NEW DLC (TWIN RING MOTEGI & Scion FR-S'12)

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I'm excited because it's left hand drive and it doesn't have the stupid red steering wheel. And it's a blast to drive. You should try it.

And it actually looks better without the front license plate and the yellow foglights add a bit of charm when they are on. :dopey:
 
Not a good analogy at all. A second plate of food has value in any circumstances. That is not what pd have done with the Scion.

Better would be a secret "bonus track" on a music album, which they tell you about after 2 months as though it's something cool, and which is exactly the same as the first track of the album in all but name and maybe for the first 2 seconds you hear a new beep noise. :-)

My point is tied to the fact that we got both the Toyota and Scion for free, yet some people seem highly disturbed. It would have been appropriate to pay for at least one of them, just like it would have been with one of the meals. PD went out of their way to recreate the Scion, thus making it unique from the Toyota. It takes less than ten seconds to alter two seconds of a music recording, maybe a few minutes if you want polish those two seconds. I'm confident that PD spent several hours on the Scion. However, the value of it shouldn't be an issue for the consumer who gets it all for free. At least give som credit where it is due.

I suppose it's nowhere near being as good as 4 different tracks, so we shouldn't act like it is. Tiny actual changes between variations is not an unusual thing, though. Cape ring simply cuts the course short in different ways and reverses direction. Suzuka cuts short after the esses. SSR5 is cut short in a similar way.

Courses getting cut up is just a fact of life, but in the end you have to judge what you're actually getting for yourself. Presenting variations as different circuits is false (i don't feel that that is what pd have done, but people do seem to feel that they have, perhaps because some people have acted like they are different circuits), unless it's Nurburgring-scale differences, with two distinct circuits.

I personally think that different layouts offer diverse experiences, especially at Motegi. Then I don't really care if the visual surroundings are the same or the layots overlap each other in some sectors. Furthermore, variations of the same track should not be taken for granted. Otherwise we would have Suzuka West in GT5.
 
Why the eye roll? Ok, three of them are not completely different but you get the point.

Because I'm tired of people justifying the price by saying you get four tracks/layouts for your money. If you think it's worth your money that's fine, but don't try and justify it to those of us who don't think it's worth it by insulting our intelligence.
 
Bought the track yesterday night. Did a few laps in a stock DB9 and a worked S2000.

The track is how I remember it in GT4. Gone is the nice sun lighting effects which we had in the GT4 version, replaced now with an even more bland version. It does indeed just look like a High Res version, not actually re built track. Bit of a cheek if you ask me.

Lots of debate in here. There are 2 ways to look at the value of a track in terms of DLC and again like most things it depends on the perspective on the individual which makes debating and finally agreeing on these things impossible.

If we compare the price of 1 DLC track with the price of the whole game then no, a 5 Euro or £3.99 or what ever you are paying is not worth it at all considering I bought the whole game for £35.00, with 20 odd tracks, and 1000 cars etc etc.

If I now compare the £3.99 I paid vs the 4 Euro bottle of beer I had earlier on today at a bar, then yes the 1 DLC track offers huge value. I race in a Club, and we will not doubt be using TRM for many future championships and events from now on, lots of playtime and value.


Regardless of the above and how you personally determine "value" one thing is clear and that is PD/Sony are milking us, and it is indeed a piss take, but despite me knowing this and being annoyed about it I still bought the DLC, as did many who are also moaning. Sony/PD know this, as does every other games dev/publisher hence why pretty much every game is released either unfinished or with content held back and sold to us in bits.

I think now we just simply have to accept this because this is the direction the whole industry has gone in. Stopping it would mean not buying any games at all, and fat chance of that.

Although I am annoyed at the direction the industry has gone in, when I look at the £35 I have spent on GT5, plus the £15 or so on DLC. I see incredible value, after all it is a game I am still playing with friends, meeting people and having some awesome online races. I could quite easily go out and waste £100 on a night out or s stupid restaurant meal I am only going to Poo out the next day.

Perspective people.
 
I'm glad we got the Fr-s. Anyone that has seen my posts know I'm a huge Scion homer. Besides its free! Besides, the game has 25 different skylines/civics/Miatas, so I'm used to similar cars being face-lifted and recycled.

I have $4.87 left on my account so i didn't buy Motegi. I honestly wasn't impressed when i was doing the GT academy test. BUT i still want it because i like having everything!

Also I'm used to playing final fantasy, where the only form of DLC were outfits and optional battles for at 1.99 and up. That is NOT a deal, any way you slice it.
 
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Because I'm tired of people justifying the price by saying you get four tracks/layouts for your money. If you think it's worth your money that's fine, but don't try and justify it to those of us who don't think it's worth it by insulting our intelligence.


When you look down the track list and there are 4, yes 4 differently named tracks for Motegi. Then wether 1 has only a 50yd yard piece that is different it is still DIFFERENT. doesn't matter by how much, it is. You have been arguing this for several day's and not getting anywhere, grow up, get an life, and get over it. :):)
 
When you look down the track list and there are 4, yes 4 differently named tracks for Motegi. Then wether 1 has only a 50yd yard piece that is different it is still DIFFERENT. doesn't matter by how much, it is. You have been arguing this for several day's and not getting anywhere, grow up, get an life, and get over it. :):)
This was posted; ten thousand people start applauding.
 
