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New physics (update 1.31)
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- KAlex122
I am asking here what the DEFAULT setting is, the standard one. Because people here are writing they use the default one. I dont know anymore what default was as i have changed it many times.
You get some feel for it but it's extremely dumbed down and lacks the nuance that a wheel provides. There are many effects which are completely absent with a controller, and since you're controlling the car with a few buttons and analog sticks you just cant feel what the game is trying to communicate to you and thus you can't give an accurate take on the physics model.
jrbabbitt
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So that means the majority of players, those of us that use a controller, have no say in the matter of the physics of GT7?
I cannot afford nor want a wheel setup, does my thoughts matter about physics?
I do believe that there are more controller players than ones who use a wheel, so these players do not matter?
Sounds like the tail wagging the dog....
No they don't. Lots of people used to moan about Project Cars or ACC handling terribly with a controller, because these games aren't designed for controller use. If you were to say the physics are trash, what are you basing that on? You're not playing the game as was intended in the first place. If PD changed the physics to be more controller friendly they would have to make it more arcade feeling which is the opposite of what we want in The Real Driving Simulator.
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- skyhightrees
I mean, the guy is right, especially since 1.31. There's a LOT more nuance to driving with the steering wheel, plus it's full 1:1 to your actions with no countersteering secret assistance like on controller. I play on controller and I can accept, that since last patch, it's better to have a wheel, as it always has been since at least GT5. My old G27 doesn't work with PS5, so I will buy a new one, can't wait to feel this new physics system on the rig....
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- The failed experiment entitled “California”.
Yes, I will agree that this is a bit of a take. But I will at the same time concede that he’s not wrong either. It’s exactly like at game launch when pad players were having a much easier time with the physics. It was because combined with the baked in assists for pad players, they were literally playing a different game.
It would appear that the Gran Turismo franchise might start venturing down the other road. I would also fare to say, that it’s probably a 50/50 - pad - wheel - split; amongst the playerbase, that has stuck with the game past the first 6 months.
While I do think they should bake some assists back into the pad, I dont think it’s unreasonable that most of the future updates should revolve around optimization for wheel players, just like I don’t think it’s unreasonable for most of the future updates to cater more towards PS5 players
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- The failed experiment entitled “California”.
You very well could be right with the numbers. But comparing physics for the cars on a wheel vs pad basis, would be like trying to convey to an 8 year old how easy long division is by teaching them with a calculator.
It’s just two completely different worlds
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I'd say that those players definitely have a valid experience that they can share but it is limited perspective due to the fact that the medium through which they're experiencing the game cannot transmit the details a wheel can.
I often wonder how/if these assists give players an advantage to be assholes in Sport mode. Notorious aggravators such as Kimi are able to play without consequence of their actions because of the counter-steer assist. I don't know if he's on a wheel or controller but I'm all for (and it seems like it has been) certain assists being nerfed for this reason.
Maybe the solution isI'm not sure if the solution is to segregate the Sport mode by assist-setting preferences ot yo
Oh wow, I really need to finish setting up my exciters. I totally agree that you can feel the pliability in the tires now after this update. It's a welcomed and needed update.
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Me too, time to sing: just the three of us and more.
It's really very annoying and turns to be quite frustrating all this changes every time.
If you have a regular life ( work , family,kids, etc.) is difficult to follow all these changes every time and start all over again.
On the other hand gt7 is very close to become.....
The real " griding" simulator .
Most of the people are looking tunes for the griding races and " glitch" cars for the usual suspect from Tokyo.
Bringing things upside down don't help at all anyway , one year after and still changing the pp the tyres, the behaviour of the cars and whatever.
Its a game ,not a continuous bug to fix it every time .
Hardcore players ,utubers etc, might find interesting all these changes but personally,i don't.
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Has been from the beginning.
I do agree on the part of changing the behaviour all the time is hardly worth the title "real driving simulator" because which of these iterations now was the "real real?" But besides of that I like the current version, no matter the amount of changes, the cars currently feel the best, as far as I have played yet. I dont see "understeer" as it seems to be prominent right now, I do see the tyre traction curve working better than before.
jrbabbitt
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Then it means that either PD has to include a wheel setup with every GT7 purchased, or forced everyone to buy a wheel.
I am a controller user, I have tried ACC and that game IS DESIGNED for a wheel user whereas GT7 and previous editions of GT are controller friendly since GT1 so please dont say I'm not playing it as intended, please keep opinions to yourself and leave the facts to speak for themselves
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Has anyone had issues on Deep Forest? I was running the World GT Series race 1 in my swapped RX7 and kept having an issue on the final turn.(the sweeper, not the hairpin) Depending on my line the car would randomly not turn at all, like I suddenly lost both front tires. Cost me clean race as it was especially bad on the last lap and my car literally went straight without a hint of turning.
There's no noticeable crest as the whole turn is under compression. I've driven this car on pretty much every track and have had no issues until here.
edit: Nevermind, I found my issue. The second race was on Spa and I found that under braking into Eau Rouge my car would get stuck turning left at the bottom and just continue on into the barrier. I raised the front ride height two clicks and the car runs perfect now. I guess I hadn't encountered any extreme downward loads with this car before.
There's no noticeable crest as the whole turn is under compression. I've driven this car on pretty much every track and have had no issues until here.
edit: Nevermind, I found my issue. The second race was on Spa and I found that under braking into Eau Rouge my car would get stuck turning left at the bottom and just continue on into the barrier. I raised the front ride height two clicks and the car runs perfect now. I guess I hadn't encountered any extreme downward loads with this car before.
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- Phantom__Mark
I will be suitably happy when the slick tyres are anywhere near as good as the Sport/Comfort tyres in terms of feedback and control, the slick tyres we have now are massively unrealistic and massively more difficult than real life, which is a shame as it blights an otherwise reasonably pleasant experience all round I think ?
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Not every car has been improved. I drove my 787B-swapped RX-8 yesterday and it still felt quite wayward. There's something wrong with the way the RX-8 handles and I don't really understand why. The '72 Alpine A110 is also quite a pain to drive and I quickly sold it as a result. Those are the only cars that I've had serious trouble with since the update. Also when driving the McLaren F1 GTR Longtail, I noticed that the performance in slower corners was a lot worse, and the brakes a bit less effective. Not that it's a bad thing because I thought it handled TOO well in the past.
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- theufc33
I haven’t used a wheel in 7, but I did in 6 and Sport occasionally - let me say, the haptic feedback and adaptive triggers present a depth of feedback that allows you to feel multiple dynamics of the car, from locking brakes, to a loss of traction through the right trigger.
I’m not saying it’s as good as a wheel, I think it’s different. They communicate differently, but you can get a really good feel for the car on the controller.
I’d say the one thing you are lacking is resistance on the stick, but it simply wouldn’t work, there’s not enough range of motion, and 1:1 steering would be really difficult to control.
The feedback for understeer and oversteer is likely different, too, but it is still felt through the controller. It’s more detailed than previous games’ feedback, by virtue of the DualSense having haptic feedback, but even without it, you can still visually notice the dynamics of the car, and tell if something’s unrealistic.
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I think PD’s controller implementation has always been the best in the business. Clearly it isn’t an afterthought like in pretty much every other ‘serious’ racing game.
I do think they need to bake some assists back in, if in fact - they were even lost in the first place. If this is as good as it’s going to get for pad users tho. Then I’m afraid they’re going to have to adapt, and perhaps use some of the toggleable IG assists.
Or it’s just going to need further tweaking by PD over the coming months. I have a feeeling this is going to be our physics model for a while.
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