Nascar type cars.
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You called them simple minded, even saying they have poor taste is an insult, thats a lot of people that have poor tase. Hell in the US that'd be MORE people with poor taste than people with "good2 taste. I don't like NASCAR, so I say I don't like NASCAR, I find it boring but I never mention the fans becasue it's down to them and it's popular enough to lead me to the conclusion that it's doing something right even if I don't see it.
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You're right, there are a lot of stupid people in the US, and in the rest of the world for that matter. NASCAR is, by nature, more simple to understand than road racing. That is why I call the fans simple minded. The vast majority of NASCAR fans have little understanding of vehicle dynamics and all the science that goes behind the technology used in the cars. That's why NASCAR is perfect for the masses. When I went to the NASCAR race at Talladega ( only time ), I noticed that many of the fans not only had poor taste in racing, but poor taste in clothing as well.
There are a lot of fans of "professional" wrestling too (perhaps many of the same fans as NASCAR). I have no qualms saying that they have poor taste too.
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Well, you know how people say that NASCAR is stupid because it's just cars going around a track over and over? That's even more true in F1 now. Sure they make right turns, but how often do you see an important pass that takes place without the help of a bad mistake by the "passee"? It's basically just a high-speed parade. Some people may find a lack of variety in the track boring, while others may find a lack in overtaking boring.
But rallying kicks ass.
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But rallying kicks ass.
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Highly technical, high speed parade.StudentdriverWell, you know how people say that NASCAR is stupid because it's just cars going around a track over and over? That's even more true in F1 now. Sure they make right turns, but how often do you see an important pass that takes place without the help of a bad mistake by the "passee"? It's basically just a high-speed parade. Some people may find a lack of variety in the track boring, while others may find a lack in overtaking boring.
But rallying kicks ass.
I'm not for or against nascar cars in the game. But if some are included I would hope for a couple of daytona prototype cars from the Rolex Grand Am series. I personally think the Rolex series is the best racing to be found in the US, with ALMS coming second.
Are you serious?! Have your head examined IMMEDIATELY!VIPFREAKMaybe it's the Smog here...
I'm from SJ too.
Are you going to go the race downtown at teh end of the month? It should be pretty good.
http://www.sanjosegrandprix.com/
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You do realize Tony Stewart does more than race Nascars don't you?356CI understand that NASCAR has a HUGE fan base. That doesn't change my point of view. I'm sorry, but I guess the truth hurts. Stock cars are not designed for road courses. Sure they can tweak them up a bit, but they still have mediocre handling due to their heavy front ends, crappy suspension setup, and gearboxes that have problems lasting a whole race. Just recently at the Infineon race, Jeff Gordon had problems with his transmission, so did one of his teammates. They have yet to design parts that are made for that kind of use. On circle tracks, they don't need to be changing gears nearly as often. As a result, their clutches and synchros usually last the race. Road racing is tougher on a transmission.
I used to like NASCAR, back in the days when they were actually using cars that were similar to the ones in the showroom. Today, all the cars are the same. NASCAR is BORING. Sure there were certainly advantages to switching to a universal type frame construction, like weight, aerodynamics, and driver safety.
One of the main reasons NASCAR has become so popular in America, is because of the flood of media coverage it receives. Yes, it had a following before, but Brian France and the France family has succesfully gained a much larger audience thanks to their media power. I'm sick and tired of all the NASCRAP on SPEED and even occationally on TNT. I guess the cheap beer, and chewing tobacco companies have some media pull too.
SCCA and other well established road racing is superior in quality, both in the quality of the machines, and the quality of drivers. NASCAR hurts America's image in the world. It makes other industrialized countries think of us as the simpletons of the automotive racing world. I don't like France, but I like Le Mans. I'm not pleased with Germany, but I like the Nurburgring and the road racing they have there. Australia has big sedans with american type V8s that drive on road courses. But in America, NASCAR is the leader of autoracing. Pathetic
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The reason why nascar is so popular is because it's more of a spectator sport than most forms of racing. The courses, although they're big, are completely in view. the fans can always see the cars no matter where there sitting. it makes the involvement more constant, unlike other forms of racing where you see the cars once every 2 minutes, or even worse, you camp out for days, pick a sweet spot and you get to see the cars for about 30 seconds and then it's time to move again if you want to see more.
