New 2020 Tesla Roadster

[SlipZtrEm]

It reminds me of the Mazda RX-8.

While the RX-8 was penned before his time at Mazda, there definitely is still some of that company's design flair in Franz von Holzhausen's Tesla lines. Probably why I like 'em so much.

The new Roadster definitely comes off as a distraction, but hey, it works. The Model S is getting a little old, a sporty halo model is just what the company needs in terms of goodwill visibility.

I expect Hollywood will eat this thing up once it's out.

 

[zzz_pt]

VW has 0 profit with Bugatti but they at least sell millions of Polos, Golfs, Caddys, Passats (etc) to make up for it.

It looks like Tesla wants to put the chariot before the horses. They're not even selling and delivering the model 3 and now came up with 2 more models. :/

I'd love to see them success but this seems so awkward.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I wonder if it has a CVT. Otherwise I don't see the 250mph top speed AND 1.9 0-60. Also, the battery pack must be enormous.

Will Tesla go bankrupt before it's released?

 

[SiriusR]

But I dont understand the hype with the ev cars, it is way simpler and actually cheaper than a normal car.

And also more effective than a "normal" car, hence the hype on my end. ICEs are not as efficient as EVs performance-wise and are not as torque-y, and they can barely go anywhere without of a massive hunk of gears of a size comparable to that of the engine itself which adds to the car's weight while not providing power by itself.
I don't care about Musk and the financial side of Tesla (both can go screw themselves with a big slot head), my interest is limited to this thing's capabilities.

It is funny when the sheeple masses think stuff like this is rocket science and that this tech is expensive.

It is funny when some assume that people get hyped about EVs because "rocket science". On the contrary, just like Model S, Roadster is set out to leave ICE-powered cars of its class into dust, and they do it with ease exactly because they are much less of a rocket science than ICE-powered cars. Well, at least Model S is already making boys in drag-spec Chevys upset.

I wonder if it has a CVT.

Does it need one?

 

[Pillo-san]

Don't get why you're being so critical.

Battery technology has been questionable to say the least. Electric cars have been around since 1900, but gas just became a lot easier. It's all reemerging now because EVs are actually worth their salt in this day and age, and are getting to be seriously quick on top of that.

It is not meant to be critical in a negative sense, not aimed at Tesla at least. They can price their stuff how they like. But it is more about that I am so taken by why people are so easily impressed by something like you yourself say have been there since an "aeon" back.

Tech wise this is child's play yet it carries such a premium over a more advanced/intricate combustion powered car.

And battery tech was not that bad back then either.

Yet people thinks Tesla is the most advanced high tech stuff ever, okey.. I do like how the cars look and feel, very premiumesque but underneath it all it is "super" simple compared to an avg car that is.

 

[AshenGraey]

Seems like we are about to get a new benchmark! Wonder if Bugatti, Porsche, McLaren, Ferrari and Koenigsegg will jump on the EV bandwagon...I mean not one of those hypercars created by those guys would be able to keep up with that Tesla...that's just looking at the numbers

 

[The_American]

Profitability doesn't matter in the short-term to "tech companies' like Tesla. Remember Amazon (the techiest of the internet 90s) wasn't even profitable for almost the first 10 years of its life (first profitable quarter reported in 2002 iirc), see Amazon now wiping the mat with the incumbent retailers (brick-and-mortar as well as e-tailers). Right, not apples-2-apples but the market is not being irrational here, not yet. GM, MBenz, VW scrambling to respond. 2018+ will be good for electric vehicles.

Also, good-bye internal combustion....you had a good run there for a bit.

 

[Dennisch]

I expect Hollywood will eat this thing up once it's out.

I really hope so, Tesla is a company thay deserves the investments.

 

[Huzar]

Given their financial losses and problems building model3. I see this as a PR stunt more than anything else to change the conversation about Tesla's struggles and move it towards the future since the present time is never good for them.

Car looks like nothing special, not bad but nothing that would force me to twist my neck to oggle. Performance well i'll believe when they actually build them and sale them.

Seems like we are about to get a new benchmark! Wonder if Bugatti, Porsche, McLaren, Ferrari and Koenigsegg will jump on the EV bandwagon...I mean not one of those hypercars created by those guys would be able to keep up with that Tesla...that's just looking at the numbers

The Maclaren 720s can already spank most of those hypercars.

