Newbies to GT1-4 having problems?

[superspeed]

Well at this point, if you're having problems with off-road racing in either an EVo or an STi, it ain't the car's fault. Those are (hands down) the best cars to use on a budget. My guess is you're taking corners too fast, and then sliding out of control. That's the number 1 mistake off-road novices make.

I already PM'ed you the solution (as I see it) in detail. so I won't bore the rest of the board with them. Good luck....I bet within a day or two, if you keep at it, you'll start to get it.

Watch some youtube footage of GT4 rallying (and also real-life rallying) to get an idea of what you should be doing.

100% correct with the crashing.
So I guess I'm going to Youtube...

 

[Open Addict]

If dirt is the problem maybe you should do some more licence practice.

B-11 and B-12
A-11 and A-12
IB-11
IA-11
S-10
Are the Dirt Tests. Dont worry to much about the IB, IA and S as you may not have them yet.

You could also go and practice on the courses if you have them open and available.

For practicing find out what "time" the AI will do in the Special Conditions hall.
Then take your car (evo, suby or whatever you have chosen) to the practice track and see if you can match it.
This can also cut out the frustration of the 5 Second Penalty.

The biggest advice I received when doing the Specail Conditions Hall was care of Famine.
Do Easy, Normal then Hard in one direction. Then do Easy, Normal then Hard in the reverse direction.
This helps hugely to learn the track as you go against the lesser opponets first before you get the Hard

 

[superspeed]

Ok.

1 word.

 

[superspeed]

Guys, I don't know what's wrong with me, but I just can't do dirt tracks.

 

[Open Addict]

Edit is your friend.

Also being the fact that you started watching Youtube videos approx 1 & 1/2 hours ago and you are now saying that you still can not do dirt tracks. I think you just need to practice more. There is now way you can become a GT4 master in one day. Like the Australian Pantene Advert said, "it won't happen overnight, but it will happen".

 

[SaberFire]

Are you familiar with drifting? You know how you start in a low powered car like an old Silvia S13, and then work your way up?

If you're having trouble keeping an STi or an Evo in check, go down a few notches, and start at the bottom with something really simple and basic, like a Suzuki Cappuccino or a low powered 4WD drive car. There's plenty out there, like the Daihatsu Move and so on. When you master the idea that a car can go in a straight line even though it's not pointing forward, and using momentum to get you around corners with the help of the handbrake, you then pick up a bigger, faster car and just keep improving.

 

[superspeed]

Are you familiar with drifting? You know how you start in a low powered car like an old Silvia S13, and then work your way up?

If you're having trouble keeping an STi or an Evo in check, go down a few notches, and start at the bottom with something really simple and basic, like a Suzuki Cappuccino or a low powered 4WD drive car. There's plenty out there, like the Daihatsu Move and so on. When you master the idea that a car can go in a straight line even though it's not pointing forward, and using momentum to get you around corners with the help of the handbrake, you then pick up a bigger, faster car and just keep improving.

Um...
I thought you just keep practicing with the same car 'till you get it...

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Dude, you'll get it. Remember, like girls usually say:....take it slow. Slow slow slow. Brake heavily before turns...don't just fly in. Next lap build more speed, but drive safely. Next lap get a little sideways in corners you feel comfortable in. Find your limits.

You'll get it, trust us...

 

[superspeed]

Dude, you'll get it. Remember, like girls usually say:....take it slow. Slow slow slow. Brake heavily before turns...don't just fly in. Next lap build more speed, but drive safely. Next lap get a little sideways in corners you feel comfortable in. Find your limits.

You'll get it, trust us...

"like girls usually say"

good one!

 

[SaberFire]

Um...
I thought you just keep practicing with the same car 'till you get it...

If you keep making the same elementary mistakes, though, you don't. Learning the basics in anything is always key. You'd hardly try to take the Nurburgring on with an F1 car without at least going round in an R34 once, eh? You'll be all over the place

Like PB said, taking it slowly is the way to go. And you don't get much slower than a rally tuned Kei car It's a good way to learn about weight transfer and where and where not to slam the handbrake, gear changes and putting power-overs to good use.