In light of all that I would like to say that I am not a fan of nascar. I prefer any other type of racing over nascar. Not only that, but I am also a strong supporter of the opinion that, at a given power level, smaller high specific output engines are generally better than larger low specific output engines from a performance standpoint. But the same way I can step out of my impreza for a kick but ride in a hemi charger, I can step out of my minolta for a kick in the pants run in a carbureated, ohv, 4 speed, live-axle, tube frame, 800 hp monster.
The point? Yes I have my favorites, and nascars aren't one of them. But they're fun, even if they're not record breakers, and I aprreciate the particular brand of adrenaline they supply. If it's a car it belongs in GT. It dosen't have to break records to be fun.
In light of all that I would like to say that I am not a fan of nascar. I prefer any other type of racing over nascar. Not only that, but I am also a strong supporter of the opinion that, at a given power level, smaller high specific output engines are generally better than larger low specific output engines from a performance standpoint. But the same way I can step out of my impreza for a kick but ride in a hemi charger, I can step out of my minolta for a kick in the pants run in a carbureated, ohv, 4 speed, live-axle, tube frame, 800 hp monster.
The point? Yes I have my favorites, and nascars aren't one of them. But they're fun, even if they're not record breakers, and I aprreciate the particular brand of adrenaline they supply. If it's a car it belongs in GT. It dosen't have to break records to be fun.
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I wasn't criticizing Tony Stewart or any specific NASCAR driver. I think the sport as a whole is the auto racing equivalent to "Professional" wrestling. My previous posts spell out how and why NASCAR sucks. I also criticized the fans of NASCAR for their poor taste in racing and clothes.
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And you realize that maybe they think you have poor taste in racing and clothing.
Its all opinion. You don't like the sport of 700,000 fans, good for you. They don't like the sport you like, good for them.
I brought up Tony Stewart because you said all others were better in quality including the drivers.
Its all opinion. You don't like the sport of 700,000 fans, good for you. They don't like the sport you like, good for them.
I brought up Tony Stewart because you said all others were better in quality including the drivers.
Tony Stewart may be a good driver, not just in NASCAR. However, I stand by my claim, that the quality of the drivers and the machines is better in road racing. In aggregate terms, NASCAR drivers are not as good as road racing drivers. I commend all of the NASCAR drivers though, on continually taking money from the poor saps that will give it to them.
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How can you say that Nascar drivers are not as good as road racing drivers?
I know its your opinion, but seriously, that's BS.
Many Nascar drivers and others drive other series.
But then again, I guess Earnhardt isn't a quality driver even though he took the C5-R Corvette to the win in the Rolex 24 Hours in 2001.
Nascar drivers are just as good other drivers. Earnhardt proved that.
I know its your opinion, but seriously, that's BS.
Many Nascar drivers and others drive other series.
But then again, I guess Earnhardt isn't a quality driver even though he took the C5-R Corvette to the win in the Rolex 24 Hours in 2001.
Nascar drivers are just as good other drivers. Earnhardt proved that.
Maybe you don't understand the meaning of the word "Aggregate". I'm talking ALL NASCAR drivers against ALL road racing drivers. Tony Stewart and Dale Earnhardt are the exceptions, not the norm, when it comes to talent in NASCAR. Yes, driving for NASCAR takes skill, but so does driving an 18 wheeler.
I wouldn't be so vocal about NASCAR if it were not for all the media coverage it gets. It is asking to be critiqued. They have NASCAR poker, they have their own multiple talk shows, they have the "reality" tv series about the drivers behind the scenes. It is this type of sensationalism that drives not only my distaste for the sport, but also my inability to take it seriously. They merchandise the hell outta NASCAR. And people just eat that stuff up. I'm not an elitist, I voted for Bush, like I'm sure the majority of NASCAR fans did. However, people who enjoy NASCAR have poor taste. They think that hamburger is the best meal in the world. I like a nice juicy steak, or a filet mignon. Yes, NASCAR out sells other auto racing events in America. But by the same token, Britney Spears and the Backdoor boys outsold many other acts that were infinitely more talented.
