NBA 2011-2012 Thread

[Omnis]

Isn't Mike D'Antoni the master of pick n roll basketball?

I'm pretty sure Lin and Chandler would be dookie without him. What's Steve Nash up to these days?

 

[Stavingo]

Forgot all about Kaman. He's been on the trading block for awhile now.

Bucks-Warriors trade was crazy. Two nice pieces, but they seemed to have joined two teams that didn't need those particular pieces.

I wonder how the fans will react to Jackson coming back to Golden State, will be interesting.

 

[JohnBM01]

My Rockets won 107-87 against the Charlotte Bobcats at home. Up next is a quick two-game back-to-back road trip: at L.A. Clippers Saturday afternoon followed by at Phoenix on Sunday night. Then back home on Tuesday night to host the L.A. Lakers. Yay, us...

 

[Paulie]

The Raptors lost to the Nets while letting Humphries grab 21 rebounds.

 

[Omnis]

Well, Portland 'sploded. 40 points under the Knicks will do that.

 

[McLaren]

I'm sad & disappointed that these guys are paid millions of dollars, and they can pull this kind of stunt. If you have problem with the coach, you should still do your job & play hard, then go to the front office(president, GM, etc.), have a discussion.

CBS Sportsline has reported that two players leading mutiny against Coach McMillan are Jamal Crawford + Raymond Felton. Felton is what you call a no-talent a$$clown. He was never good, and he has sucked even worse this season(really hard to believe). Jamal, looks like he was traded tonight, as he didn't even suit up against the Knicks. Very good sign.

Bogut to Golden State, Ellis(AWESOME) to Milwaukie. With another day left until the trade deadline, I'm sure more action to come. I'm very excited. Especially if Felton is dealt for ....... anybody.

Looks like your team may have gotten their wish; just read they fired the Trail Blazers coach today.

Isn't Mike D'Antoni the master of pick n roll basketball?

I'm pretty sure Lin and Chandler would be dookie without him. What's Steve Nash up to these days?

Nash is at an age where he's almost a liability. He's still a fantastic point guard, but unless a team really wants him, he has to make the first move. The Suns are fine with it & won't trade him unless he asks. He becomes a free agent this summer anyway.

There's been talks of him coming back here, but I can't see it happening before Williams. We already have Kidd, Beaubois, West, & Terry capable of playing Nash's position, so 2 of those would have to go, and even with Beaubois as the most likely, he's still proved to be a great backup for Kidd.

 

[Spacegoat]

Forgot all about Kaman. He's been on the trading block for awhile now.

Well he's still with the Hornets, I wonder why there were no takers for him?. He's one of the most productive centers in the game (at least scoring wise), my only guess is the Hornets were asking way too much.

Also, the Lakers look like they finally have a point guard after acquiring Ramon Sessions from the Cavs, in a four player deal that sent Derek Fisher to the Rockets.

 

[a6m5]

Unless you're a really bad coach who repeatedly makes bad decisions, I've rarely understood the mentality that coaches make a huge difference in professional sports. The players are adults, and should act like pros no matter what. If the coach is putting you the wrong spot, or refuses to play you for no reason, despite obvious talent, then maybe there's a problem.

On the other hand, players aren't really allowed to come out and yell back at the coach, for fear of being benched for a game. But mostly, they aren't the pawns in a chess match that they think they are. So while some of the tie-wearing tyrants actually sort of deserve it, that's generally only if there's no glittering hardware to prove how good they are. If it's just to prove much of a bitch they can be, or perhaps in the rare case when they're a racist sack of crap, then I understand giving them the axe.

I'd say in a case like the Knicks, the combination of new-found talent trying to mesh together is going to take more time, although this is also in the NY sports media market, which is absolutely ruthless. The Knicks haven't done anything major in over 10 years, and although it's a team that once knew greatness, they've been mediocre for a while, and ridding themselves of their best coach in a decade seems like a wrong-headed move. You're not getting Pat Riley back, either.

Yeah, I think of the NBA coaches as more of managers(in the supervisor sense). In some rare cases, they come fully backed by the owner of the club, and whatever they say goes.

I don't like how NBA players gets paid obscene amount of money on speculation(sometimes wishful thinking lol), and are utterly unaffected by their performance, or accomplishment. I've always said that coaches need unions, not the players. Players already have ridiculously powerful agents.

It was too bad about D'Antoni. If Carmelo had little bit higher basketball I.Q., and had better cardio, I think they could have worked together. I believe that Carmelo really did try to co-exist with D'Antoni's system, but his brain was just too dumb, or pigheaded to make necessary adjustments to be effective in style of basketball he was not used to.

