Nordschleife Lap Times

[Fobia]

Does the game send feedback to the ClubSport pedals? I was unaware there was force feedback to the pedals ...

Using a G27 and DFGT, braking is extremely unrealistic compared to a real car. In a car you use brake feel to judge how much pressure to apply; in GT5 you basically make a guess at how much brake pressure to apply. Other than damage, braking is the most unrealistic part of GT5.

GT5 doesn't send feedback but CSP have a load cell (pressure sensitivity, not travel sensitivity) which offers an unmatched realism on that matter, and CSP have a vibration motor which simulates lock-up feedback (you have to set it for each car if you want, I use it just as a measure for my pressure, I've set it up so that it vibrates when I reach 100%).

I had the "pleasure" of using a G25 once and man... that was the most unrealistic experience I've had. I even got worried since my wheel didn't arrive yet at the time, so I asked myself "did I waste 500 euros". G25's pedals are just horrible (same pedals G27 uses), travel is ridiculous, resistance is non existant and spacing is just silly. Just awful.
But man, CSPs are better than my real car's pedals.

 

[JDMKING13]

@JDMKING13
Sorry wasn't trying to attack you there which is why I didn't quote your post. As I stated I've seen quite a few similar posts about ABS or TC or what have you and they almost invariably end up with the poster claiming the superiority of their chosen style of play.
Again I apologize if I seemed to be attacking you.

You brought up a good point in your last post though about different controlers and claims about them. I'm wondering if your experience with ABS is in part at least due to your wheel/pedal setup. Personally I'm stuck driving with a DS3 (sensitivity set to 7) and I can tell you I've left plenty of black marks all over tracks with ABS1. Oh and I use the right thumbstick as throttle/brake instead of any of the buttons or triggers.

Might be interesting for a top GT5 driver who had access to several different wheel/controler setups to do a comparison of the effects of the different driving aids using them.

Again sorry wasn't trying to attack you.
Peace:tup:👍

Remember as Harvey Wallbanger always says...
Drive hard and have fun!

Yes my bad you didn't quote me I'm sorry I just didn't want you or others to think I was a snob driver I respect everyone driving abilities. Love the quote. 👍

 

[Obsidian-2]

GT5 doesn't send feedback but CSP have a load cell (pressure sensitivity, not travel sensitivity) which offers an unmatched realism on that matter, and CSP have a vibration motor which simulates lock-up feedback (you have to set it for each car if you want, I use it just as a measure for my pressure, I've set it up so that it vibrates when I reach 100%).

I had the "pleasure" of using a G25 once and man... that was the most unrealistic experience I've had. I even got worried since my wheel didn't arrive yet at the time, so I asked myself "did I waste 500 euros". G25's pedals are just horrible (same pedals G27 uses), travel is ridiculous, resistance is non existant and spacing is just silly. Just awful.
But man, CSPs are better than my real car's pedals.

Interesting, yes more pedal resistance would be helpful ... I see there is a relatively inexpensive load cell available for the G27 brake pedal. I may give it a try.

I agree it is terrible as it is ... braking is essentially a guess at how much pressure to apply and it is hard to accurately replicate it with any sort of consistency.

 

[JDMKING13]

Interesting, yes more pedal resistance would be helpful ... I see there is a relatively inexpensive load cell available for the G27 brake pedal. I may give it a try.

I agree it is terrible as it is ... braking is essentially a guess at how much pressure to apply and it is hard to accurately replicate it with any sort of consistency.

I get pulsing sensation throughout the wheel I love it and this is a main reason I love Fanatec products. 👍

 

[CodeRedR51]

This just goes to show how far off the online vs. offline physics are. If someone can run a 7:08 in the '12 GT-R offline, my lap of 7:20 (which I thought was pretty damn good) online looks slow in comparison.

 

[Fobia]

Sorry to break it to you but 7'20 with '12 GT-R is nothing that special so that you can blame it on online physics.
If I can do mid 20s with standing start in-race using a '07 GT-R I don't see how a 7'10 wouldn't be possible in an online hotlap using a '12 GT-R. Just practice a bit more, online physics difference isn't that big at all.

 

[Ghoa$t]

Sorry to break it to you but 7'20 with '12 GT-R is nothing that special so that you can blame it on online physics.
If I can do mid 20s with standing start in-race using a '07 GT-R I don't see how a 7'10 wouldn't be possible in an online hotlap using a '12 GT-R. Just practice a bit more, online physics difference isn't that big at all.

You're about to start an argument that you've already lost as of this post... And yeah... 7'10, in a GT-R, online, isn't happening.

 

[Ealirendur]

Did you have tire wear/fuel on in the online run(s)?

