Need X2010 tune--undriveable wobble

[SoCal Senator]

Guys, not sure if it's some secret or whatever, but I can't find a tune for the X2010. Mine is undriveable on straightaways, it wobbles violently. Have done structural mod, and tried different driving settings with zero luck (asm, active steering, etc.). Currently have a tune in there that works good on the FGT.

Can ya help a brotha out? Thanks

 

[Mac K]

Keep in mind you're doing 300mph plus, so naturally it would wobble, I could be wrong though...

 

[Mr. CoolFiat]

Nevermind...

 

[SoCal Senator]

Keep in mind you're doing 300mph plus, so naturally it would wobble, I could be wrong though...

It's not at that fast a speed as it shakes horribly before I get to 230ish even. Its Worst at Indy, but it corners fine. I use a DFGT, and can't seem to turn off the force feedback--tried unplugging and even PS3 menu (accessories)--it either does not steer when unplugged or FF stays on.

Maddening.

PS: it doesn't happen in the FGT even at 270+

 

[No_OBsT33R]

Positive toe hard core values.

 

[Adrenaline]

When a car is being shoved that hard into the ground (crazy amounts of downforce on top of the fact it's being sucked down by the vacuum system as well) you're going to feel every grain of sand on the surface of track.

 

[SoCal Senator]

I'll give these last two suggestions a try. Thanks guys.

 

[GfxJG]

It's a well known issue with having a wheel. This make me happy for my DS3

 

[dr_slump]

It's a well known issue with having a wheel. This make me happy for my DS3

But we are faster!

@OP I think there's no way to eliminate this problem. It's a wheel issue.

 

[Lion-Face]

I have a G25 wheel just set to default force feedback of 5 and have no issues with wobbling of any of the cars. I used to when I played GT4/GT5Prologue when I had a high force feedback setting.

 

[Golyadkin]

Hey SoCal Senator,

This does sound like a concern especially in light of the excitement a driver might get when behind the wheel of this imaginary car for the first time. Do you have any other X2010s or is this wobbling one your only one? In other words, have all the Red Bull X2010s that you've driven done this violent wobbling?

I will say that this car does have uniquely touchy steering, but it is touchy in just the right way -- only the slightest thought of turning and it goes there...

I use a G27 and have driven two different X2010s, each earned new. I don't think this problem occurs with either of mine, whether I'm using the G27 or the DS3. My older X2010 has over 3000 miles on it - about half my driving with the wheel/DS3 and the other half B-spec miles. Both the older X2010 and the new do not wiggle the way you've described yours.

Some suggestions that may be worth trying to correct the wobble are in line with what has already been said:

- A little (or a lot, as has been suggested) positive toe angle (especially for the rear tires) although this may make your car a little hesitant to turn-in/more sluggish steering response in general

- Decrease front downforce while increasing rear (though default aerodynamics on the X2010 are set this way already)

- Did you purchase the chassis rigidity increase? I have not purchased that for either of my X2010s, but I doubt that modification would create such a wobble as you've described. It might even help (?).

I remember from GT4 that the Audi R8 (the race car, ie. predecessor to the R10, R15, etc.) would become next to impossible to drive with such an awful wiggle even on the straights halfway through the longest endurance races. The chassis would get so beat up from all those miles (+ speed) that it wasn't firm enough to keep any sort of manageable attitude on the straights or in turns. Those issues came down to the chassis rigidity needing renewal, and you've said that you've already tried this in GT Auto... I feel for you. This car should drive straight - wheel or no wheel.

 

[SoCal Senator]

Hey SoCal Senator,

This does sound like a concern especially in light of the excitement a driver might get when behind the wheel of this imaginary car for the first time. Do you have any other X2010s or is this wobbling one your only one? In other words, have all the Red Bull X2010s that you've driven done this violent wobbling?

I will say that this car does have uniquely touchy steering, but it is touchy in just the right way -- only the slightest thought of turning and it goes there...

I use a G27 and have driven two different X2010s, each earned new. I don't think this problem occurs with either of mine, whether I'm using the G27 or the DS3. My older X2010 has over 3000 miles on it - about half my driving with the wheel/DS3 and the other half B-spec miles. Both the older X2010 and the new do not wiggle the way you've described yours.

Some suggestions that may be worth trying to correct the wobble are in line with what has already been said:

- A little (or a lot, as has been suggested) positive toe angle (especially for the rear tires) although this may make your car a little hesitant to turn-in/more sluggish steering response in general

- Decrease front downforce while increasing rear (though default aerodynamics on the X2010 are set this way already)

- Did you purchase the chassis rigidity increase? I have not purchased that for either of my X2010s, but I doubt that modification would create such a wobble as you've described. It might even help (?).

I remember from GT4 that the Audi R8 (the race car, ie. predecessor to the R10, R15, etc.) would become next to impossible to drive with such an awful wiggle even on the straights halfway through the longest endurance races. The chassis would get so beat up from all those miles (+ speed) that it wasn't firm enough to keep any sort of manageable attitude on the straights or in turns. Those issues came down to the chassis rigidity needing renewal, and you've said that you've already tried this in GT Auto... I feel for you. This car should drive straight - wheel or no wheel.

Thanks for lengthy reply. I am far from a rookie driver--in GT5, previous NASCAR sims, online racing, and IRL. I've used a wheel for years. I was able to disconnect wheel to remove all FF, but that is just as bad really.