So likely no they won't jump on the bandwagon given a RWD mclaren super car at 1/5th the cost can achieve hypercar performance.

I really hope so, Tesla is a company thay deserves the investments.

How so given their constant massive loses.

 

[Jump_Ace]

Its a "4 seater" Yea and so is that Corvette down the road


Jerome

 

[zzz_pt]

Profitability doesn't matter in the short-term to "tech companies' like Tesla. Remember Amazon (the techiest of the internet 90s) wasn't even profitable for almost the first 10 years of its life (first profitable quarter reported in 2002 iirc), see Amazon now wiping the mat with the incumbent retailers (brick-and-mortar as well as e-tailers). Right, not apples-2-apples but the market is not being irrational here, not yet. GM, MBenz, VW scrambling to respond. 2018+ will be good for electric vehicles.

Also, good-bye internal combustion....you had a good run there for a bit.

Amazon doesn't need to build assembly lines (mega factories), employ the thousands of people to work there, etc, etc.

Also, the combustion engine is probably the reason why the big companies are holding on to it... Imagine the millions of people they would dismiss by not developing and producing engines alone... Staggering numbers.

 

[Dennisch]

How so given their constant massive loses.

Because these cars are the future, and as explained above, it may take a while before a company starts making money.

 

[Huzar]

Amazon doesn't need to build assembly lines (mega factories), employ the thousands of people to work there, etc, etc.

Also, the combustion engine is probably the reason why the big companies are holding on to it... Imagine the millions of people they would dismiss by not developing and producing engines alone... Staggering numbers.

Corps don't give a damn about the people they employ.

They all aren't going Ev due to the finite resources it takes to build them. Beyond all the bs PR Tesla and Elon spout about Ev taking over. Suppliers are blatantly honest that it won't happen for decades to come. 6% by 2025 if things go well in China.

Because these cars are the future, and as explained above, it may take a while before a company starts making money.

Yahh no, that's not a good reason to invest and lose money with a company that can't turn a profit and constantly misses deadlines. But feel free to do so with your money.

 

[zzz_pt]

Corps don't give a damn about the people they employ.

In Europe, and especially in Germany, even if BMW / VW/ Mercedes / Porsche don't care about their employees, there are very strict laws that block companies to do whatever they want. And that's a good thing. The amount of people these companies employ only on the combustion engine side of the business alone is humongous. States don't want all (or a great part of) that people unemployed.

And speaking about China, didn't they just pushed back their subsidies for electric vehicles?

 

[SiriusR]

@Pillo-san did you even bother reading my post?

But it is more about that I am so taken by why people are so easily impressed by something like you yourself say have been there since an "aeon" back.

Isn't 0-60 in less than 2 seconds a reason to be impressed?
(and so is its 1000km range, but that needs to be proven first, I can't take a claim of range by EV that big without of a massive grain of salt)

Tech wise this is child's play yet it carries such a premium over a more advanced/intricate combustion powered car.

Pardon my straightforwardness, but what the f:censored: is that "premium" deal you keep mumbling about? Elaborate.

And battery tech was not that bad back then either.

Not really. In fact, modern batteries are still far from impressive.

Yet people thinks Tesla is the most advanced high tech stuff ever, okey..

wat

underneath it all it is "super" simple compared to an avg car that is.

Yes, the EV powertrain is pretty simple compared to ICE-powered one (therefore it's more efficient), but particular components in that powertrain aren't. You can't make an EV that can go fast and far out of average components. That's, like, common sense.

 

[Omnis]

The first Tesla that does 0-60 in under 2 seconds. When it wants to.

 

[lancia delta hf]

Its great if you want to go really really fast because you want someone to eat your dust. But for the pleasure of driving country roads at normal to birdie speeds? No sound no bueno.

 

[homeforsummer]

I wonder if it has a CVT. Otherwise I don't see the 250mph top speed AND 1.9 0-60.

Electric motors don't have the same limitations as combustion engines. If you can get the motor to spin fast enough, or pull suitable gearing, and deliver enough current to it, there's no reason why you couldn't do both of those numbers.

 

[Silver Arrows]

Hey! Hey! Guys! Look over here! No, not at our huge losses and production struggles! Look at this shiny red thing! It's fast! Oh and hey, would you mind putting down a $50k-$250k deposit on one? We're a bit short on cash at the moment.

