Need more speed

[FishHunters]

Hey guys, need a little help.

I'm consistently about 3-5 seconds off the pace in a race. Laguna & Suzuka.

Driving a RM Corvette ZR1. 502HP 1150kg. Can't change either. Got one that's maxed in parts and the other only has a Supercharger added. Next race is a 1hr Nurb 24h track.

In practicing today I've adjusted the gear ratio to spend more time at higher RPM's in the first 4 gears. The maxed one right now is 502/3800RPM - the other 502/4000RPM. Adjusted the front springs from 12.3 to 15 because I have the brakes set 6/9 ABS 1. Can't lower the car because it's comes at 0/0 minumum.

Any other ideas to pick up those 3 seconds?

Thanks!

 

[dr_slump]

Drive better!

Seriously, have you tried every available tune for it?

 

[FishHunters]

Drive better!

Seriously, have you tried every available tune for it?

That may be the answer. But, I'm still tinkering. Bought and RM'ed a brand new one. Changed the oil and I noticed bare it's 5100 RPM; but I'm STILL 3-5 off the fastest laps. Suzuka it's 2:01.xx - My best has been 2:03.xx; avearge 2:04.xx - 2:06.xx

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Go with the max tuned one and set your gearing VERY long, then shift at whatever puts you down to 3800rpm exactly. You'll notice a large change in acceleration. You don't want to ever be below 3800 but you want to be as little above it as possible as well.

 

[dr_slump]

Hey guys, need a little help.

I'm consistently about 3-5 seconds off the pace in a race. Laguna & Suzuka.

Driving a RM Corvette ZR1. 502HP 1150kg. Can't change either. Got one that's maxed in parts and the other only has a Supercharger added. Next race is a 1hr Nurb 24h track.

I'm sorry, but when you lose 3-5 seconds on a "short" track like Laguna or Suzuka, no tune in the world would shape off these time for you. NEVER!
1-2 seconds, yes! But 3-5.....no way!

 

[FishHunters]

Go with the max tuned one and set your gearing VERY long, then shift at whatever puts you down to 3800rpm exactly. You'll notice a large change in acceleration. You don't want to ever be below 3800 but you want to be as little above it as possible as well.

I'll give that a shot!

I'm sorry, but when you lose 3-5 seconds on a "short" track like Laguna or Suzuka, no tune in the world would shape off these time for you. NEVER!
1-2 seconds, yes! But 3-5.....no way!

Give me those 1-2 and I'll work on the rest. Suzuka isn't exactly short. 3.81 Miles.

 

[dr_slump]

I'll give that a shot!



Give me those 1-2 and I'll work on the rest. Suzuka isn't exactly short. 3.81 Miles.

A time of around 2min is "short" compared with tracks like Nordschleife, Circuit de la Sarthe.

 

[FishHunters]

A time of around 2min is "short" compared with tracks like Nordschleife, Circuit de la Sarthe.

Most race tracks are "short". But one should be able to tune to pick up 2 secs on a short track.

 

[GfxJG]

Tuning can easliy take 3-4 seconds off on a track like Suzuka or Nurb GP/F, to whoever said that.

 

[madmyk]

Are you testing different combos of mods vs power limiter % (besides your max parts and supercharger only versions)? Maybe there is an optimal power limiter setting somewhere in between.

 

[FishHunters]

Are you testing different combos of mods vs power limiter % (besides your max parts and supercharger only versions)? Maybe there is an optimal power limiter setting somewhere in between.

That's exactly what I'm doing.

1. Maxed Parts. 502hp/3800rpm

2. Turbo Charger Only. 502/4000rpm

3. Stock. 502/5100rpm

I think the answer lies in the gearing. I also may be getting the best I'm gonna get since I don't have a stick. Using auto-tranny with paddles. So far everything I try gets me 2.04.xx - 2.06.xx. With a stick I could keep the rpms high through turns.

