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Nissan do pretty well in JGTC so I wonder why they dont have a F1 team. Surely a nissan team would be an interesting addition.
Nissan Formula One team?
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daan
Gah! Beat me to it.
However, there are perpetual rumours that a Customer Renault engine may turn up at some point, with the word "Nissan" on the cam covers.
Brett
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Couldn't happen, at least the four rotor part. If they were somehow able to enter today for this season, they would have to develop a 3.0 liter V10. After this year though (I think it is next year), that changes to a 2.4 liter V8. At least, I'm pretty sure that how the regulations are regarding engines.
On another note, I kinda miss the days when the manufacturer could decide on which configuration of engine they wished to run, so long as its displacement was the right size.
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Yes you are correct, this year it is a 3.0 litre V10 format and next year it will be a 2.4 litre V8 format.
It would be interesting too see a variety of engine configurations on the track at one time, it could possibly make a better show and bring some more interest to the sport, it is unfortunate however, I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Blake
It would be interesting too see a variety of engine configurations on the track at one time, it could possibly make a better show and bring some more interest to the sport, it is unfortunate however, I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Blake
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I missed out on the 90s, I only really started following F1 at the start of the MS era, I haven't seen MS beaten to the championship before 
. So really I hve very little exposure to race footage from those eras past, I should really look for a few old race videos.
Blake
. So really I hve very little exposure to race footage from those eras past, I should really look for a few old race videos.Blake
I don't think Mazda would enter. Aren't they part owned my Dodge or something. And isn't Dodge like owned by a German manufacturer?
I know about the Nissan-Renault relationship not only because Renault bought out Nissan (to save them from embarassment) but because some of the good drivers from the Nissan World Series get a test for Renault time to time.
I know about the Nissan-Renault relationship not only because Renault bought out Nissan (to save them from embarassment) but because some of the good drivers from the Nissan World Series get a test for Renault time to time.
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If Mazda were to consider entering F1, they would want to do so with a rotary engine. So they couldn't enter as rotaries aren't allowed.liam2maps
Ford own ~49% of Mazda. (EDIT: I just checked and it's 33.6%)
Dodge are owned by DaimlerChrysler.
Note the quote by Duke in my sig.....
daan
Yep. Everyone brings there best talents to the table. Renault people are good with Chassis and Engine, Honda with Gears and Engine.
People say Toyota has a great engine as well but I don't know whether that's because they were able to purchase a Ferrari technician to help them with it's creation or because of their own work.
I don't think a Rotary would do so well. I mean rotaries have more moving parts right? Meaning more chance something will go boom. What I know is the more complicated an engine is and the more moving parts not only means the more chance for something to go wrong but more wear and tear.
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When it comes to race rotaries, it would be just like any other type of motor. If they are not built to last, then they will fail.
But when it comes to rotaries that are driven daily, from what I've read at various RX-7/rotary forums, is that rotaries relability is pretty much directly correlated to how well the engines are taken care of. There are some specific things that have be done to take care of them and keep them running. But like any other type of engine, there are some that still have problems no matter how well taken care of they are.
From what I've read and gathered, it seems to be common that the seals that seal the three chambers in rotaries are usually considered to be a weak link in the engine. If one of those shatters, well a whole lot of problems arise real quickly.
But when it comes to rotaries that are driven daily, from what I've read at various RX-7/rotary forums, is that rotaries relability is pretty much directly correlated to how well the engines are taken care of. There are some specific things that have be done to take care of them and keep them running. But like any other type of engine, there are some that still have problems no matter how well taken care of they are.
From what I've read and gathered, it seems to be common that the seals that seal the three chambers in rotaries are usually considered to be a weak link in the engine. If one of those shatters, well a whole lot of problems arise real quickly.
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wow, you should brush up on some research. two servings of bad info between the rotaries and the mazda-dodge deal....that's harsh.
no offense or anything, just adding a pair of pennies.
anyway, if rotaries WERE allowed, does anyone think that any other teams would use them? like, do rotaries have better potential than the regular v10s? i'd think not, but it never hurts to ask. lol.
daan
Itd be the same situation as in the BTCC a few years ago. Both renault and Nissan were in that but they pulled the Renault team coz it was embarrassing to see them lose to a company theyd just bought.
Same with ford and Volvo in the same series and at the same time. Volvo was pulled but Im ot sure why....they were still doing better than Ford.
Oh and the same in WRC both PSA companies compete til the end of this year then thats that! Au Revior!
I dont see why companies cant compete just because theyre owned by one company. If they have a distinct enough brand it should be ok. And hey if it boosts sales and improves the brand why not?
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Do you honestly think that the engines in F1 are built to last if they're replaced every couple of races? Those engines get so hot that the exhaust manifold goes TRANSPARENT. You can SEE THROUGH IT, it gets so hot. F1 engines have leading edge technology, if you compare one to an Indy/CART/IRL engine...well, it would be like comparing a tricycle to a Hayabusa.
I think the potential for rotaries would be great, I'm sure they could devise a way to make them work well. They have a remarkably simple design, but I think the fuel consumption might be a problem. Rotaries are high-revving enough as it is, but an F1 piston engine rev's around 20,000rpm, so a Rotary would surely be doing about 25,000-30,000rpm, which could present overheating problems. If it were restricted to 3.0litres, however, a four rotar would probably have to be de-tuned! The 787b is already producing massive amounts of horsepower, and it's barely trying. A 3.0litre 4rotor could easily hit 1000hp with the right precautions (as taken by any half-decent F1 car). You guys should consult MazKid or ND4SPD, they know quite a bit about rotaries.
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