 

[superspeed]

If you keep making the same elementary mistakes, though, you don't. Learning the basics in anything is always key. You'd hardly try to take the Nurburgring on with an F1 car without at least going round in an R34 once, eh? You'll be all over the place

Like PB said, taking it slowly is the way to go. And you don't get much slower than a rally tuned Kei car It's a good way to learn about weight transfer and where and where not to slam the handbrake, gear changes and putting power-overs to good use.

Ok...

I'll get back on GT4 soon to practice, but right now I'm eating dinner.

EDIT: I'd hardly try to take on the Nurb at all!

 

[Open Addict]

Ah time differences, dont you just love them. I have just had my morning break at work.


You can also make it a little easier to learn some basics by driving an Automatic Transmission.
I know I'll probably cop some flak for saying so, But the A-spec points I have got have all been done with a DS2 controller with an Auto gearbox.

 

[superspeed]

You can also make it a little easier to learn some basics by driving an Automatic Transmission.
I know I'll probably cop some flak for saying so, But the A-spec points I have got have all been done with a DS2 controller with an Auto gearbox.

I use a DS2 (or something like it) with Auto.

 

[SaberFire]

I tend to disagree. Although it feels weird at first and probably slows you down, manual gives you complete control of what gear you're in. It really sucks powersliding around a corner only for the revs to rise and the gearbox to shunt you into the next gear, losing all that delicious torque :/

And this is coming from a guy who used Automatic for all GT games up till *4

 

[superspeed]

Okay, you guys have officially confused me.

 

[SaberFire]

tl;dr Manual FTW. Automatic eventually gets to the point of holding you back, in my opinion.

 

[Open Addict]

I tend to disagree. Although it feels weird at first and probably slows you down, manual gives you complete control of what gear you're in. It really sucks powersliding around a corner only for the revs to rise and the gearbox to shunt you into the next gear, losing all that delicious torque :/

And this is coming from a guy who used Automatic for all GT games up till *4

tl;dr Manual FTW. Automatic eventually gets to the point of holding you back, in my opinion.

Auto did not hold me back for what I wanted.

It's called using the R1 (I think, but I just do) button to hold the gear when you need to.

Yes, I can drive a manual IRL, however I choose to drive an Automatic. I myself dont want to confuse my brain by adding something else I have too worry about. It's bad enough having too worry about other nutcases on the road, let alone what gear I am in. I just tend to do this with my racing games as well.


@Superspeed, It's all about finding what you are comfortable with and just keep practicing.

 

[superspeed]

Ok.

I'm going to play GT4 now.

Bye.

 

[PF]

Sorry to be a bummer, but ... why are people responding to this thread? The questions are so basic that 3 min searching will get an answer, yet some of our most experienced members are spending their (very valuable) gtp time typing long and informative posts.

I find it unusual that someone on 12% completion made a thread to advise newbies. More bizarrely, thousands of hours GT4 experience from established members, and hundreds of words, are going in to telling the same bloke how to drift in a rally event?

@Superspeed: You really should spend a lot of time reading the tens of thousands of posts that are dedicated to GT4. This is not the sort of forum where one can make 50 posts per day. Use the 'advanced search' feature if you have a question. If it can't be answered (and I severely doubt that will be the case until you get further into the game), then you should look for a thread where you could ask the question. Even if you have to bump a 2yr old thread it's better than starting a new one to ask an old question.

 

[SaberFire]

Sorry to be a bummer, but ... why are people responding to this thread? The questions are so basic that 3 min searching will get an answer, yet some of our most experienced members are spending their (very valuable) gtp time typing long and informative posts.

I find it unusual that someone on 12% completion made a thread to advise newbies. More bizarrely, thousands of hours GT4 experience from established members, and hundreds of words, are going in to telling the same bloke how to drift in a rally event?

@Superspeed: You really should spend a lot of time reading the tens of thousands of posts that are dedicated to GT4. This is not the sort of forum where one can make 50 posts per day. Use the 'advanced search' feature if you have a question. If it can't be answered (and I severely doubt that will be the case until you get further into the game), then you should look for a thread where you could ask the question. Even if you have to bump a 2yr old thread it's better than starting a new one to ask an old question.