I don't think the damper or springs are really going to help me. Suzuka is a pretty straight forward track. The S's are managable. First Turn is a moderate power U; 2nd a slow U; 3rd antoher mod power U. The a high speed left followed by a mini-s. All very manageable. Wouldn't want to alter what I get in the straights just for the turns. Not needed. Rather have more speed in the straights.

 

[CyKosis1973]

I'm sorry, but when you lose 3-5 seconds on a "short" track like Laguna or Suzuka, no tune in the world would shape off these time for you. NEVER!
1-2 seconds, yes! But 3-5.....no way!

I beg to differ. I bought a stock M3 from the NCD, took it to Trial Mountain, raced it, recorded my time and then took it to the shop. Long story short, I cut the better part of 8 seconds off my laptimes. The only mods I made were to suspension, transmission and drvietrain. I added no extra power.

Never say NEVER bro...

{Cy}

 

[Adrenaline]

So sick of people asking for help and giving us zero information on what they're currently using. Answer Dr_Slumps question, have you tried any of the tunes for this car, by the major tuning garages?
Do you have to use the vette?

@ Cykosis, I'm willing to bet that was 80% driver/car/track learning curve.
No way in hell tuning can shave 8 seconds off of Trial Mountain.
I'd literally have to drive blind folded to see an 8 second difference.

 

[FishHunters]

So sick of people asking for help and giving us zero information on what they're currently using. Answer Dr_Slumps question, have you tried any of the tunes for this car, by the major tuning garages?
Do you have to use the vette?

@ Cykosis, I'm willing to bet that was 80% driver/car/track learning curve.
No way in hell tuning can shave 8 seconds off of Trial Mountain.
I'd literally have to drive blind folded to see an 8 second difference.

Thought I did a pretty good job of giving info in the OP. If I need to give more then just ask for what you need. Yes, I've actually printed and tried two tunes. Both of which are so different it's incredible. You want the specs on it? I'll post if you like. On one the it was said the time on Suzuka was 1:41.xxx. However, it used like 900 something HP. That's a 20sec difference using 400 more HP. So sick of people not reading the OP and getting mad. You know you're not required to post if you don't like what's being said, right?

 

[Adrenaline]

Thought I did a pretty good job of giving info in the OP. If I need to give more then just ask for what you need. Yes, I've actually printed and tried two tunes. Both of which are so different it's incredible. You want the specs on it? I'll post if you like. On one the it was said the time on Suzuka was 1:41.xxx. However, it used like 900 something HP. That's a 20sec difference using 400 more HP. So sick of people not reading the OP and getting mad. You know you're not required to post if you don't like what's being said, right?

I need to know what setup is under your car.
I need to see the values.
That way if you have some stupid, blatantly obvious mistake, I can spot it and say "Silly, no wonder you're so slow!" and then tell you how to fix it.
But no, all you did is say "My car sucks, fix it!!!"
You gave me a front spring, ride height and brake balance.
Front spring means jack **** if I don't know it's relation to the rear spring.
Ride height, all you did is tell me that the car can't be lowered, do you even have it set at 0/0?
Brake Balance, oh wow, that paints a picture.

Then, after not giving your setup, for us to try and help, you don't even tell us what you're car is doing.
"I'm 3-5 seconds too slow."
Wow, so much detail, you fix that by... oh well.. I don't know how to fix it, because I don't know what the car is doing wrong.

So, 1: Give every piece of your setup so we can see it.
2: Is the car loose or tight, n high, medium or low speed corners, on entry center or exit?
There are a million different possibilities, and I don't know a single one unless you tell me.

The only information you gave us was "I have a Corvette at 502hp and it's 3 seconds too slow." and you think that I'm being a **** by asking for more information, so that I can try to help you?

You don't go to a doctor and say, 'I don't feel good." and expect him to fix it.
That's why I'm sick of people who act this way. No common sense.

So, you tried 2 tunes, great. Which 2 did you try? Why didn't they work, what did or didn't you like about them?

