Need 50 lap setup for Nascar - Daytona

[GTP_Big Daddy]

There are drivers out there that can go 50 laps at Daytona in their Nascar and not pit. I've seen this several times and for the life of me I can't figure out how they do it. If anyone has a setup that can make 45 to 50 laps at Daytona please share.

 

[SteveCC]

They should make te real Daytona 500, not just the last two laps after a pit! green, white, checker :^(

Have you tried to do fifty laps on practice mode with tire wear? I'm interested top try this now for sure!

 

[GTP_Big Daddy]

I can go 37 laps in practice mode then my rear tires are gone and I run out of gas at the same time..

 

[Mudd]

The 50 lap setup is somewhat of an underground secret, the guys using it are trying to keep it that way. I did overhear some people discussing it, they were not giving exact numbers but they mentioned very extreme camber. I'm reaching 38 laps with camber at 4.5 (which is redicously high) and 0.0 toe

 

[Mudd]

I should add, my rear camber is still lower then that, I can't control the car with both that high. And Im getting the 38 laps during online races, if I were not bump drafting and passing, I'm sure I could hit 40

 

[veyron1001]

Wont get a 50lap setup for Daytona

 

[RA1D3R]

The 50 lap setup is somewhat of an underground secret, the guys using it are trying to keep it that way. I did overhear some people discussing it, they were not giving exact numbers but they mentioned very extreme camber. I'm reaching 38 laps with camber at 4.5 (which is redicously high) and 0.0 toe

Is that 4.5 camber front and rear?

 

[GTP_Big Daddy]

Doesn't the high camber slow you down?

 

[dr_slump]

No it doesn't slow you down
(Try front camber 6.0 and rear 1.8)

But honestly, no one will give you a tune for 50 laps. You have to find the right setup by yourself.
With my own setup, I can go 50 laps with race soft tires. The tire wear is not the problem, the fuel consumption is the big deal. You have to draft the whole time to save fuel.

This tune was my basic, just tweak it a little bit:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4561045#post4561045

 

[RA1D3R]

What is a good setup to get 35+ laps and whats the best driving line? I can only get 27 max.

 

[GTP_Big Daddy]

Hey Dr. Slump,

I've tried a million different camber settings and never noticed any improved tire ware. I know you have to draft the entire race to get fuel mileage, and have had some success with tire ware with negative toe especially on the rear. My setup is very similar to the one you refered to with the exception of the camber. I'll give it another try but I don't think it will work. Thanks for the suggestion..

 

[GTP_Big Daddy]

I tried that camber setting (-6.0 on the front/1.8 rear) and all that did was make the front tires wear out sooner. It did handle a little better ad did not slow down the car. There is no way that setup will last 50 laps even while drafting with a wheel and driving the proper line. So I'm back to square one still looking for ultimate 50 lap setup. I think it might be possible to go 50 laps if I restricted the engine power but then I would get lapped and then what would be the point.

 

[dr_slump]

The setup I refered is only good for about 35 laps.
I never said that it could run 50. You have to tweak it definitely.
Restricting the power is, like you said, no solution.

 

[Mudd]

So far my Daytona tire wear testing has shown that the actual camber settings have no effect on wear, however, your traction does. If your camber angle causes you to squeal tires through the corner, that's where the wear is. I have also found that you can use toe and spring rate settings to eliminate the squeal (and tire wear) without changing the camber. The setup I mentioned earlier has 4.5 fr and 2.0 rear camber, with stiff springs and slight toe out front, slight toe in rear, I've raced 38 laps. Many of the laps were drafting, but I was not going for laps at the time, I was trying to stay ahead of the rest of the field. From what I can tell, 50 laps should be possible, but it would make for a pretty boring race. I think realistically, if you want tires to last and still want to actually race, 35 laps is the best tire wear to aim for

 

[GTP_Big Daddy]

I agree, I think it is more about toe than camber. I also found if you put some downforce on the rear you can get a couple more laps but you will lose a couple of tenths per lap.

 

[RA1D3R]

Can anyone post their setup please?

 

[dr_slump]

I also found if you put some downforce on the rear you can get a couple more laps but you will lose a couple of tenths per lap.

The lap time doesn't matter when you're drafting.