I tried some tuning changes as suggested in here and to try to replicate the FGT tunes I've been successful with. I know it's not the same car, but it was a starting point. These changes, especially to the toe, have helped reduce the shaking to a manageable level, but it still takes a good bit of effort to keep it steady in the Indy straights. Any distance races would be agonizing.

Only changes made other than oil were the chassis rigidity update. My B Specs don't have any trouble with the shaking.

I guess my real concern is why it seems to be such a secret in the GT5 community to post a tune for this car. It's like a dark conspiracy. There are tunes for every other car ever made. Whole Internet searches come up with next to nothing.

Thanks for your help so far.

 

[Skunkyskunkface]

Alot if my high downforce, high speed cars develop this wobble at speed. It seems to be worse at particular tracks (grand valley especially?) I generally just hold my wheel as straight as possible. I set my force feedback low at 2 anyways so usually isn't too bad. Have only just unlocked red bull challenge though so can't comment really on the x1 other than saying that although I get a little wobble on the monza test it's never uncontrollable for me. I use a dfgt.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

People seem to be keeping X1 tunes a bit secret, almost like a dark art...whatever.

Try this Red Bull x1 / x2010 tune for use with a wheel:

downforce max/max ( and decrease by 5 front and back until you start sliding too much again- then take it up a notch)

diff 8/43/21

spring rate 20/20

damper ext 10/10

damper comp 10/10

anti roll 7/7

camber -3.7/-3.7

toe -0.28/+0.27

trans 280

brakes 5/2

to avoid wobbles and make the car more stable ---turn off all assists! The only one I even consider using is ASM - that's it.

Many thanks to Leyba and SerialMDK for sharing tuning tips and helping guys like me get faster, while keeping the X1 out of the gravel.

This is not a B spec car people...this is the ultimate racing machine.

 

[SoCal Senator]

People seem to be keeping X1 tunes a bit secret, almost like a dark art...whatever.

Try this Red Bull x1 / x2010 tune for use with a wheel:

downforce max/max ( and decrease by 5 front and back until you start sliding too much again- then take it up a notch)

diff 8/43/21

spring rate 20/20

damper ext 10/10

damper comp 10/10

anti roll 7/7

camber -3.7/-3.7

toe -0.28/+0.27

trans 280

brakes 5/2

to avoid wobbles and make the car more stable ---turn off all assists! The only one I even consider using is ASM - that's it.

Many thanks to Leyba and SerialMDK for sharing tuning tips and helping guys like me get faster, while keeping the X1 out of the gravel.

This is not a B spec car people...this is the ultimate racing machine.

Thanks I'll give it a try. Actually got my DFGT to 0 FFB, so it drives much better!

 

[Cauchy]

In terms of tunes, I treat the x2010 like my F2007 in regards of tuning the suspension.

For the wobble, you can either pull the power to the wheel, disabling force-feedback. Or, dial the dampeners and spring settings to eliminate it (decreasing the amount of front toe out will help with straight line stability, but at the expense of turn ability). I would not recommend driving with it if it wobbles, it can mess your wheel up.

 

[Cauchy]

To tune the dampeners, I would start with the bump set to the softest setting, then incrementally increase it until it feels too stiff, or laps times start to increase. At which point you simply back off to the previous setting. Then do the same exact thing for the rebound setting.

Dampener setting are dependent on both sprung and unsprung weight of the car, thus adjusting the spring rate will mean you will also have to adjust the dampeners.

I would not recommend simply maxing out the spring rates, and the dampeners. By doing so, your not letting the suspension of the car function properly, resulting in overloading the front tires during corner entry and the rear tires under corner exist, because the energy the springs should absorb, and dampeners should dissipate, is instead transferred to the wheels.

 

[SoCal Senator]

Thx for advice. I was able to turn off FFB on the DFGT, so it drives fine now. Thx again all!

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

I'm no mustard, but it works for me around most tracks with all assists off.

 

[posimosh]

If you are having trouble under deceleration,especially in a straight line check to make sure your deceleration LSD setting is correct. A good way to test this is go to sarthe with rain get cookin pretty good down mulsanne (all that matters is it's flat) and then let off the gas and downshift a touch too quickly. If your decel is too loose one of your drive tyres will lock while the other still is still "slipping" and you will at least get a gnarly tank slapper going or if u don't catch it, a spin. If it is set too tight, both can lock prematurely wasting tyre grip, and, if extreme they won't unlock in time for u to regain control.
In a straight line there can be many reasons for a shudder especially at speed, one that a lot of folks miss is aero imbalance to the rear. If this gets too extreme your fronts will leave the ground. To demonstrate this, get a hot wheels car and put one finger on the rear, apply a bit of pressure and try to push it straight. This effect can be compounded with rapid deceleration which can load your front suspension causing loss of control or even causing ground wheel bounce. This can be further compounded by rapid input throttle or otherwise in that any load during a bounce will likely max out your suspension load causing another loss of control.

 

[Motor City Hami]

I was really surprised to see how few tunes (two) were listed for the X1 in Adrenalines tune database. One link goes nowhere and the other tune doesn't change much from stock. I think it's time for the tuning community to tame this car since we now all own it.

 

[MemorableC]

my dfgt is set at 10 ffb and power steering off and i dont get any wobble.

There are no x1 tunes because no one can drive this car to its max.

 

[MALICE75]

There is a good tune by seoulspirit which was shared in the last issue of GTlife. Link below:

https://www.gtplanet.net/gtlife-gran-turismo-fan-magazine-issue-2-now-available/