Nissan Formula One team?

[Brett]

Do you honestly think that the engines in F1 are built to last if they're replaced every couple of races? Those engines get so hot that the exhaust manifold goes TRANSPARENT. You can SEE THROUGH IT, it gets so hot. F1 engines have leading edge technology, if you compare one to an Indy/CART/IRL engine...well, it would be like comparing a tricycle to a Hayabusa.

And where in my previous post did I ever mention anything about a F1 engine? I was not even talking about them, but instead explaining a couple things about the rotary engine to a fellow member.

Plus any engine, race or road, is built to last or should be build to last its appropiate life span. That being said, F1 engineers build their engines to last their allotted amount of race time and after that they are discarded.

 

[liam2maps]

wow, you should brush up on some research. two servings of bad info between the rotaries and the mazda-dodge deal....that's harsh.

no offense or anything, just adding a pair of pennies.

anyway, if rotaries WERE allowed, does anyone think that any other teams would use them? like, do rotaries have better potential than the regular v10s? i'd think not, but it never hurts to ask. lol.

Yeah well only 1 piece of bad info and well according to my friends who work as mechanics rotaries are the suck

The dodge mazda thing I wasn't clear on I just knew Mazda was partly owned by something.

 

[Blake]

What the hell, I just made a post here.....

Now it's....gone

Blake

 

[Brett]

Yeah well only 1 piece of bad info and well according to my friends who work as mechanics rotaries are the suck

And why exactly are they the suck? Is it because they don't know how to work on a rotary or something?

 

[a6m5]

because formula 1 costs cash out the ass.

I agree. I don't think Nissan can afford to enter F1 with their current financial state.

1986 was the best season ever. Prost, Senna, Mansell & Piquet all racing at the same time.

Will F1 ever be that good again?.......

Yeah well only 1 piece of bad info and well according to my friends who work as mechanics rotaries are the suck

If Mazda became the first Japanese Manufacture to win the Le Mans with the Rotary engine, it's reliable enough IMO.

 

[y2kgamer]

Do you honestly think that the engines in F1 are built to last if they're replaced every couple of races? Those engines get so hot that the exhaust manifold goes TRANSPARENT. You can SEE THROUGH IT, it gets so hot. F1 engines have leading edge technology, if you compare one to an Indy/CART/IRL engine...well, it would be like comparing a tricycle to a Hayabusa.

FYI...

Indy = IRL.

Indy Cars race in the Indy Racing League.

 

[PS]

You tend to lose track/train of thought/state of mind/concentration/...//.../..../////// when you're off on a rant.

 

[Grip]

You tend to lose track/train of thought/state of mind/concentration/...//.../..../////// when you're off on a rant.

But he is right on his rant there.


But On Topic,

yeah a nissian F1 team could be possible.
Back in the 90's nissan was either doing F1 pr Le mans, and since LM was cheaper, they went that way.

I think in the next 7 years there will be a nissan F1 car on the grid.

 

[VeNoM_NY_USA]

But he is right on his rant there.


But On Topic,

yeah a nissian F1 team could be possible.
Back in the 90's nissan was either doing F1 pr Le mans, and since LM was cheaper, they went that way.

I think in the next 7 years there will be a nissan F1 car on the grid.

Not as long as Renault is competing.

 

[Blake]

I think in the next 7 years there will be a nissan F1 car on the grid.

That's a really big call buddy, and in 7 years I think you'll be eating your words. That's just the way I think it is.

Blake

 

[The359]

Do you honestly think that the engines in F1 are built to last if they're replaced every couple of races? Those engines get so hot that the exhaust manifold goes TRANSPARENT.

I think you confuse WHITE with TRANSPARENT.

If the metal was turned to transparent, it'd stay transparent. And it doesn't. So you're wrong.

Exhaust does turn the pipes white hot though.

 

[Smoker]

Rotory Engines are actually MORE reliable than piston engines mainly because it has very few moving parts and produces a lot less vibration. The reason why they got such a rep is because Mazda (just before they got into serious financial trouble), tried to build the last few versions of the RX-7 FDs with a tiny tiny budget. A lot of those engines failed because they used very cheap water pumps and an old cooling system. On a sport car which most owners tends to rev it to 9,000+ rpms most of the time, you are bounded to have heat problems. That's why most of FDs' engine failures were due to overheating rather problems in the engine itself.

If some of you are interested, feel free to venture into the RX-7 forums and you find a lot of older generations RX-7 owners still running their Rotaries after 200,000 miles with no engine rebuild.

