Nascar type cars.

[JohnBM01]

Well, I try to like as much motorsports as I can. I will admit, though not a NASCAR fanatic, I kind of enjoy the Daytona and Talladega races, but very interested in seeing 43 "stock" cars race road courses as best as possible. Now, if Stock Cars somehow find their way into the next Gran Turismo, racing them around road courses would be very interesting. I wonder if the driver AI (I'm not knocking GT's AI) will be dumb so that you have to slam a car into the wall to win. Or you know, do a little sponsor mooching to win championships. Then if they did find their way into the game, I got to go with my boy Jeff Gordon's #24 car. J. Gordon, who placed 7th at Daytona, did a hell of a lot better than at Sonoma. Bigger story would be Dale Earnhardt Jr. placing third. Still no win, but at least that will help him with his struggles.

Only "stock" cars I kind of like most are Late Model stock cars. These are the ones that are pretty low to the ground and wide on the sides. They just look like pure race cars, and if I could mod them as best as possbile, I'd actually stick a functional GT racing wing. I don't know about weight issues, so I'll leave it at that.

You know what I was thinking out of all this? Why don't we have NASCAR race cars out of those Winged Warriors? We got the Plymouth Superbird, why not a racing model based on some past stock car racing, if you want these types of race cars? See what happens when you use your mind?

 

[a6m5]

I am so impressed to see that there are Americans who don't like NASCAR!!
I thought you guys where all chauvinists (don't get me wrong, absolutly no insult intended) . I must admit, I was wrong and in this case I like being wrong. I also don't like NASCAR. Driving around in a circle
Sorry. But hey, were I live, soccer is THE national sports and I hate soccer. I always switch it off when it is on tv

Oval racing like NASCAR and IRL may be the most popular motor sport in the U.S., but there are plenty of people who can't stand them.

Personally, I know a lot of people on both sides. Most of the NASCAR fans I know are older guys. There is a funny pattern to the younger NASCAR fans that I'm friends with. They all like professional wrestling and country music and are rednecks or redneck wannabes. This is not the case with the middle aged NASCAR fans that I know, but is with guys my age(20's to 30's).

 

[Nitroboy24]

Anybody here ever watch the trading places on Speed where Jeff Gordon and Montoya switched cars for a day? Gordon set lap times that would have QUALIFIED him for the F1 race at the track he was running hot laps at. And this is when the car had been no where near being tuned for him and he ran just over a dozen laps.

No talent? Please, shove your head just a bit farther up your ass while you're at it.

And then the whole "Nascar fans have bad taste" deal. If that were true, then all of SCCA, LeMans, WRC, F1, etc races I enjoy watching are the crummiest form of motorsports there is. And I drive an e30 318is and will be taking it on the PIR and Firebird roadcourses this year, horrible taste indeed. My dad also enjoys nascar and drives an E36 M3 and has taken it to PIR/FB track days numerous times.

Ignorance is bliss.

However, I dont really think Nascar type cars would be that fun on GT5. It may be cool to have 20+ racing together but ovals on video games bore me. The sense of speed on GT4 (and 3, etc) isnt good at all and theres no damage. Both of which are my main reasons for watching nascar. It'd be cool to have a few of them here and there, but nothing too big.

 

[a6m5]

Anybody here ever watch the trading places on Speed where Jeff Gordon and Montoya switched cars for a day? Gordon set lap times that would have QUALIFIED him for the F1 race at the track he was running hot laps at. And this is when the car had been no where near being tuned for him and he ran just over a dozen laps.

No talent? Please, shove your head just a bit farther up your ass while you're at it.

And then the whole "Nascar fans have bad taste" deal. If that were true, then all of SCCA, LeMans, WRC, F1, etc races I enjoy watching are the crummiest form of motorsports there is. And I drive an e30 318is and will be taking it on the PIR and Firebird roadcourses this year, horrible taste indeed. My dad also enjoys nascar and drives an E36 M3 and has taken it to PIR/FB track days numerous times.