Isn't Mike D'Antoni the master of pick n roll basketball?

I'm pretty sure Lin and Chandler would be dookie without him. What's Steve Nash up to these days?

Nash would have solved all of our problems. I'm sure Blazers tried to get him, and the price was just too high.

I wonder how the fans will react to Jackson coming back to Golden State, will be interesting.

I don't really follow NBA that much anymore. Is he still a good player? Only time I ever liked him was when he played a big role with the 2003 NBA Champ, San Antonio Spurs(might be my favorite team at this point). God, he was awesome in the Finals!

EDIT: WHY NO ONE TELL ME STEPHEN JACKSON REJOINED THE SPURS!

This should be interesting. I'm very excited about this. 👍 For those who didn't know(like myself), Spurs traded Jefferson for Jackson. Yeah baby!

Well, Portland 'sploded. 40 points under the Knicks will do that.

Again, long time coming. The downfall started several weeks ago. Knicks I'm sure played well, but this often happens in the NBA after the coach is fired.

Looks like your team may have gotten their wish; just read they fired the Trail Blazers coach today.

Yeah, that was a shocker. Everybody thought he was going to be fired, but at the end of the season. If the Blazers still had Gerald Wallace, they might have won next ten games in a row.

I'm sick of these backstabbers in the Blazers uniform. I wanted to see Felton, G-Wallace and Crawford get traded, but from what I've been hearing, nobody wanted to give us first round picks, or expiring contract we wanted for Felton & Crawford. For G-Wallace, Blazers snatched an barely protected(1~3) first round pick of the Nets.

I need to find a new team for while. Very disappointed in LaMarcus Aldridge. First time all-star this year, now also a first time backstabber. Congrats L-Train, you are my #1 crybaby girl in the NBA. just kidding, that would by Christina Bosh.

Well he's still with the Hornets, I wonder why there were no takers for him?. He's one of the most productive centers in the game (at least scoring wise), my only guess is the Hornets were asking way too much.

Also, the Lakers look like they finally have a point guard after acquiring Ramon Sessions from the Cavs, in a four player deal that sent Derek Fisher to the Rockets.

I think you are right. Kaman is a pretty decent center, and Hornets front office is completely weird. Didn't private ownership finally take that team over for the NBA? I'm still very sore about Chris Paul getting robbed from the Lakers. Not a Lakers fan, but I am a fan of Kobe. Kobe & Paul together would've been some beautiful basketball. Fish has been sort of useless, so acquisition of Sessions should be interesting. I hope he helps the Lakers.

 

[Stavingo]

The spurs sound like a solid team now, but the problem is that the entire team is starting to age. So they probably only have a few years together before a few of them retire.

 

[Paulie]

Are you 🤬 me? Raptors traded Barbosa for a 2nd round draft pick, talk about retarded. I guess this means they're aiming for a high 1st round pick for next season to draft a shooting guard? If you think REALLY short term, until Calderon comes back we have 1 point guard and 1 shooting guard.....

 

[Stavingo]

But what I don't get from that trade is that the Pacers already have Paul George.

 

[Paulie]

What I don't get is just when the Raptors are expecting to reap benefits from this "rebuilding", 2024?

 

[Blitz24]

If there is anytime I am hoping for the Nets to lose, its now. If they end up with a top 3 pick then they got Wallace for two players.

 

[a6m5]

The spurs sound like a solid team now, but the problem is that the entire team is starting to age. So they probably only have a few years together before a few of them retire.

I thought they were done, like two years ago due to age. They still win because: 1) they are still very talented. 2) arguably the highest basketball I.Q. 3) arguably the best coaching.

And while we can certainly count the age against this team, they are the most experienced players at the highest level. Celtics comes close, but not quite.

But like yours, my brain tells me that they will be done any second now.

What I don't get is just when the Raptors are expecting to reap benefits from this "rebuilding", 2024?

At least they would be the only club looking at that season right now

If there is anytime I am hoping for the Nets to lose, its now. If they end up with a top 3 pick then they got Wallace for two players.

I wouldn't put it past them to tank the season, but they should just play it out. Too many times we've seen teams tank the second half of the season in attempt to nab the #1 pick, only to see club that actually played hard win the top pick. I swear the lottery is rigged.

My team Blazers has been on both the giving & receiving end of this. When they tanked it, while having the best odds to get the #1 pick, Blazers slid all the way down to #4, the worst possible pick with the worst record they had(Paulie's Raptors, who actually competed got the top pick). The year Blazers actually competed, and still got into the lottery, Blazers won the top pick while the two teams that blatantly tanked it, Griz & Celtics, they both got the lowest picks possible(4&5). Yeah, I think it's rigged.