Oh yeah, lets not forget that Elon Musk is a enabling racist too.

http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-racial-discrimination-class-action-lawsuit-2017-11

And Elon's response?

'Be Thick-Skinned And Accept Apology'

 

[SiriusR]

Its great if you want to go really really fast because you want someone to eat your dust. But for the pleasure of driving country roads at normal to birdie speeds? No sound no bueno.

I much prefer my jazz playlist in these scenarios, thank you.

 

[Giygas]

Oh yeah, lets not forget that Elon Musk is a enabling racist too.

http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-racial-discrimination-class-action-lawsuit-2017-11

And Elon's response?

'Be Thick-Skinned And Accept Apology'

Yeah I heard about that earlier today. I would love to see how this plays out.

 

[Joey D]

I think investors are going to get fed up with Tesla eventually. I mean I'm still riding the stock wave, but I don't expect it to last. Between production issues and poor reviews from some major outlets like Consumer Reports, it's not spinning the company in a positive light. Also, if the US Government stops it's tax credit for EV's it'll probably slow down the sales.

I don't think Tesla will go under though, they're too big now for that to happen, but I can see a board of directors forcing Musk out of any leadership role.

I also guess the good news for Musk is that SpaceX will probably be one of the first, if not they first, to open the door for "affordable" space tourism. They'll probably also make a mint off of shuttling cargo to orbit.

 

[Silver Arrows]

Yeah I heard about that earlier today. I would love to see how this plays out.

Frankly, all of these white frat boys turned tech bros are all the same. Fake it until you make it, and make no mistake about what you feel about the growing racial divide in North America. For that I say **** Elon Musk.

 

[Famine]

Frankly, all of these white frat boys turned tech bros are all the same. Fake it until you make it, and make no mistake about what you feel about the growing racial divide in North America. For that I say **** Elon Musk.

He's from South Africa.

Oh yeah, lets not forget that Elon Musk is a enabling racist too.

And he's from South Africa*.


*Joke. On two fronts, actually.

 

[SiriusR]

inb4 next month Silver Arrows digs up another scandal about some other low volume car manufacturer

 

[Bram Turismo]

As good as that looks, I was hoping for an affordable Tesla, something just above MX-5 and GT86 performance, but just under Cayman/4C to keep it affordable.

 

[Huzar]

Because these cars are the future, and as explained above, it may take a while before a company starts making money.

Oh yeah, lets not forget that Elon Musk is a enabling racist too.

http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-racial-discrimination-class-action-lawsuit-2017-11

And Elon's response?

'Be Thick-Skinned And Accept Apology'

lmao no he's not, nor does his letter at all imply he's telling people to accept racism and be thick skinned when facing racism. Nothing but some foolish leftist spin there.

I'm all for piling on tesla when they deserve it but all this sounds like some news media spin.

I worked with a racist asshole, that did not mean the Ceo was one also.

As good as that looks, I was hoping for an affordable Tesla, something just above MX-5 and GT86 performance, but just under Cayman/4C to keep it affordable.

Yahh that's not happening anytime soon, components are still way expensive.

 

[marcvic]

Man, this Tesla performance is insane. It'll be interesting to see what super car you can get in 2020 for $200K and how they stack up to the Roadster.

Would totally love to smoke drag-tuned cars in it, just to see their owners drop their jaw and keep whining "b-buh muh combustion engine sound". I'd take 10k of torque over any kind of combustion engine sound, thank you. Because torque gets me fast. And engine sound isn't.

I have tons of respect for the performance of these Tesla vehicles, but have you never just melted in cargasm from hearing a car row through a few gears, leading to a down-shift or two?



I do wonder, if/when EV replaces ICE how do super cars differentiate themselves, outside of styling?

 

[RetroJohan]

Ok! I want one now

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Man, this Tesla performance is insane. It'll be interesting to see what super car you can get in 2020 for $200K and how they stack up to the Roadster.



I have tons of respect for the performance of these Tesla vehicles, but have you never just melted in cargasm from hearing a car row through a few gears, leading to a down-shift or two?



I do wonder, if/when EV replaces ICE how do super cars differentiate themselves, outside of styling?

Probably aero.