Ignorance is bliss.

However, I dont really think Nascar type cars would be that fun on GT5. It may be cool to have 20+ racing together but ovals on video games bore me. The sense of speed on GT4 (and 3, etc) isnt good at all and theres no damage. Both of which are my main reasons for watching nascar. It'd be cool to have a few of them here and there, but nothing too big.

You are telling us how talented Jeff Gordon is. I'm sure there are some talented NASCAR drivers, but Gordon is like Michael Jordan of NASCAR racing. How does he represent the "average" NASCAR drivers 356C was talking about?

As for the style and taste of the NASCAR fans, they are no "GQ" material most of the time. Ones I know, and I know many, are either t-shirt guys or rednecks. You know, with big belt buckles and boots(no joke). Having said that, while I have no doubt that the "other" fans have better taste in clothes, that has very little to do with quality of oval racing and if NASCAR cars should be in GT5(and I still say, YES!).

 

[Nitroboy24]

You are telling us how talented Jeff Gordon is. I'm sure there are some talented NASCAR drivers, but Gordon is like Michael Jordan of NASCAR racing. How does he represent the "average" NASCAR drivers 356C was talking about?

As for the style and taste of the NASCAR fans, they are no "GQ" material most of the time. Ones I know, and I know many, are either t-shirt guys or rednecks. You know, with big belt buckles and boots(no joke). Having said that, while I have no doubt that the "other" fans have better taste in clothes, that has very little to do with quality of oval racing and if NASCAR cars should be in GT5(and I still say, YES!).

Yeah, I know Gordon is easily one of the best Nascar drivers on road courses. I didnt sift through 7 pages of morons telling me that they have no skill so I didnt see the 'average nascar driver' reference. But still, watch the road course races on nascar. The last race at Infineon I think there might have been one of the road course specialists the teams will bring in to race in the Top 10. No, those guys dont specialize in Nascar's but Boris Said and some of the others they bring in have had plenty of nascar seat time.

 

[a6m5]

Yeah, I know Gordon is easily one of the best Nascar drivers on road courses. I didnt sift through 7 pages of morons telling me that they have no skill so I didnt see the 'average nascar driver' reference. But still, watch the road course races on nascar. The last race at Infineon I think there might have been one of the road course specialists the teams will bring in to race in the Top 10. No, those guys dont specialize in Nascar's but Boris Said and some of the others they bring in have had plenty of nascar seat time.

Ah, understood. 👍 When are these road course NASCAR races on? As you can probably tell from my post, I'm not a fan of NASCAR, but I'd love to see them on road courses. Sounds pretty cool.

 

[Nitroboy24]

Ah, understood. 👍 When are these road course NASCAR races on? As you can probably tell from my post, I'm not a fan of NASCAR, but I'd love to see them on road courses. Sounds pretty cool.

Yeah, the road course Nascar stuff is a lot more fun to watch then the oval racing for sure.

There's only one more road course race (that I saw looking at the schedule at nascars site) and its at Watkins Glenn, so itll be a good race.

08/14/05 Sirius Satellite Radio at the Glen on NBC at 1pm. I dont know what time zone thats in but it'll be somewhere around that time (obviously lol).

So, if you get the chance to watch I'd recommend you do so, get to see the guys that only turn left mix it up a bit.

 

[a6m5]

Yeah, the road course Nascar stuff is a lot more fun to watch then the oval racing for sure.

There's only one more road course race (that I saw looking at the schedule at nascars site) and its at Watkins Glenn, so itll be a good race.

08/14/05 Sirius Satellite Radio at the Glen on NBC at 1pm. I dont know what time zone thats in but it'll be somewhere around that time (obviously lol).

So, if you get the chance to watch I'd recommend you do so, get to see the guys that only turn left mix it up a bit.

Thanks, Nitroboy! Earlier this year, people told me(I think, one guy was from GTP) about the only two road course NASCAR races to be held this year. Looks like I missed the first one, but I'll make sure to catch the 8/14 race for sure. Thanks again. 👍

P.S. Just marked it on my calendar.