It gives us old dogs something to do, I guess. Besides, some of those old threads are written quite badly, if I do say so myself...

 

[slowman]

Exactly. For me personally, I click on the GT4 forum and see "OMG, action in the GT4 forum!". Even though it is basic question and answering, it's nice to see someone make a new post or thread.

superspeed, so I haven't figured out which STi you have yet... Let us know which one it is.

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[Open Addict]

Sorry to be a bummer, but ... why are people responding to this thread? The questions are so basic that 3 min searching will get an answer, yet some of our most experienced members are spending their (very valuable) gtp time typing long and informative posts.

I find it unusual that someone on 12% completion made a thread to advise newbies. More bizarrely, thousands of hours GT4 experience from established members, and hundreds of words, are going in to telling the same bloke how to drift in a rally event?

@Superspeed: You really should spend a lot of time reading the tens of thousands of posts that are dedicated to GT4. This is not the sort of forum where one can make 50 posts per day. Use the 'advanced search' feature if you have a question. If it can't be answered (and I severely doubt that will be the case until you get further into the game), then you should look for a thread where you could ask the question. Even if you have to bump a 2yr old thread it's better than starting a new one to ask an old question.

It gives us old dogs something to do, I guess. Besides, some of those old threads are written quite badly, if I do say so myself...

Ditto for me. It saves me sitting in front of my work computer and twiddling my thumbs, because sales and customers are slow.

Also nice to know we are thought of as "most experienced members"

 

[PF]

Mmm, I anticipated the 'I'm at work' response. Largely because I tend to post when I should be working.

Still, when legends of the gtp site like Open Addict and Slowman post in a thread like this .... surely we can do better.

I'm a relative newbie, so I think it's up to people like us to walk other newbies through the rally courses. The senior members surely should concentrate on the more difficult stuff...

 

[Open Addict]

Mmm, I anticipated the 'I'm at work' response. Largely because I tend to post when I should be working.

Still, when legends of the gtp site like Open Addict and Slowman post in a thread like this .... surely we can do better.

I'm a relative newbie, so I think it's up to people like us to walk other newbies through the rally courses. The senior members surely should concentrate on the more difficult stuff...

oh Shucks , now you made me go all red.

Why should it matter if a 'legend' member wants to get in on a simple basic discussion, we were noobs too once.
Surley If we can help another member get to legend status, then they would remember the support given to them from other legends too help create more legends.

We may not mind, especially if we can help some-one with their GT4 problems.


I hope, atleast some of this makes sense, (sum it up) I don't mind helping where ever I can.

 

[oldmodelt]

No, it's ok, you can be as hard on me as you want.

All these guys want to do is help. I can't tell you how many times I have found a tip on these forums. Everything and I mean everything that you need to know can be found thru some well typed searches. Remember that these guys have been here for years. From Parnelli thru Kylenat with the maps.

I am 52 and drive AT( I am practicing MT Bone) and I have been able to complete 97% of the game. At least bronze on all the tests and every mission except for #34.

Now I am taking a break and doing the GTPLMS season 4 long races. Some break. 135 and 250 km races. I used to think a 5 lap race was tough! That's just a warmup now.

I could give you some great advice but my typing sucks and there's much better stuff on these pages.

I noticed your won/loss ratio. It says 600+ races. What are you doing with those races. With that many I would think you would be farther than 15% completion or so. I'm just guessing but maybe the guys have some feedback. Are you finishing those even if you lose. Or are you just quitting. Losing valuable track exp. as slowman mentioned.

 

[PF]

oh Shucks , now you made me go all red.

Why should it matter if a 'legend' member wants to get in on a simple basic discussion, we were noobs too once.
Surley If we can help another member get to legend status, then they would remember the support given to them from other legends too help create more legends.

We may not mind, especially if we can help some-one with their GT4 problems.


I hope, atleast some of this makes sense, (sum it up) I don't mind helping where ever I can.