 

[GTP_Big Daddy]

Can anyone post their setup please?

This should get you 36 hard laps.

Tires: Soft
DF: 20/44
Trans: 249
R/H +15/+15
S/R 18/19
Damp 8/4, 8/4
Roll: 4/4
Camber: 4/1
Toe: -.20/ -.35

LSD: 60/60/20

 

[GTP_Big Daddy]

The lap time doesn't matter when you're drafting.

The lap time does matter when you are drafting. I have found that tire wear is relative to lap times in that if you are making 40.0 second laps while drafting and 42.0 second laps when racing alone you can expect to get better tire wear at 42 second laps. The reason you may want to stay in the draft is because of fuel usage which may be more important than tire wear especially in the longer races. Nothing worse than sitting in the pits waiting for that "slow-ass" gas man because you wasted fuel bump-drafting all the way around the track.

 

[dr_slump]

@GTP-Big Daddy
I wanted to say that nobody in front of you can run faster than you

And like I said, tire wear is not the problem of a 50 lap race......

 

[RA1D3R]

This should get you 36 hard laps.

Tires: Soft
DF: 20/44
Trans: 249
R/H +15/+15
S/R 18/19
Damp 8/4, 8/4
Roll: 4/4
Camber: 4/1
Toe: -.20/ -.35

LSD: 60/60/20

I'll give it a go. Thanks!

 

[dr_slump]

@GTP_Big Daddy

OK, sorry!
I was wrong, tire wear is a problem for you (till you got a good setup).

But it doesn't matter how fast you are. I have a setup for 41.XXX laps, but it's only good for 35 rounds. With my 50 laps tune, I can only drive 42.XXX times. That's 1 sec slower (unbelieveable, right?).
But I'm as fast as the other players. How?
No one in front of you can be faster than you when you're drafting.
The second advantage is that you save fuel.

I also found if you put some downforce on the rear you can get a couple more laps but you will lose a couple of tenths per lap.

Just try it in a full online lobby!

 

[GTP_Big Daddy]

The setup I posted is good for 36 laps and all four of the tires will wear out at the same time. You won't see the right rear wear out early like I've seen with other tunes. I've run quite a few 200 lap races and this tune is no good. If I could stretch to forty laps I would be competitive.

 

[RA1D3R]

The setup I posted is good for 36 laps and all four of the tires will wear out at the same time. You won't see the right rear wear out early like I've seen with other tunes. I've run quite a few 200 lap races and this tune is no good. If I could stretch to forty laps I would be competitive.

Yeah, thanks fo the setup, I tried it last night and got a good 33 laps out of it. I just don't think you will touch 40+ laps without a wheel.

 

[pampsu]

With good bunch of drafting you can save fuel. Wheels will live longer if you add wings and go slower in curves but then don't lose draft. So basically you are racing like a parasite this way. Pro Nascar drivers avoid letting anybody going that way.

 

[dr_slump]

.....
So basically you are racing like a parasite this way. Pro Nascar drivers avoid letting anybody going that way.

But there are enough inexperienced drivers online.

No seriously, what's the problem? Shall I overtake them like a crazy and risk a crash?
Believe me, the most players out there are very pleased when I drive behind them.

 

[chukabilly]

With good bunch of drafting you can save fuel. Wheels will live longer if you add wings and go slower in curves but then don't lose draft. So basically you are racing like a parasite this way. Pro Nascar drivers avoid letting anybody going that way.

Jimmie Johnson and Dale Jr. just won Talladega doing that. They only made the pass on the last lap.

 

[pampsu]

But there are enough inexperienced drivers online.

No seriously, what's the problem? Shall I overtake them like a crazy and risk a crash?
Believe me, the most players out there are very pleased when I drive behind them.

But if you are racing with a good player who has same strategy as you. How will you manage then?

 

[dr_slump]

But if you are racing with a good player who has same strategy as you. How will you manage then?

I'll draft 49 laps (there are enough other players) and slow down in round 50 to be 2. in the last corner.

 

[pampsu]

I'll draft 49 laps (there are enough other players) and slow down in round 50 to be 2. in the last corner.

The others who just race along are half a lap behind
Yea saving all up to last 500 meters and your opponent cuts over grass and wins.. that's the beauty of online Nascar