How do you feel about the Nets leaving town? I'd be 🤬, especially if they get Howard.

 

[Villain]

Clippers got Nick Young for free (more or less). Another awesome move by Olshey. Now we just have to see if his addition works and the Clippers can turn this losing streak around. Since Chauncey has been hurt the Clippers have had a losing record. Ugh. Please. Don't do this to me again!

 

[Stavingo]

I thought they were done, like two years ago due to age. They still win because: 1) they are still very talented. 2) arguably the highest basketball I.Q. 3) arguably the best coaching.

And while we can certainly count the age against this team, they are the most experienced players at the highest level. Celtics comes close, but not quite.

But like yours, my brain tells me that they will be done any second now.

Definitely can't deny those points, if the starting lineup stays away from injuries then the Spurs can become a really solid team for a few seasons.

 

[JohnBM01]

At Clippers today (as in this afternoon) and at Suns tomorrow night. Rockets hit the road. I don't think I'll get to see the game, so I'll have to listen on radio or keep tabs online.

 

[a6m5]

Much of the Blazer fans on the internet are some of the dumbest people, and I knew this. They assume at instant, and they just argue and call each other names over nothing. I've been on OKC Thunder message board once(ONCE). Was not the case at all. People there actually communicated like real people, not a grade schooler on a internet forum.

Anyway, so Blazers fire their coach. They beat the Bulls, minus Derrick Rose. Some of us of course see this coming from mile away, at least as a good possibility. NBA coach gets fired, club goes on a tear for whatever extra added motivation, plus the opposing team can't read what play they might run next, because they are playing an never-seen-before, totally unpredictable team.

Blazer fans on our local internet forum are now making comparisons as to how our new interim coach Kalem Canales is superior to Nate McMillan.

I'm not saying that they are wrong, but would question anybody who makes that kind of conclusion after one game. They also claim that we beat the best team in the NBA. I made a mistake of suggesting that Derrick Rose-less Bulls is a team with the best record, but not the best team in the league. They reminded me that the same team, also without Rose, beat the Miami Heat the other night.

God bless the internet Blazer fans.

Definitely can't deny those points, if the starting lineup stays away from injuries then the Spurs can become a really solid team for a few seasons.

But like you said, they are so old, also suffer so much injuries. If they continue past this season, I'd be surprised, but wouldn't be the first, or second time they've proven me wrong!

Edit:

The Portland Trail Blazers have renounced their rights to Patty Mills, clearing the way for him to sign with another NBA team.

Already, reports are surfacing that Mills will sign a deal with San Antonio. link

Yay........

 

[Paulie]

But aren't we past the deadline now meaning Mills can't sign with anyone until next season? I hope Golden State sign him, he can back up Curry and play with Bogut.

 

[a6m5]

But aren't we past the deadline now meaning Mills can't sign with anyone until next season? I hope Golden State sign him, he can back up Curry and play with Bogut.

No, deadline was for trades. Patty seems like a nice guy. I wish him the best wherever he ends up.

 

[JohnBM01]

I found out that Marcus Camby and Derek Fisher will join the Rockets. Not sure who we all traded for (besides Jonny Flynn and Hasheem Thabeet), but this is a start towards some more veteran leadership for the young Rockets. Bill Worrell (Houston Rockets' play-by-play announcer) usually says that the Rockets' management believes in being a winner. So I hope these trades will work out.

Oh, and we failed yesterday at the Clippers. I was at a family function, so I wasn't able to watch the game in its entirety. Rockets at Suns tonight for my boys.

 

[a6m5]

I think I read that Fish was being bought out. Kind of crazy. You are gonna pay him anyway, unless substantially less in the buyout, he would be an asset off the bench.

Unless it's rigged and he's going right back to the Lakers.

Edit: Nevermind:

One team he will not be joining is the Los Angeles Lakers. The new CBA signed in December limits teams who trade a player who is then bought out from re-signing that player for a six-month duration. The Lakers could bring Fisher back, but not until next season.

link

 

[JohnBM01]

I couldn't watch this one at two moments. Rockets swept failing in this road trip. Our latest fail was an 99-86 job in Phoenix. We needed to win both of the games on this trip in hopes of better playoff positioning. But at this point, Rockets may have to try again for the 2012-2013 season. So here is our latest road trip results: lost 95-91 at L.A. Clippers, and lost 99-86 at Suns. We're now... 24-22, I believe.