 

[356C]

Personally, I know a lot of people on both sides. Most of the NASCAR fans I know are older guys. There is a funny pattern to the younger NASCAR fans that I'm friends with. They all like professional wrestling and country music and are rednecks or redneck wannabes. This is not the case with the middle aged NASCAR fans that I know, but is with guys my age(20's to 30's).

Yeah, that's becuase NASCAR was cool when they were in their 20's. The cars actually shared architecture with ones on the showroom floor. I find the old NASCAR races cool. God knows driving THOSE cars THAT fast around in a circle WOULD be challanging.

As for Jeff Gordon and that press event where he switched with one of the BMW F1 drivers. . . someone else said that he would've qualified for an F1 race. Maybe you have the exact time, but as I recall his lap time was at least 5-10 seconds slower than the cars regular driver. While with a little practice, he could get better, there is no proof that he would be competitive. But that's not really the point. These drivers CHOOSE to race in NASCAR. Most NASCAR drivers start out racing on dirt ovals (OUTLAW something?), which are even DUMBER than NASCAR. For the majority of them, NASCAR is their main goal, not F1. But don't get me wrong, I don't dislike the drivers, just the sport.

As I've said earlier, car companies have traditionally used road racing to improve the quality of their road products, with the exception of american cars during the golden years of NASCAR/Stock Car racing. SCCA road racing cars for example would make good public road cars. "NASCARs" would not. Niether would top fuel drag racers for that matter. My point is that road racing offers something that NASCAR used to, the ability to compete using cars that are often found on the streets in non race form. I find it much more interesting to watch sports sedans, or porsches, or corvettes, etc., competing on a road course, even ones w/ partial ovals like the Daytona 24h. These days it is road racing that has the biggest influence on street car product developement. There is also much more diversity when it comes the the cars that compete. You have FWD RWD AWD, all different types of engines, sedans, coupes, you name it.

F1 racing has improved engine developement for Honda, Nissan, Toyota, BMW. And suprise suprise, they make some of the most reliable, best selling cars on the road. Whereas Ford, Chevy, and Dodge, are all having problems selling cars. Heck, Toyota will soon pass GM as the leader in car sales in the U.S. Too bad that NASCAR doesn't do anything to improve the quality of American engines. Don't get me wrong, I'd consider buying a new Mustang, 300C, or Z06. America does have some unique cars, but they're not quite up to the standards of foreign companys, sorry . Of course, getting rid of the UAW, and installing more robots would certainly make us more competitive. But I don't want to get into politics.

NASCAR is nice and simple, all the cars are essentially the same (oh right, the engines are soooo drastically different), has little influence on real product development, draws in the masses, gets rediculous amounts of media attention, and encourages inbreeding .

 

[kikie]

I think we are getting a bit off topic, here.
Thread question: nascar type cars in GT5????

 

[CMcMahon]

I'll allow them to add stock cars into GT5 if and only if they add fifty or sixty more rally cars, especially the various Suzuki Pikes Peak monsters, the Ariel Atom, the Noble, a few dozen more K-class cars, the Fuji short course and dirt course, Grindelwald and Red Rock Valley, fix the year on the Delorian, a monster truck race and/or demolition derby, the small infield track at Le Mans, the 'Ring's F1 track, and improve the AI first.

 

[McLaren]

You are telling us how talented Jeff Gordon is. I'm sure there are some talented NASCAR drivers, but Gordon is like Michael Jordan of NASCAR racing. How does he represent the "average" NASCAR drivers 356C was talking about?

As for the style and taste of the NASCAR fans, they are no "GQ" material most of the time. Ones I know, and I know many, are either t-shirt guys or rednecks. You know, with big belt buckles and boots(no joke). Having said that, while I have no doubt that the "other" fans have better taste in clothes, that has very little to do with quality of oval racing and if NASCAR cars should be in GT5(and I still say, YES!).