+~100kg for fuel weight, tire heat model different, wearing tires...

Not to say it's not partly down to the physics difference, but that one setting would be most of it.

 

[CodeRedR51]

You're about to start an argument that you've already lost as of this post... And yeah... 7'10, in a GT-R, online, isn't happening.

This. ^^^

The room was set up with NO tire wear, car was bone stock on Sport Hard tires. And you can't tell me it was a bad lap because I was concentrating pretty hard to get it to that time. And I am not a bad driver, just ask my friends around here. I didn't make it to the GT Academy finals for nothing.

 

[Ealirendur]

This. ^^^

The room was set up with NO tire wear, car was bone stock on Sport Hard tires. And you can't tell me it was a bad lap because I was concentrating pretty hard to get it to that time. And I am not a bad driver, just ask my friends around here. I didn't make it to the GT Academy finals for nothing.

Fair enough. I happen to know better than to question your speed cred, Jason (or drama-kyd's for that matter), but wear is a bit of a smoking gun. 10 seconds in the physics doesn't entirely surprise me, but you aliens can carry on amongst yourselves ... 7'10 offline is definitely sick as is, and wouldn't have come easily.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Can anyone replicate that time though? I mean, unless I missed it all the times posted on here don't require proof to be posted.

 

[Ealirendur]

Can anyone replicate that time though? I mean, unless I missed it all the times posted on here don't require proof to be posted.

Mike's got a video of the V-spec lap:



I have no reason to disbelieve his or Sutuki's times, either; Mike in particular has been at this for a while...

 

[CodeRedR51]

As long as there's proof, that's fine. 👍

I'm just kind of leery when people post times without some sort of proof.

 

[Mac K]

As long as there's proof, that's fine. 👍

I'm just kind of leery when people post times without some sort of proof.

I'm going to have to agree with you here. I'm not the next Aryton Senna but I wouldn't say I'm slow, but when people come on here and beat a lap time I posted by over 7 seconds I get a little suspicious. I can accept if someone is faster than me, but it erks me when I put so much time and effort into one lap to the point where I can't get anything more out of the car, then someone beats it by a fairly big margin which seems a little suspicious, and doesn't post proof to boot.

 

[mike_gt3]

What is happening here guys?
That leaderboard started by the OP allowed the ABS1 from the start, i will make this very simple, if it doesnt fit the requirement of anyone, just dont participate and please dont pollute this thread, i have well enought trouble keeping up with the updating with the few spare time i have, i have no need for people arguing on how realistic or unrealistic it is on braking.

If a time look suspicious, i will of course ask for proof at least once, and if anyone doubt, please post and we can ask for a proof, i can see if its true or not then, i want it to be fair for anyone and its just to have fun, most people so far are honest, i see this as a database, that is also used for leaderboard as a bonus.

All aids are allowed except SRF (only thing i use is ABS1) for more info you can refer to the first page of the thread or in the spreadsheet linked in my sig, if something is missing feel free to ask or PM me.



For further info about the rules please refer to the first page, or the spreadsheet linked in my sig.

Now please lets be mature and just drive.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Umm, just curious. Where exactly were we talking about braking?

We were talking about online physics vs. offline physics.

 

[GTP_CICO]

There is a big difference between online and offline. I would say you lose atleast 1sec in 1min.
RT is fast enough to run the times on the board that are offline I am sure, so a 7'20 online isnt bad.

For proof I saved all my laps that I posted in case people would doubt them, only use ABS 1.
The current TT34, should proof Mike and many others are well capable of running the times they posted.

 

[mike_gt3]

Umm, just curious. Where exactly were we talking about braking?

We were talking about online physics vs. offline physics.

From post no. 1937 and up

Are you guys using ABS or not? I am sorry but ABS makes driving during braking very unrealistic in GT5. I know we already are playing a game so your going to take turns as fast as possible but the ABS in GT5 makes the average racer look like Takiums dad during braking. I would love to know who is using ABS and who is not for I want to compete against the non abs drivers.

For the online vs offline, i dont see the problem to dicuss about it, and share your experience from online to offline, never said nothing against that.

I just dont want this to turn into a flaming war, theres no reason.

 

[Fobia]

This. ^^^

The room was set up with NO tire wear, car was bone stock on Sport Hard tires. And you can't tell me it was a bad lap because I was concentrating pretty hard to get it to that time. And I am not a bad driver, just ask my friends around here. I didn't make it to the GT Academy finals for nothing.

I really don't care about your GTA performance nor am I wondering about your driving speed since it's irrelevant.
I wrote 7'10 but I meant 7'10s, which infact could mean anything from 7'10 to 7'19 which I don't see as impossible even in a '07 GT-R.

