NHL 2011-2012 Thread

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Well I'd like to say I can't believe it but I've been prepared for a week. Oh well. Sports radio should be fun tomorrow.

By lunch "we" will have fired our coach, traded Luongo for a bag of pucks, and blown up the whole team including trading away the whole team for Crosby and Malkin. Seriously I'm not exaggerating...

When people call in to the radio here they make the most irrational arguments you'll ever here.

As from my point of view you:

- Keep Coach V, the team is well coached and two president's trophies does mean something

-Trade Luongo for the best thing you can get (top 6 forward or top 4 D), we don't need two #1s

-We don't resign Raymond at $3 million as a qualifying offer

-Trade Kesler and his terrible attitude, everybody around the league loves his two way ability, speed and shot but I've had enough of his attitude and ego. He doesn't use his teammates and a center needs to use his wingers...

-Use all that free money to build a bigger team. They are still getting pushed around too much. I think the Bruins are overboard on it but a balance is nice. They looked tentative at times I'm the LA series and they have some massive guys.

The Luongo move and Raymond release alone frees up $9 million in cap space and that's a lot of money to make some big deals through trades or through free agency.
 
I think Gillis should fire Vigneault immediately. Because I want him in Montreal :lol:

As for Luongo, maybe Toronto as a destination? Maybe you'll get two first round picks!
 
Noob616
I think Gillis should fire Vigneault immediately. Because I want him in Montreal :lol:

As for Luongo, maybe Toronto as a destination? Maybe you'll get two first round picks!
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Well you may get your wish with Vigneault. The team has announced a press conference tomorrow at 10 am and has said the players and Gillis are available for questioning. The guys on sports radio said the email does not mention Vigneault. Now could be a mistake or he might just not be available but the question will atleast be answered tomorrow morning.

As for any Canuck going to Toronto, it won't happen. Canucks hate Burke, Burke hates the Canucks. They won't make a deal until Burke is fired next year.

Most likely destination for Luongo I believe is Tampa Bay. Yzerman won a gold medal with Luongo in net and they need goaltending in the worst way.
 
CMvan46
Well you may get your wish with Vigneault. The team has announced a press conference tomorrow at 10 am and has said the players and Gillis are available for questioning. The guys on sports radio said the email does not mention Vigneault. Now could be a mistake or he might just not be available but the question will atleast be answered tomorrow morning.

As for any Canuck going to Toronto, it won't happen. Canucks hate Burke, Burke hates the Canucks. They won't make a deal until Burke is fired next year.

Most likely destination for Luongo I believe is Tampa Bay. Yzerman won a gold medal with Luongo in net and they need goaltending in the worst way.
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Agreed, also Luongo would definately wave his no-trade clause to go somewhere warm :)
 
jcm
Agreed, also Luongo would definately wave his no-trade clause to go somewhere warm :)
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Plus his family lives in Florida still.


Vigneault isn't fired yet. Gillis publicly announced his support for him at the press conference today.


Edit: Luongo also said today he would waive his no trade clause for a trade out. He said that Schnieder is an elite goalie and will be for atleast the next decade. Apparently Florida would be a very interested team depending how they do in the playoffs this year.
 
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Lmao I saw some guy commenting on TSN's facebook page who is really drinking the Canucks Kool-Aid. He suggested that Tampa Bay would be a good destination for Luongo, and that Vancouver could trade him...for Victor Hedman :lol:

I think Luongo could be worth a top 6 forward or top 4 D, to go with Canadiens players, he'd be worth Brian Gionta or Josh Gorges. Not Victor Hedman.

I could see Tampa Bay or back to Florida as options. Although I don't know if the Panthers would want that colossal financial commitment when they're already rather cash strapped.
 
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Yeah the only way the return on Luongo is a top 6 forward or top 4 defenceman is if the GM is an idiot or he is getting to his elder years. Hedman is an absolute definately no although I'd love to have him. That is unless we package Luongo with a pick and/or a prospect.

Next year is the last year in their windows and they need to go all out for it. It will be a while before their back in this position so make the best of it.

The other argument I heard today was keep Luongo because at $5.5 million cap hit for a guy who isn't really that bad a goalie. Then trade Schnieder for a lot more than Luongo would return. Any team in the league could build a team around Schnieder and have a great goalie a long time to come so the number of teams interested would be much higher than Luongo.

We also have a goalie in the AHL with good potential and is a younger guy so maybe he is the solution after Luongo and you could bring him up much the same way they did with Schnieder.
 
Hmm. I'm not sold on Schneider being elite to be honest. I don't think he's proven himself yet, playing 30 games and putting up great numbers on the best team in the NHL doesn't mean you're an elite goalie. I think the reality is that neither Schneider nor Luongo are as good as Canucks fans want to think they are, and right now I think Schneider is certainly capable of being a good NHL starting goalie, and playing 60+ games and playoffs, I don't think he's a star goalie in the calibre of Lundqvist, Rinne, Thomas, Miller, etc. (I would say Price but I'll leave him out to keep my own bias out of it).