 

[Double_R]

People say Toyota has a great engine as well but I don't know whether that's because they were able to purchase a Ferrari technician to help them with it's creation or because of their own work.

Toyota engines have always been one of the most powerful on the F1 grid and also very reliable. Japanese are known for making good engines and frankly the italians are not.

 

[Freddie]

Don't forget the infamous NSU Ro80, which was haunted with engine breakdowns. Owners of these cars had an extra finger-language for these cars; the amount of fingers held up equals how many times the engine had been replaced. The reliability problem was eventually fixed, but too late to save both the car and the company.

The rumour of rotaries being unreliable may be linked to this car (and eventually also poorly engineered Mazdas).

 

[PS]

I think you confuse WHITE with TRANSPARENT.

If the metal was turned to transparent, it'd stay transparent. And it doesn't. So you're wrong.

Exhaust does turn the pipes white hot though.

But I heard the dude on Discovery Channel go "so hot that it allows light to pass through it", which means transparent/translucent (forget which). I dunno, just saying what I heard. And I know they get white hot, before that they get red hot, and at the very end I'm assuming they go transparent/translucent.

Toyota engines have always been one of the most powerful on the F1 grid and also very reliable. Japanese are known for making good engines and frankly the italians are not.

Yes, that is very true, both on and off the track. A Toyota or Honda will last you nearly forever, and the G35 (Infinit/Nissan) has been toted as one of the most reliable cars ever (less its brakes). European cars haven't been particularily known to last very long, or go for very long without excessive maintenance (ESPECIALLY the exotics), or repairs. And American cars just have a poor build quality, however thei engines are so bloody simple they're likely to keep on kickin'.

 

[VeNoM_NY_USA]

Toyota engines have always been one of the most powerful on the F1 grid and also very reliable. Japanese are known for making good engines and frankly the italians are not.

In Formula 1 the Italians have the most reliable V10s on the grid since 2002 when their last in-race engine failure happened. It was Malaysia 2002 if I am not mistaken when Rubens had an engine problem in his F2001B. That sort of engine reliability is unheard of in modern Formula 1 cars.

 

[PS]

In Formula 1 the Italians have the most reliable V10s on the grid since 2002 when their last in-race engine failure happened. It was Malaysia 2002 if I am not mistaken when Rubens had an engine problem in his F2001B. That sort of engine reliability is unheard of in modern Formula 1 cars.

Not on the market, though. Ferarri makes some of the most difficult to repair and unreliable engines out there. If it runs in the factory, they must assume it will run everywhere else. Unlike Toyota/Honda/Nissan where you could roll those things down a mountain and then drive away.

But Ferarri's F1 success is where they get their publicity- noone wants to hear "Enzo...Masterpiece...wind in your hair at 200mph...engine explodes..." in a commercial, they want to hear " *blah blah blah* ...and Schumacher takes it away again, not having a signle engine failure this season!!" or something. The ignorant (or uninformed, whatever you prefer) buyer hears that and automatically assumes that whatever else they make would be reliable too.

 

[Brett]

Rotory Engines are actually MORE reliable than piston engines mainly because it has very few moving parts and produces a lot less vibration. The reason why they got such a rep is because Mazda (just before they got into serious financial trouble), tried to build the last few versions of the RX-7 FDs with a tiny tiny budget. A lot of those engines failed because they used very cheap water pumps and an old cooling system. On a sport car which most owners tends to rev it to 9,000+ rpms most of the time, you are bounded to have heat problems. That's why most of FDs' engine failures were due to overheating rather problems in the engine itself.

If some of you are interested, feel free to venture into the RX-7 forums and you find a lot of older generations RX-7 owners still running their Rotaries after 200,000 miles with no engine rebuild.

I was going to add to your post. I have read that on the FDs that the catalytic converter on the car are overrestictrive and that some have been known to catch on fire.

Also, I was going to say this before, but the biggest problem with the rotary engine is the underdevelopment due to no other company outside of Mazda actually developing one.

 

[VeNoM_NY_USA]

Not on the market, though. Ferarri makes some of the most difficult to repair and unreliable engines out there. If it runs in the factory, they must assume it will run everywhere else. Unlike Toyota/Honda/Nissan where you could roll those things down a mountain and then drive away.

