5 has a shot at including "stock cars" in it. Yes it was a historic street car but it was born of NASCAR racing. Seeing as how many people want to see Daytona and a few who want a couple of the shorter ovals included I think it would make sense. I'd gladly give up a mercedes patent motor wagon, or a 30hp Suzuki econocar for a couple real sim stock cars. Why shouldn't GT5 have some form of all racing, it could even include a drag racing race events and some exclusive drag cars. I much prefer watching a good road race, but I've been forced to be a closet NASCAR fan as well, due to the fact that it's the only series that receives fair TV coverage in the states. I must say though that the more I watch it the more I enjoy it. I'd like to see many changes made, and I think it's almost comical how a debris caution seems to come out every time the field gets strung out, but I'd still jump at the chance to get to drive a stock car. For all you guys who scream about how you don't want any f'ing NASCAR in Gran Turismo, you don't have to drive it if you don't want to! I say if theres a market for it in the GT consumer base, which there obviously is, otherwise this thread would be rather one-sided, why not pursue it and tap that market. Who knows, we may be able to get some of the "NASCAR Nation" hooked on other forms of motorsports portrayed in the game!

 

[Bauknin]

How can Nascar be fun to watch first I think its one of the most boring motorsport racing out there, and 2 there go around and around in circles which has no skill in it.

No skill? Are you freakin' out of your mind? I'd have to say to you: Go try it. But not by yourself. Try it with forty-five other cars on the track, and do it for an entire race.

When you clean out your suit or get out of the hospital, you can talk about the lack of skill it takes to do that.

Racing -- all racing -- is hard work. You can disrespect NASCAR all you want, but at least give your opinions some backbone.

 

[jetamune07]

NASCAR is very boring to watch for me. Still, I respect the drivers because they are drivers. Their bodies undergo a lot of stress like other drivers from other racing leagues.

If there was NASCAR in the next GT, I would not play it though.

 

[JohnBM01]

Here's an example of skill. You know I respect Jeff Gordon the most. At Martinsville, he was three laps down on the 0.5+ mile course. Where did he finish? 1st. Don't say that all of NASCAR lacks talent. There are those few exceptions in any motorsport.

I think in the defense of a NASCAR fan (not saying I'm one), the primary arguments would be stated in pretty biased and pretty bi-partisan. These would be arguments a NASCAR fan would make:

(1) "NASCAR is my favorite motorsport. It's more enjoyable than racing 64hp Kei cars or any European GT or Le Mans race car. Give me a V8-powered stock car over anything else any day of the week."

(2) "You like the BTCC? Hell, I'm a NASCAR fan. I want to see NASCAR race cars in Gran Turismo. So I'm no different from you wanting to see certain race cars in Gran Turismo."

(3) "I'd rather be racing three-wide at Darlington or Daytona than racing Twin Ring Motegi's road course. I'd rather do the racing with real race cars- NASCAR stock cars. Forget about sophisticated technology, racing in the rain, cars many of us never heard of- it's all about American stock car racing and it's a damn shame PD isn't doing anything about it."

Regardless, I can see from an analytical standpoint as to why stock cars should be in the next GT. Don't forget to take a look at { http://www.stockcarroadrace.com/index.html } for stock car road racing. It would be the only chance I'd see such cars in action in GT. I like the Late Model bodies the most and would make for some great racing. Or to give you NASCAR fans a chance to imagine racing stock cars in the next GT: imagine zooming down the Hunadieres/Mulsanne Straight at over 170 mph. Probably have to be a restrictor plate deal, though...

 

[Bauknin]

Speaking as a fan of NASCAR, I can say I really wouldn't care to see the cars in the game. Why? Because that's what I have the NASCAR games for. Just like I wouldn't like to see Skylines in my NASCAR games. Of course, as it has been pointed out, this is a moot point due to license issues. Just my two cents, though.

 

[Mopar]

Nine pages of crap and the same old, tired arguments about NASCAR and only two people pointed out the obvious.







GT5 will not have any NASCAR related as EA does, in fact, hold the exclusive license for all things NASCAR.

Then how come I heard that there will be Dodge Nextel Cup Cars in TOCA Race Driver 3.

 

[iceburns288]

I actually have the Le Mans track for NR2003, it's a blast 👍

I'm a big F1 fan. I went to the USGP this year. I'm not such a big NASCAR fan, but I'll watch it. Great racing. If any F1 fan wants to tell a NASCAR fan that NASCAR is boring, all it takes is mention of this year's USGP to shut them up. Just as any F1 fan can say going in circles (even though they're ovals or kinked ovals, etc) is boring, a NASCAR fan could just as easily say F1 is boring. After seeing F1 in person at the USGP, I can't see how any F1 fan has any room to talk about boring racing.

The BTCC and DTM series are great... NASCAR-quality racing, but with "proper" (as some of you call them) turns. We already have this in GT4. I definitely wouldn't mind an expansion to Nextel Cup (lookalike maybe) cars. Hopefully PD can reel in American sales by doing what they did for F1 in GT4; put in some cars that resemble the real life counterparts under a fake name.

 

[chinko]

I actually have the Le Mans track for NR2003, it's a blast 👍

I'm a big F1 fan. I went to the USGP this year. I'm not such a big NASCAR fan, but I'll watch it. Great racing. If any F1 fan wants to tell a NASCAR fan that NASCAR is boring, all it takes is mention of this year's USGP to shut them up. Just as any F1 fan can say going in circles (even though they're ovals or kinked ovals, etc) is boring, a NASCAR fan could just as easily say F1 is boring. After seeing F1 in person at the USGP, I can't see how any F1 fan has any room to talk about boring racing.

The BTCC and DTM series are great... NASCAR-quality racing, but with "proper" (as some of you call them) turns. We already have this in GT4. I definitely wouldn't mind an expansion to Nextel Cup (lookalike maybe) cars. Hopefully PD can reel in American sales by doing what they did for F1 in GT4; put in some cars that resemble the real life counterparts under a fake name.

for **** sake, STOP USING THE USGP AS A BIASED OPINION AGAINST F1!!! WE ALL KNOW THE PROBLEMS THAT HAPPENED. F1 ISNT ALWAYS 6 BRIDGESTONE WEARING CARS!!

jesus...