I thought that was Earnhardt?

Seriously, though, NASCAR drivers are like most others. They have their lows and their pros.
You can't tell me the drivers of Nascar don't have the quality of a LeMans racer after, like I said, after Earnhardt Sr. took home the Rolex 24Hours in the older C5-R Corvette that ran at LeMans later that year and of course, beating out some faser competition.

Gordon is also a good one. His F1 time was probably not the best, but it would proved he would not be in the back.

And I'm willing to bet $100 if Earnhardt Sr. was still alive, I wouldn't doubt we'd have seen him at a LeMans event.

 

[a6m5]

I thought that was Earnhardt?

Seriously, though, NASCAR drivers are like most others. They have their lows and their pros.
You can't tell me the drivers of Nascar don't have the quality of a LeMans racer after, like I said, after Earnhardt Sr. took home the Rolex 24Hours in the older C5-R Corvette that ran at LeMans later that year and of course, beating out some faser competition.

Gordon is also a good one. His F1 time was probably not the best, but it would proved he would not be in the back.

And I'm willing to bet $100 if Earnhardt Sr. was still alive, I wouldn't doubt we'd have seen him at a LeMans event.

Forgive me, I don't know jack about NASCAR.

On a serious note though, after racing only on ovals year after year, I doubt the overall skills of NASCAR race drivers will be as good as the racers competing on the road courses. I've never raced, but I'm pretty sure practice and experience are important, just like with anything else. NASCAR racers, who mostly train and specialize in oval racing skills wouldn't be as sharp as the ones that do, IMO.

 

[McLaren]

Forgive me, I don't know jack about NASCAR.

On a serious note though, after racing only on ovals year after year, I doubt the overall skills of NASCAR race drivers will be as good as the racers competing on the road courses. I've never raced, but I'm pretty sure practice and experience are important, just like with anything else. NASCAR racers, who mostly train and specialize in oval racing skills wouldn't be as sharp as the ones that do, IMO.

Well, about Tom Kris. in a Nascar? He's already done his share of LeMans.

 

[a6m5]

Well, about Tom Kris. in a Nascar? He's already done his share of LeMans.

Again, I'm sure there are some NASCAR drivers who can do it all. I was talking about NASCAR drivers in general .

 

[McLaren]

Well, I mean, what about putting Tom or Andy Wallace behind a Nascar?
Sure, they're great at road racing, but what about a 4-ton monster of whatever around the oval? Or better yet, a road course?

 

[a6m5]

Well, I mean, what about putting Tom or Andy Wallace behind a Nascar?
Sure, they're great at road racing, but what about a 4-ton monster of whatever around the oval? Or better yet, a road course?

That wouldn't work. Let's say I'm right and average F1 drivers are better than average NASCAR drivers. Now put a average F1 driver in a NASCAR race car(remember, "average" F1 driver's better for sake of the argument). How's he going to do? Well, he's going to suck. But why is he going to suck, when he's a better driver than the average NASCAR racers? Because he doesn't have any experience, practice, knowledge, etc. of NASCAR oval racing.

This is an never-ending discussion, and we are off-topic. I think we should give it a rest.

 

[Dave A]

This whole argument is stupid, most of the drivers race in multiple series. A lot of WRC drivers for example also race in different GT series, even LeMans, I've seen people who drove in NASCAR come to the UK and race the Privilege cup and do well. Race drivers don't find one motorsport and stick to that alone, they can be part of 2 or 3 different series in a single year.

 

[kjb]

Personally I don't want any Nextel cup cars in Gt5. It's bad enough Fox pimped out the Speed channel to NASCAR.

 

[FWA2500]

Anybody here ever watch the trading places on Speed where Jeff Gordon and Montoya switched cars for a day? Gordon set lap times that would have QUALIFIED him for the F1 race at the track he was running hot laps at. And this is when the car had been no where near being tuned for him and he ran just over a dozen laps.

actually, he was about 2 seconds off the minardi's.........and being slower than a minardi is an insult.....(no offence minardi fans).....





does speed even show JGTC any more? i stopped watching it because its turned NASCAR 24/7......