Sorry to single you out mate, as well as slowman. You two are some of the the ones we go for if ew want experienced ideas. I would argue that the better players should not spend their time on a thread such as this, where as newbies such as I can give the same ideas. I also agree that some of the older threads are a bit crap, but in most cases they seem to be useful, as opp to making a new thread.

 

[in.s@ne]

Sorry to single you out mate, as well as slowman. You two are some of the the ones we go for if ew want experienced ideas. I would argue that the better players should not spend their time on a thread such as this, where as newbies such as I can give the same ideas. I also agree that some of the older threads are a bit crap, but in most cases they seem to be useful, as opp to making a new thread.

So what if the questions are simple - the spirit of this place seems to me to be a bit of "help if you can".
As these guys said, they don't mind, it gives them something to do during the day (instead of working!) and it's not like it's doing any harm.

I think that it's good on you experienced guys for helping out the youngins - we were all there once, and the best way to continue knowledge is to pass it on!

 

[superspeed]

Mmm, I anticipated the 'I'm at work' response. Largely because I tend to post when I should be working.

Still, when legends of the gtp site like Open Addict and Slowman post in a thread like this .... surely we can do better.

I'm a relative newbie, so I think it's up to people like us to walk other newbies through the rally courses. The senior members surely should concentrate on the more difficult stuff...

Well, they should help with this stuff every once in a while....💡

So what if the questions are simple - the spirit of this place seems to me to be a bit of "help if you can".
As these guys said, they don't mind, it gives them something to do during the day (instead of working!) and it's not like it's doing any harm.

I think that it's good on you experienced guys for helping out the youngins - we were all there once, and the best way to continue knowledge is to pass it on!

Yes, you're right about that.

EDIT:I think Manual trasmission is easyer to use than Automatic trasmission!

 

[slowman]

Short version:
LOL, I'm apparantly a legend here.

You wouldn't think so from my post count. Don't look at that, look at my join date.

Long version:
There was somewhat of a rivalry between GTP and another site "back in the day". I was a member at www.gran-turismo.com before Kenji got a prescription for Accutane and went APE*** and closed the site down. I don't remember exactly when I joined but it was some time after GT2 was released, but before GT3.

I was slowman there as well. Looking through the Internet Wayback Machine I see some truly legendary names on that forum. Kenji, Apex Killer, Random, samoht, NoQuarter, skiddo, novicius, schnell, RogsR34UK, Mustang-man, animalica, GuyNamedJohn, Pupik, Jason, Taimar2 (one of the most intelligent people I've ever e-met), PunkRock... the list goes on.

Some of you might know some of these names. Some people came here after the site split, some people went and made their own forum at www.gtxf.net. That isn't so much a GT forum as it is a drinking forum. I wouldn't suggest people that are n00bies here go join there. They are the old guard of GT and they like to put the n00bies in their place.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

If you keep making the same elementary mistakes, though, you don't. Learning the basics in anything is always key. You'd hardly try to take the Nurburgring on with an F1 car without at least going round in an R34 once, eh? You'll be all over the place

Like PB said, taking it slowly is the way to go. And you don't get much slower than a rally tuned Kei car It's a good way to learn about weight transfer and where and where not to slam the handbrake, gear changes and putting power-overs to good use.

Man, that's good advice about the kei car. Yup. Low power. 👍


Slowman: yea I remember Gran-turismo.com. By the time I found it, the name had changed to GranTurismoForum.com

Sorry to be a bummer, but ... why are people responding to this thread? The questions are so basic that 3 min searching will get an answer, yet some of our most experienced members are spending their (very valuable) gtp time typing long and informative posts.

I find it unusual that someone on 12% completion made a thread to advise newbies. More bizarrely, thousands of hours GT4 experience from established members, and hundreds of words, are going in to telling the same bloke how to drift in a rally event?

Because we like playing the role of "teacher". And superspeed happens to be a very cool student. If he sticks around, we're gonna show him how it's done. Like he said at the beginning of this thread, the FAQs don't tell you everything. Using the search means wading thru dozens of threads unrelated to what this person's issues are. I've been there. Sometimes it's just easier to ask someone else.