When you look down the track list and there are 4, yes 4 differently named tracks for Motegi. Then wether 1 has only a 50yd yard piece that is different it is still DIFFERENT. doesn't matter by how much, it is. grow up get an life and get over it. :):)

You can try and spin it however you like and throw insults around, my point is those extra two layouts do not constitute extra value as people are trying to suggest. You aren't paying $1.25 for each layout, or if you are you're paying for the same thing three times.
 
You can try and spin it however you like and throw insults around, my point is those extra two layouts do not constitute extra value as people are trying to suggest. You aren't paying $1.25 for each layout, or if you are you're paying for the same thing three times.


Simon yes so you have said a thousand times now, you remind me of the old washing machine advert Ariston did, now how did it go, ah yes .... on and on and on and on and on
 
Because I'm tired of people justifying the price by saying you get four tracks/layouts for your money. If you think it's worth your money that's fine, but don't try and justify it to those of us who don't think it's worth it by insulting our intelligence.

Where did he justify the price to others and where did he insult anybodies intelligence? Isn't replying a simple :rolleyes: to a post a much greater insult on somebodies intelligence?
 
You can try and spin it however you like and throw insults around, my point is those extra two layouts do not constitute extra value as people are trying to suggest. You aren't paying $1.25 for each layout, or if you are you're paying for the same thing three times.

Just a quick question...why are you posting again?
 
This thread reminds me of a broken record


As do many other GTP threads. Where do some people get the energy to just keep at it?

It's like arguing which colour is best red or blue?:crazy:

PS

Red is waaay better! lol


Guys go back a few posts and read my post.
 
Mark
When you look down the track list and there are 4, yes 4 differently named tracks for Motegi. Then wether 1 has only a 50yd yard piece that is different it is still DIFFERENT. doesn't matter by how much, it is. You have been arguing this for several day's and not getting anywhere, grow up, get an life, and get over it. :):)

The DLC has 2 tracks with 4 layouts. look at the official GT page if you cant trust SimonK.

The track with 3 layouts didn't make much more work for PD, because they didn't build 4 tracks. They just build 3 different layouts.

that means you pay

3.75$ for TRM road course.
1,25$ for the TRM superspeedway.

last DLC
4,00$ for 2 new tracks with 5 layouts.

source: official GT homepage

you can like the DLC or not thats your own opinion, but don't say "4 tracks" thats wrong.
 
The DLC has 2 tracks with 4 layouts. look at tge official GT page if you cant trust SimonK.

The track with 3 layouts didn't make much more work for PD, because they didn't build 4 tracks. They just build 3 different layouts.

that means you pay

3.75$ for TRM road course.
1,25$ for the TRM superspeedway.

last DLC
4,00$ for 2 new tracks with 5 layouts.

you can like the DLC or not thats your own opinion, but don't say "4 tracks" thats wrong.


Someone else is playing the record now. PMSL:lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
As do many other GTP threads. Where do some people get the energy to just keep at it?

It's like arguing which colour is best red or blue?:crazy:

PS

Red is waaay better! lol


Guys go back a few posts and read my post.

I'd have to go with blue depending on the shade.

I agree with your earlier post. I didn't find the DLC to be expensive but more inline with the norm of prices today for DLC. I race in a league. TRM will most definitely make it into our track rotation. For us it will be a welcome change with a new venue added to the game to race at. Willing to beat that the oval guys are happy as well.
 
The DLC has 2 tracks with 4 layouts. look at the official GT page if you cant trust SimonK.

The track with 3 layouts didn't make much more work for PD, because they didn't build 4 tracks. They just build 3 different layouts.

that means you pay

3.75$ for TRM road course.
1,25$ for the TRM superspeedway.

last DLC
4,00$ for 2 new tracks with 5 layouts.

source: official GT homepage

you can like the DLC or not thats your own opinion, but don't say "4 tracks" thats wrong.

2 Tracks with 3 layouts. 1 has 3 different layouts east, west and road cours, the other one the oval that has 1 layout...

But whats the point? It's all about beeing right here? man... now here's my :rolleyes:
 
The next member that falls under the impression that personal attacks are acceptable here will be getting a two day holiday.

I do not care how much you disagree with another's view or opinion that is not a mandate to launch a personal attack.

No further warnings will be given.
 
Forget about red and blue, white is the best!

That's where your wrong. White isn't a color, just like black isn't a color. White is the lack of color, the void of hue and grayness. Which brings me back to my main point, blue is invariably and unarguably inevitably superior to red, in all shades and forms. Forget about red and blue? That would take a long time inside a small tin box...:lol:
 
Not true. Blue is completely superior to red. Although, I wouldn't really want a blue 458.

I would take a 458 in any colour!:drool:

I'd have to go with blue depending on the shade.

I agree with your earlier post. I didn't find the DLC to be expensive but more inline with the norm of prices today for DLC. I race in a league. TRM will most definitely make it into our track rotation. For us it will be a welcome change with a new venue added to the game to race at. Willing to beat that the oval guys are happy as well.

Thanks:)

Me too, great to have a new track, despite the issues with quality and so on. We have already slotted it in our upcoming MX5 TC event, may Also add it at the end of the ongoing Clio and Integra events.

Is there anyone in the know would have a rough idea of how much effor/time it would take to make the GT4 version of TWM look like it does now in GT5. Just interesting to know?
 
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