 

[Emohawk]

Personally I don't want any Nextel cup cars in Gt5. It's bad enough Fox pimped out the Speed channel to NASCAR.

Fox owns Speed? No wonder it sucks.

I still wish I got it, I just think the NASCAR content is severly disproportionate compared to the amount of coverage that anything I would watch gets.

 

[VIPFREAK]

It amazes me how many t.v. shows you need to cover cars going in circles. Now they have a new one on Speed called Nascrap Nation.

 

[JohnBM01]

First of all, don't hate on my boy Jeff Gordon. Now that I think about it, Codemasters' "Pro Race Driver" and "TOCA Race Driver 2" had you doing racing with stock cars. PRD had an existing car, the Chevrolet Monte Carlo "stock" car, while TOCA RD2 featured fictional stock cars. The point of these two games I mentioned is so that one game can feature all sorts of racing to meet all kinds of people's likes. I think Gran Turismo is different because it's all about the drive, the race, and the victory. To me, if I'm not driving or racing, I'm not enjoying Gran Turismo. If I'm not racing my ass off to win, I'm not trying to win in a Codemasters racing game.

To me, I know NASCAR's past was with cars you could buy off the lot and race on the track. Now that times have changed, I can't really say that I'm enjoying the automotive culture by racing a machine BASED ON a certain car, rather than racing that car on any given race weekend in the game. I don't necessarily think that I'll enjoy buying and racing a "stock" car around an oval or a speedy road course. Then too, I normally think that even though things used to be actual stock cars made into racing cars, I still don't really like the type of racing. I've been a sportscar racing guy almost all of my life since getting into racing. I don't want anyone to be replying to me like "so you think this, but when it comes to this...," but I do like Trans-Am. I mostly like old-time Trans-Am and modern Trans-Am. At least with the Camaros, Corvettes, Mustangs and such, you can be at least proud to race these machines in some club racing or someplace on a race course.

But, I'd rather do something else than enjoy racing a FWD 1998 Ford Taurus in a GT game on a great road course or even an oval. Do you dig me, or am I just too damn weird for GTPlanet?

 

[greenlightning]

Rather we like it or not. Nascar is one of if not the biggest forms of racing today. Personally I do not like it, used to about 20 years ago. I would not have a problem it if some nascar type of vehicles are included, but only if they had cars that competed in nascar events from say the 60's to today. I like the busch races better right now compared to Winston CUP. The IROC series is some good racing. Anyway, I think it would be great if they included as many forms of auto racing that seems reasonable. Having cars in the game that you can not race is bad ideal and does not serve any purpose, either does having prize cars with zero resale value.


edited to some degree. small oval courses, dirt oval courses etc. would be fun.

 

[FWA2500]

uh......busch is nascar......

 

[xXSilencerXx]

Yah dude the Busch series is a Nascar series.

 

[VyPeR]

If NASCAR were Japanese, I bet definitly we would see them in GT5 for sure.

 

[JohnBM01]

If they were, JGTC/Super GT would still be the premier racing series in Japan, so it wouldn't really matter much. I am a Super GT guy, so I'm not even thinking about NASCAR in this sense. I wouldn't even want a 10-Race Series with reruns of oval races and wussied-up variants of road courses. Give me a competitive road racing series, great production or competition automobiles to race against, and I'll be happy. No need to contaminate it with NASCAR-style cars.

 

[FWA2500]

If NASCAR were Japanese, I bet definitly we would see them in GT5 for sure.

but its not so it wont. period.

 

[DeadlyFred]

What is the most popular Racing sport in America? NASCAR!!

Yeah, and look at what other kinds of sports are popular here. Its little wonder that American sports are so typically boring, its almost as if they were intended to be little more than an excuse for a bunch of people to sit around getting drunk while appearing to be interested in some sort of spectacle.

I hate "sports".