Edit: Do you use a wheel, or a DS3, what's your driving style like? I must have missed all this info int he OP, because I can't read, clearly it can't be because it's not there.

 

[dr_slump]

Tuning can easliy take 3-4 seconds off on a track like Suzuka or Nurb GP/F, to whoever said that.

Oh yeah Mr. Super Duper show me a tune for the ZR1 RM which makes the car 3-5 seconds faster on Suzuka. SHOW IT!!!

I beg to differ. I bought a stock M3 from the NCD, took it to Trial Mountain, raced it, recorded my time and then took it to the shop. Long story short, I cut the better part of 8 seconds off my laptimes. The only mods I made were to suspension, transmission and drvietrain. I added no extra power.

I'm sorry, but I can't believe it. NEVER!

 

[Onboy123]

I'm guessing one of the tunes he tried was Avid's, as the lap times he mentioned was a 1:41.xxx……

 

[FishHunters]

I need to know what setup is under your car.
I need to see the values.
That way if you have some stupid, blatantly obvious mistake, I can spot it and say "Silly, no wonder you're so slow!" and then tell you how to fix it.
But no, all you did is say "My car sucks, fix it!!!"
You gave me a front spring, ride height and brake balance.
Front spring means jack **** if I don't know it's relation to the rear spring.
Ride height, all you did is tell me that the car can't be lowered, do you even have it set at 0/0?
Brake Balance, oh wow, that paints a picture.

Then, after not giving your setup, for us to try and help, you don't even tell us what you're car is doing.
"I'm 3-5 seconds too slow."
Wow, so much detail, you fix that by... oh well.. I don't know how to fix it, because I don't know what the car is doing wrong.

So, 1: Give every piece of your setup so we can see it.
2: Is the car loose or tight, n high, medium or low speed corners, on entry center or exit?
There are a million different possibilities, and I don't know a single one unless you tell me.

The only information you gave us was "I have a Corvette at 502hp and it's 3 seconds too slow." and you think that I'm being a **** by asking for more information, so that I can try to help you?

You don't go to a doctor and say, 'I don't feel good." and expect him to fix it.
That's why I'm sick of people who act this way. No common sense.

So, you tried 2 tunes, great. Which 2 did you try? Why didn't they work, what did or didn't you like about them?

Edit: Do you use a wheel, or a DS3, what's your driving style like? I must have missed all this info int he OP, because I can't read, clearly it can't be because it's not there.

New to tuning so I don't know what to tell you. Clearly, it's an irritant to you. So appreciate the brow beating; I'll figure it out on my own.

 

[Adrenaline]

Ignorance among the human race is what irritates me. That has nothing to do with GT5 or this forum though, other than the fact one forces me to be surrounded by the other.

Being new to tuning doesn't mean anything. A 4 year old can explain what a car is doing in at least some form of words and sounds. It won't be common race terminology, but I'll still understand what he's talking about. So if you refuse to give any useful information, then you're condemning yourself to not receiving any. Simple as that.

If you want to throw a tantrum, act like a baby, and refuse to cooperate, because someone pointed out the flaws in your post, sobeit. If you can grow up, answer the questions asked, (Of which you know, every single point was valid) then we can move on and you can get the answers you're looking for. The choice is yours.

 

[FishHunters]

Poof! I think he's gone! "Doesn't play well with others is EXACTLY right!"

 

[Adrenaline]

Poof! I think he's gone! "Doesn't play well with others is EXACTLY right!"

You do realize that we get to choose our own titles...

 

[GfxJG]

Oh yeah Mr. Super Duper show me a tune for the ZR1 RM which makes the car 3-5 seconds faster on Suzuka. SHOW IT!!!

I'm actually quite 🤬 tempted to do so, you ignorant 🤬

 

[Adrenaline]

I'm actually quite 🤬 tempted to do so, you ignorant 🤬

I'd also like to see you do it. Although I think 3 seconds on Suzuka is probably obtainable with enough work and a really good tune.
I'll take the stock ZR1 out and lay down a lap. You think you can come up with a tune, that takes 3 seconds off that lap?