Up next is a game every other day this week as part of a four-game home stand. Next Monday and next Tuesday is a Kings (HOME) and Mavericks (AWAY) back-to-back. Rockets will need to start winning and winning often to have any hopes of sneaking into the playoffs. And of course, we'll need help from everybody else ahead of us.


I think I learned that Derek Fisher may announce retirement or something tomorrow, so the Rockets' hopes will fade quite a bit more. Yay, us...

 

[Stavingo]

I think Fisher was traded for Jordan Hill, at least that's what I saw on ESPN.

 

[Villain]

Fisher won't be a Rocket.

Derek Fisher confirms buyout deal with Rockets
By GREG BEACHAM, AP Sports Writer

LOS ANGELES (AP)—Derek Fisher confirmed Sunday night he has reached a buyout agreement with the Houston Rockets.

The 37-year-old point guard gave no indication of his plans for the future in a statement issued by his business manager.

The eighth-place Rockets acquired Fisher from the Los Angeles Lakers on Thursday, and the club was eager to put Fisher into its lineup, even planning to pick up his $3.4 million option for next season.

“Derek’s desire to win a sixth championship is what drives him and will continue to drive him as he moves forward,” manager Jamie Wior said in the statement.

If Fisher clears waivers in the next few days, he would become a free agent.

The Lakers traded the five-time NBA champion guard to Houston on Thursday for backup big man Jordan Hill. Los Angeles made the move partly to clear playing time for Ramon Sessions, acquired earlier in the day from Cleveland, but also to avoid paying significant salaries to three point guards.

Although Fisher’s contributions have declined in recent years, the trade upset the Lakers’ veterans—including Kobe Bryant, who considered Fisher an invaluable ingredient in the team’s chemistry. Bryant and Fisher were teammates for 13 of their 16 NBA seasons, serving as co-captains this season.

Bryant, Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum all said they spoke to Fisher over the previous three days since the Lakers traded him.

“I know it’s hard to go through what he’s going through,” said Gasol, the subject of innumerable trade rumors himself. “We’ll see what ends up happening with him, but I’m not sure what he wants to do.”

Bryant said he had discussed the future with Fisher, but declined to share Fisher’s plans.

Fisher had played in 537 consecutive NBA games and had made 371 straight starts over the past five seasons for the Lakers, but the NBA players’ union leader was averaging just 5.9 points—his lowest average in 13 years—and 3.3 assists this season.

Sessions has injected quickness and ball-penetration skills into the Lakers in just two games. He had 10 points and six assists off the bench in the Lakers’ 103-99 loss to Utah on Sunday night.

Backup Steve Blake took Fisher’s starting spot, but the veteran hasn’t scored a point in his first two starts.

 

[JohnBM01]

The NBA Fan Night game will be Phoenix at Miami. It's Suns at Heat (or maybe Los Suns at El Heat if it's another one of those NBA Latino nights). My Rockets will begin a four-game home stand starting tonight against the Lakers.


Good luck to all of your team(s). Enjoy some NBA 'ball!

 

[JohnBM01]

Two words: LAKERS LOSE! We had a come-from-behind 107-104 victory against the Lakers. One big key was Andrew Bynum getting ejected as well as the Rockets actually SCORING for a change in the 2nd Half. It was a grind-it-out effort for Red Rising as we're now 25-22 on this condensed season. Every win helps for the Rockets at this point.

Equally good was that the Suns lost at the Heat, and Phoenix is one of two other teams trying to battle for the 8th Playoff seed at this point. The Suns' little back-to-back doesn't get any easier- they're AT the Magic tomorrow night. Ouch!

 

[JohnBM01]

Here are some results from tonight's matches that have concluded as of the time of this post:

* El Magic took down Los Suns 103-93 down in Orlando.

* The Knicks continue their winning ways with an 82-79 win at Philadelphia.

* The Chicago Bulls tamed the Toronto Raptors 94-82 in Toronto.

* In a 108-89 rout, the Wizards beat down the Nets in Newark, NJ.

* I read a game-winning three vaulted the Atlanta Hawks over Cleveland 103-102 in Overtime in Atlanta.

* The Warriors of Golden State won 101-92 at New Orleans.

* Oklahoma City turned the Los Angeles Clippers into pancakes with a 114-91 beating.


So Derek Fisher is too good for the Rockets, ended up going to the Thunder. Hell, you might as well GIVE Oklahoma City [at least] the Western Conference championship with this signing.

 

[Stavingo]

Wow, Fish ends up at OKC?

 

[McLaren]

If Cuban needs to free up cap space next season to get Deron, he better get rid of Odom instead of Marion. Jesus Christ Odom, you suck, you crybaby.