Automotive companies around the world participate in road racing to help bolster their name, and to improve their regular products through racing experience and research. That is why car companies test their cars at the prestigious Nurburgring instead of Daytona.
The use of oval tracks should be limited to horses and track athletes.
While you still push to make the case that NASCAR drivers are just as good as any other, you have made no attempt to argue the quality of the cars they drive. I wonder why?
I wouldn't be so vocal about NASCAR if it were not for all the media coverage it gets. It is asking to be critiqued. They have NASCAR poker, they have their own multiple talk shows, they have the "reality" tv series about the drivers behind the scenes. It is this type of sensationalism that drives not only my distaste for the sport, but also my inability to take it seriously. They merchandise the hell outta NASCAR. And people just eat that stuff up. I'm not an elitist, I voted for Bush, like I'm sure the majority of NASCAR fans did. However, people who enjoy NASCAR have poor taste. They think that hamburger is the best meal in the world. I like a nice juicy steak, or a filet mignon. Yes, NASCAR out sells other auto racing events in America. But by the same token, Britney Spears and the Backdoor boys outsold many other acts that were infinitely more talented.
Automotive companies around the world participate in road racing to help bolster their name, and to improve their regular products through racing experience and research. That is why car companies test their cars at the prestigious Nurburgring instead of Daytona.
The use of oval tracks should be limited to horses and track athletes.
While you still push to make the case that NASCAR drivers are just as good as any other, you have made no attempt to argue the quality of the cars they drive. I wonder why?
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OK, once again, you think Nascar fans have poor tastes.
That's not a fact.
2nd, maybe they choose to "eat it up" because they like it.
BTW, Earnhardt and Stewart aren't the only exceptions.
I understand you don't like most likely because of the coverage it gets, but hey, it makes them money, and some fans like spending that money.
Because I only have to say on the drivers. Yeah, the cars aren't as good as quality because they don't have to go around bends that can take alot on the car.
But the quality of the drivers of Nascar being worse than others is bs.
That's not a fact.
2nd, maybe they choose to "eat it up" because they like it.
BTW, Earnhardt and Stewart aren't the only exceptions.
I understand you don't like most likely because of the coverage it gets, but hey, it makes them money, and some fans like spending that money.
Because I only have to say on the drivers. Yeah, the cars aren't as good as quality because they don't have to go around bends that can take alot on the car.
But the quality of the drivers of Nascar being worse than others is bs.
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I think they are great drivers, and do extremely well in a car like that.
Honestly, I think the Nascars in terms of oval racing though, depend on the race when going to quality.
A Nascar quality on Silverstone is crap. But when a FIA GT car runs on Daytona, its great quality may not exactly be the best.
Honestly, I think the Nascars in terms of oval racing though, depend on the race when going to quality.
A Nascar quality on Silverstone is crap. But when a FIA GT car runs on Daytona, its great quality may not exactly be the best.
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It's funny that as we speak, the Daytona Night Race is still going on after about a 2:30:00 rain delay. Like I said, I probably wouldn't want NASCAR-type race cars, even if only to race ovals. Twin Ring Motegi's Super Speedway played host to a NASCAR promotional event on Japan's most popular oval. Tuned right, they make for some nice road race cars. But if you want to do some real road racing, you're better off getting at least a low-hp Cup race car, like the VW New Beetle, Lupo, or GTi Race Cars. But if you're REALLY serious about road racing, there are much more expensive alternatives.
I am so impressed to see that there are Americans who don't like NASCAR!!
I thought you guys where all chauvinists (don't get me wrong, absolutly no insult intended)
. I must admit, I was wrong and in this case I like being wrong. I also don't like NASCAR. Driving around in a circle 
Sorry. But hey, were I live, soccer is THE national sports and I hate soccer. I always switch it off when it is on tv
I thought you guys where all chauvinists (don't get me wrong, absolutly no insult intended)
. I must admit, I was wrong and in this case I like being wrong. I also don't like NASCAR. Driving around in a circle Sorry. But hey, were I live, soccer is THE national sports and I hate soccer. I always switch it off when it is on tv