 

[Onboy123]

Whoa, whoa, JG, slow down, slow down. Now calm down a bit first…he was just joking, you needn't get ticked off over such a pointless claim, especially with your…um…difficult situation right now, I don't think trying to prove that claim right/wrong is the best course of action…
And Adrenaline, do you think that the tune will make up for the difference in skill between you and JG or are you going to drive both the stock ZR1 and the ZR1 JG tuned?

 

[GfxJG]

I'd also like to see you do it. Although I think 3 seconds on Suzuka is probably obtainable with enough work and a really good tune.
I'll take the stock ZR1 out and lay down a lap. You think you can come up with a tune, that takes 3 seconds off that lap?

So you set a lap, and I work out a tune? I'm almost saying that the one in my garage is fine for that =P

Whoa, whoa, JG, slow down, slow down. Now calm down a bit first…he was just joking, you needn't get ticked off over such a pointless claim, especially with your…um…difficult situation right now, I don't think trying to prove that claim right/wrong is the best course of action…
And Adrenaline, do you think that the tune will make up for the difference in skill between you and JG or are you going to drive both the stock ZR1 and the ZR1 JG tune?

Eh, problem is somewhat sorted out, my brain is somehwat whole again XD But really, I often shave 3-4 seconds off my time at Nurb GP/F when tuning.

 

[Onboy123]

So you set a lap, and I work out a tune? I'm almost saying that the one in my garage is fine for that =P



Eh, problem is somewhat sorted out, my brain is somehwat whole again XD But really, I often shave 3-4 seconds off my time at Nurb GP/F when tuning.

Well, the one in your garage is a 600hp one (?), and the ZR1 in question has 502hp. And the car is supposed to be driven on Suzuka, not the Nurburgring GP/F, so do you really think 3 seconds could be gained from a suspension, LSD and gearbox tweak? I look forward to it though, just keep calm ok?

 

[Adrenaline]

And Adrenaline, do you think that the tune will make up for the difference in skill between you and JG or are you going to drive both the stock ZR1 and the ZR1 JG tuned?

I assumed I would be driving them both, otherwise it would be pointless.
A D1 Gold driver can run 3 seconds faster than me with a stock car, no matter what tune I use, lol.

So you set a lap, and I work out a tune? I'm almost saying that the one in my garage is fine for that =P

If you want to try, I'm willing to test it out for you. I haven't driven the Vette in months, I use to love it, I just moved on. Like I said, Suzuka is big enough that it's possible, but still unlikely. 8 Seconds at Trial is redonkulous, and 3-5 seconds at Laguna is also unrealistic (which is what Slump was referring to).

But if you want to try it JG, just say the words.

 

[GfxJG]

Lol, relax. I am calm. I am very calm. I AM TOTALLY 🤬 CALM! Nah, JK ;D And yes, 3 seconds on Suzuka should be acheivable. Maybe not by me, but my RJ or Roj or the likes, maybe. 2 seconds should be easy though.

EDIT: Adrenaline, set the lap. I'm just afraid that a tune to my driving style may be suited to yours?

 

[Onboy123]

Ok then, leave it to Adrenaline to do the driving, you provide the tune for the car. If things don't go to plan and the 'vette isn't faster by at least 3 seconds, then you drive to prove your point.
And I don't know about you guys, but do you think the good doctor Slump is getting a bit………worked up about these relatively minor levels of incompetence and lack of knowledge now?
Edit: here's JG's tune for the ZR1, it's for a 905hp one though…
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5290335#post5290335

 

[Adrenaline]

1:50.738 With everything at default.
You've got a pretty good advantage here, because the default downforce on the Vette is so low, that when maxed out, there should be a good amount of ground to make up. I only put in 6 laps, but it felt like a good enough lap, to represent the cars default capabilities. I remember why I enjoyed this car so much. It's fun to drive, tail happy and doesn't hook up very well.