 

[Mac K]

Sorry Mike, I'll get back on topic..

 

[Manuelos]

Sports soft.

Sports soft I'm pretty sure.

Thanks guys 👍

And if anyone would be doubting any of my times, please feel free to ask for replay verification or anything.
Oh and I'm running the ABS also at 1

 

[CodeRedR51]

From post no. 1937 and up

Oh well I wasn't participating in that specific conversation, so you lost me.

I really don't care about your GTA performance nor am I wondering about your driving speed since it's irrelevant.

It's plenty relevant.

 

[Obsidian-2]

I'm going to have to agree with you here. I'm not the next Aryton Senna but I wouldn't say I'm slow, but when people come on here and beat a lap time I posted by over 7 seconds I get a little suspicious. I can accept if someone is faster than me, but it erks me when I put so much time and effort into one lap to the point where I can't get anything more out of the car, then someone beats it by a fairly big margin which seems a little suspicious, and doesn't post proof to boot.

That's what's so great about the official TT ... it leaves no doubt whatsoever about where one stacks up on the 'ring. Good to see most of the top guys on the rankings here in the top 250.

Self reported times will always be somewhat suspicious. 👎

 

[Ghoa$t]

That's what's so great about the official TT ... it leaves no doubt whatsoever about where one stacks up on the 'ring. Good to see most of the top guys on the rankings here in the top 250.

Self reported times will always be somewhat suspicious. 👎

That depends on who is reporting said times... though, some times are sometimes questionable.

 

[MOTORTRENDmitch]

What is happening here guys?
That leaderboard started by the OP allowed the ABS1 from the start, i will make this very simple, if it doesnt fit the requirement of anyone, just dont participate and please dont pollute this thread, i have well enought trouble keeping up with the updating with the few spare time i have, i have no need for people arguing on how realistic or unrealistic it is on braking.

If a time look suspicious, i will of course ask for proof at least once, and if anyone doubt, please post and we can ask for a proof, i can see if its true or not then, i want it to be fair for anyone and its just to have fun, most people so far are honest, i see this as a database, that is also used for leaderboard as a bonus.

All aids are allowed except SRF (only thing i use is ABS1) for more info you can refer to the first page of the thread or in the spreadsheet linked in my sig, if something is missing feel free to ask or PM me.



For further info about the rules please refer to the first page, or the spreadsheet linked in my sig.

Now please lets be mature and just drive.

Note
mike_gt3 demands respect when talking about Nurburgring.
He is simply faster then you on this track regardless of who you are

This. ^^^

The room was set up with NO tire wear, car was bone stock on Sport Hard tires. And you can't tell me it was a bad lap because I was concentrating pretty hard to get it to that time. And I am not a bad driver, just ask my friends around here. I didn't make it to the GT Academy finals for nothing.

Got a good laugh out that one.. R1600 is another guy you can't call slow..

 

[mike_gt3]

Oh well I wasn't participating in that specific conversation, so you lost me.

I dont understand where you are going, i never said your username or talked about the online physic, all i asked is to keep the arguing away from the thread about the braking assist, if you arent into that conversation you dont need to feel attacked . I didnt attacked anyone either, its a simple request to keep this thread clean and somewhat easy to read.



Manuel, dont worry mate i know your time are legit, videos will always be welcomed and added on the sheet though 👍

Same for you CICO, Timppaq also always been honest and showed video on request.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I dont understand where you are going, i never said your username or talked about the online physic, all i asked is to keep the arguing away from the thread about the braking assist, if you arent into that conversation you dont need to feel attacked . I didnt attacked anyone either, its a simple request to keep this thread clean and somewhat easy to read.

I think that's the problem. You didn't quote anyone specifically and came in right in the middle of our physics conversation, so it made it look like you were talking to us.

Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Mac K]

Anyways... New times! Proof can be posted upon request

Racing/Non-Production Stock:

07:19.462- Renault Clio Sport Trophy Race Car '00 (Mac K) BEATEN

06:52.784- Nissan Skyline Falken GT-R Race Car '04 (Mac K) NEW

I think I can squeeze a little more out of the two, but this will do for now.

 

[mike_gt3]

I think that's the problem. You didn't quote anyone specifically and came in right in the middle of our physics conversation, so it made it look like you were talking to us.

Sorry for the confusion.

No problem,

i thought it was clear enought, my bad.

Nice times MacK thx for posting

 

[Ali]

Can anyone replicate that time though? I mean, unless I missed it all the times posted on here don't require proof to be posted.

Mike must have missed this GTR '12 7:06.867 post when he was updating the spreadsheet... :tup:



There's also a video of my GTR lap.