Luongo is still also capable of being a good NHL starter, in fact he was a very good starter this year, but it doesn't seem like he has much time left in Vancouver. I think if you have a chance to move Luongo out, and move away the distraction, and the headache that comes with him, you take it. I think the Canucks should be trying to get rid of Luongo, preferably for picks and prospects to increase the cap savings. As you mentioned, not resigning Raymond (or doing a sign and trade) and getting rid of Luongo, there's 8.5M to throw at Ryan Suter in the off season.

I just don't think that the return on Schneider will be that great. I can't see a team bending over backwards to get Schneider, he just doesn't come across as an elite goalie to me at this stage in his career. There's also that teams just don't seem to be paying much for goalies anymore. Varlamov was a 1st rounder. Halak was Lars Eller and an AHL grinder (Ian Schultz). I can't see someone making a trade package for Schneider that would be better than the cap space which would be available, or much more than Eller/Schultz.

It's not a deep UFA class, but if the Canucks could sign Ryan Suter that'd be golden. I can see Suter wanting to go to Vancouver to win a cup, because the core is still there. The window isn't closed yet, but the Sedins are going to start reaching the declines of their careers before long (they're both 31 now), and adding Suter instantly gives the Canucks arguably the strongest D in the NHL. Imagine a Suter-Bieksa shutdown 1st pairing, being followed up by Edler, Hamhuis, Salo, I won't comment on Tanev/Alberts/Rome because I haven't the slightest clue if they're any good. To me, if I'm Mike Gillis I look at dealing Lou away and trying to take back as little cap as possible, and then go hard after Suter in the summer. Adding Suter to that lineup takes the Canucks from "the best team in the NHL" to the best team in the NHL.
 
Sorry I have to tell you teams did bend over backwards trying to get Schnieder at the deadline.

60 games with a goals against average of 2 and a 930 save % on top of winning the AHL goalie of the year 2 years in a row before coming up to the NHL.

He's not entirely proven yet but he is as close as he can be before being given to number 1 job for a whole season. Teams would easily give up top 4 defenceman and top 6 forwards in their primes for him. He is one of the rarest players in the NHL right now. A young goalie worthy of a number one job is impossible to find.
 
I believe he also set the 4th highest Save Percentage of all time this season, at .937%. Still lost to Brian Elliot ,940%, but he beat Luongo. And in the playoffs his numbers were amazing! .960%. Crazy good!

***I'm slightly biased to him because he's been in the organization so long, and is still very underrated.***
 
But those numbers are very inflated. .930 save % isn't really the same when you're comparing Vancouver to Montreal or Columbus. I don't think that's he's a bad goalie by any means, and I certainly think he's a capable NHL starter, but I don't think GM's are going to sell the farm for him. Maybe I'm wrong, I just think the cap space that would be available if you got rid of Luongo would be worth more than what you could get for Schenider. You're not going to get a Ryan Suter, Zach Parise, or even Alex Semin calibre of player for him.

But then again, maybe I'm wrong and some GM will give you a lot for Schnieder. Hard to say, I think there's benefits to keeping/trading either goalie.
 
Na na, na na na na, hey, hey, hey, goodbye... Na na...

Anyway I take a small bit of relief in knowing the Canucks bowed out of the playoffs in the same round as both Boston and Chicago :)
 
And there goes Ottawa :(

I now don't care what happens which makes it quite hard to watch. I do hope Nashville loses next round because if they make the cup final or win the cup Webber will resign for sure and that means the Canucks can't grab him.
 
****. Carolina Panthers pick the NFL player I want, then the Florida Panthers lose.

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I hate New Jersey. Beat us last time too. ****ers.
 
Dammit Devils. Florida deserved a playoff series win (how many years did they go without making the playoffs?). The Sens fell short tonight, though it was an impressive series. Nashville starts it series with Phoenix tomorrow. I hope the Preds win that series, though I don't expect them to.
 
16 years since the finals Avalanche. 12 years since the Devils.
 
Hard to say. The call was no goal on the ice so there needs to be conclusive evidence that it was a goal. They got screwed out of that "goaltender interference" goal. That was a terrible call.
 
Vandenal
Am I the only one that thinks Versteeg actually scored with 17 seconds left and that the Panthers got screwed?

The one angle makes it look like it went in.
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He probably did but like noob said there has to be evidence that it clearly did to overturn the call on the ice. Even though it's easy to assume the puck was in his glove over the line it can't be said 100%.

This is why they need some sort of sensor in the puck and the net to signal when it crosses the line.
 
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