But Ferarri's F1 success is where they get their publicity- noone wants to hear "Enzo...Masterpiece...wind in your hair at 200mph...engine explodes..." in a commercial, they want to hear " *blah blah blah* ...and Schumacher takes it away again, not having a signle engine failure this season!!" or something. The ignorant (or uninformed, whatever you prefer) buyer hears that and automatically assumes that whatever else they make would be reliable too.

Is this discussion not about Formula 1? Road car engines don't matter there so I don't see how this is even relevant to the discussion.

 

[Appie]

If Audi would come theywould gonna bing blowd away by the compitiion audi plays tough because they won 5 times on arow le mans and they only won when the big manufacturers drawd away from the le mans project example 1998 you saw them knowhere only when other cars retired from the race you saw them coming a little bit closer to the field audi is nothing

 

[786]

i, for one, would like to see GM compete in F1...that would be hilarious!...also, i know the audi/vw group decided F1 was too expensive but i would have loved to see a Porsche F1 car...anyway nissan wont get in F1 because 1. renault is there 2. watching toyota...but who knows renaults new ceo wants to pull out of F1 but i think their 2005 performance will hopefully not allow that to happen...maybe nissan could take over their effort but i dont know the details of their respective businesses enough to speculate...

on another note...i agree that having multiple engine configurations allowed would be great...it would garner more interest for the series, manufacturers could use their preferred configuration, and i would really like to see turbos come back to F1...

 

[Blake]

Way too much HP available with Turbos, regulations on how various engine configurations couuld be used would have to be very tight to keep things even.

Blake

 

[786]

granted the power levels could and probably would rise dramatically but this is F1 we are talking about and i think it should have the most power of any race series (damn those 2.4 v8's!)...but on the other hand im also a driver so i know that power is only good to a point, then its simply too much for the chassis and becomes dangerous...a part of me wants F1 to become a free for all series with crazy turbo power levels, huge slicks, and crazy aero technology (like fans to suck down the car etc) but the other more sensible part knows that would just lead to deaths and injuries so i can understand the state of affairs...i hope F1 can balance superior technology with a semblance of safety but i think it is paramount that F1 always remain the pinnacle of motorsport...

 

[Brett]

I would also kinda like to see GM in F1. The only thing is, they would have to be completely committed to the sport. It would have to be like their commitment to the C6R program in ALMS and nothing like the half-arsed one they did with the Cadillac prototype.

I have always been for different engine configurations, but all of the engines would have to be naturally aspirated or turbocharged. I don't think they could really really have both of them being run at the same time. But I do think the FIA could allow different configurations as long as all of them were naturally aspirated or turbocharged. Having different configurations would add to the excitement of the sport.

 

[PS]

Is this discussion not about Formula 1? Road car engines don't matter there so I don't see how this is even relevant to the discussion.

Excuse me? Shut up for a sec. If Ferrari gets bad publicity they don't get enough sales. If they don't get enough sales (which are VERY important for such an exotic company) then they don't make enough money to support their F1 team. THAT'S how it has to do with road cars.

If Audi would come theywould gonna bing blowd away by the compitiion audi plays tough because they won 5 times on arow le mans and they only won when the big manufacturers drawd away from the le mans project example 1998 you saw them knowhere only when other cars retired from the race you saw them coming a little bit closer to the field audi is nothing

I think it would be kind of neat to see Audi racing...

I was going to add to your post. I have read that on the FDs that the catalytic converter on the car are overrestictrive and that some have been known to catch on fire.

Also, I was going to say this before, but the biggest problem with the rotary engine is the underdevelopment due to no other company outside of Mazda actually developing one.

I thought it was the exhaust manifold that got too hot, which then made things catch on fire? It's a shame though, a rotary would be great to see in F1.

And just so everyone knows, Porsche is the only 100% independant car company. They are only minorly associated with VW, VERY minorly. That's why they've become so profit driven, they've realized how easy it is to make money with an independant car company.

 

[Brett]

It is one of the two, I don't really remember which one. I just remember reading one of them got way too hot and occassionally would catch on fire.

 

[kimo25]

they can't go for formula 1 cause renualt is already in f1 and for those who doesn't know that nissan and renualt is already merjed company ......

 

[Double_R]

Appie audi are good you cant deny that.

 

[Brett]

Audi is really good and I think if they were to actually commit all the resources to F1, then they could do very well.

 

[katana87]

Audi is really good and I think if they were to actually commit all the resources to F1, then they could do very well.

they would have to find a pretty good driver to beat all the top dogs now, i would expect them to get in the high ranking polls