North Korea, Sanctions, and Kim Jong-un

No. As much as he brags, he was never a DC "insider". He never knew the ins and outs or who to trust.
I do believe both sides dislike him.
This is all I could find regarding conservative criticism of Bolton but it seems to agree with your opinion:

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/3/23/17155830/john-bolton-national-security-adviser-trump-mcmaster

Tom Nichols
As far as I can tell, his reputation is that he’s a brilliant guy, but very strange in his views and more extreme than most conservatives. His threshold for going to war is much, much lower than most people on the right.

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In fairness, the NSA is almost always someone with an agenda. We’ve had very few truly honest brokers in this position, in part because the job is so loosely defined. Basically, the NSA position is whatever the president wants it to be. But if part of the job is to be the gatekeeper among all the competing institutional interests around the president, then Bolton is a terrible choice.
 
Maybe he'll get one too. One can hope.

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Kim has arrived in Singapore, Trump will be arriving soon. There are rumours that Kim will leave pretty much right after they meet reinforcing the view that he might be in this just for the photo op and not for real dialogue.

It's costing Singapore $20 mil to host it, talk about footing the bill! Hope it's worth it!

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So it happened and the end result was a great photo op and credibility boost for Kim, and not really a lot else.

The signed accord is little more than a continuation of the agreement signed with the South that is so general as to be nice words and little substance.
 
I reckon that it is a major step in the right direction, and even raising the possibility of concessions from either side is a good thing.

It would appear that straightforward politeness and respect towards each other on a personal level makes all the difference. It is significant that Trump has said that the war games with the South will end - this was clearly a major sticking point for the North, and I reckon it is a major concession from Trump.

The very fact that Kim Jong-un has met the US President is a major diplomatic watershed in its own right - and when one factors in that that US President is Donald J. Trump, it makes it all the more remarkable.

Of course, it would be very easy to get carried away and believe that all of this is actually likely to end in a peaceful resolution that everyone is happy with, but at the very least the two people who really count in this stand-off have now met each other and have started the process of figuring out how each other's demands might one day be met.
 
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I reckon that it is a major step forward in the right direction, and even raising the possibility of concessions from either side is a good thing.

It would appear that straightforward politeness and respect towards each other on a personal level makes all the difference. It is significant that Trump has said that the war games with the South will end - this was clearly a major sticking point for the North, and I reckon it is a major concession from Trump.

The very fact that Kim Jong-un has met the US President is a major diplomatic watershed in its own right - and when one factors in that that US President is Donald J. Trump, it makes it all the more remarkable.

Of course, it would be very easy to get carried away and believe that all of this is actually likely to end in a peaceful resolution that everyone is happy with, but at the very least the two people who really count in this stand-off have now met each other and have started the process of figuring out how each other's demands might one day be met.
I agree to a point.

It is a watershed moment, but with it comes significant risk, far more for the west that for Kim.

The other potential problem would be (from Kim's view) just how fickle the US can be, all it takes is a change of mind (Trump can do that in a day) or administration for policies to end. The entire Iran situation is a good example of that.

I remain cautiously optimistic, but with a major bias towards the cautious.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1528791824
 
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I reckon that it is a major step forward in the right direction, and even raising the possibility of concessions from either side is a good thing.

It would appear that straightforward politeness and respect towards each other on a personal level makes all the difference. It is significant that Trump has said that the war games with the South will end - this was clearly a major sticking point for the North, and I reckon it is a major concession from Trump.

The very fact that Kim Jong-un has met the US President is a major diplomatic watershed in its own right - and when one factors in that that US President is Donald J. Trump, it makes it all the more remarkable.

Of course, it would be very easy to get carried away and believe that all of this is actually likely to end in a peaceful resolution that everyone is happy with, but at the very least the two people who really count in this stand-off have now met each other and have started the process of figuring out how each other's demands might one day be met.
Major announcements are being made as we speak and I assume further details will come out in the next few hours. The fact that the meeting took place to begin with is a major step forward and, Trump's general antics aside, is probably the only thing that would work in this case. Dealing with dictators through intermediaries and lower level diplomats isn't likely to work or be lasting. Trump dealing with this one on one, face to face, is probably the best avenue for progress. As always, the proof is in the pudding, we'll see what happens from here on in. Actions speak louder than words as the old saying goes. If it were Obama though, his name would already be on the Nobel Peace Prize, again:sly:.
 
Major announcements are being made as we speak and I assume further details will come out in the next few hours. The fact that the meeting took place to begin with is a major step forward and, Trump's general antics aside, is probably the only thing that would work in this case. Dealing with dictators through intermediaries and lower level diplomats isn't likely to work or be lasting. Trump dealing with this one on one, face to face, is probably the best avenue for progress. As always, the proof is in the pudding, we'll see what happens from here on in. Actions speak louder than words as the old saying goes. If it were Obama though, his name would already be on the Nobel Peace Prize, again:sly:.
Yep stuff is coming out and quite frankly it only looks one sided.

So Kim has actually committed to nothing more than he had before the talks (denuclearisation that requires NK not to be under the shadow of US nukes - that's never going to happen - but I did say a while ago that the US and NKs idea of denuclearisation remain very different).

Not that Trump thinks it will be a slow process "Mr Trump acknowledged that the timetable for denuclearisation is long, but said, "once you start the process it means it's pretty much over." No, it really, really doesn't at all, history shows that to be quite, quite clear; with the number of countries that once they obtained nuclear weapons then gave them up stands at one. The number who haven't is a little bigger.

Mean while Trump has heaped praise on Kim "very talented" and "he runs it tough", the latter of which is unfortunately horrifically true. Then he reveals that joint military ops with SK are now done with, something that he seems to have forgotten to let SK know about (and then threatened them in regard to trade - nice and classy).

The one thing Trump did say that rings very true is that Kim is "very smart negotiator", that's clear given the rather lopsided deal we have emerging.

I have a serious concern that Kim will get the US to either partially or full withdraw military support for SK and we end up with a "i have in my hand a piece of paper" moment.

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...es-kim-with-compliments-after-historic-summit
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1528793284

Oh and before it gets mentioned, regardless of who this was, even Obama, I would still consider it a one sided deal that's just given a brutal dictator not just legitimacy and a sense of equality (both of which he has always craved), but also the upper hand.
 
Oh and before it gets mentioned, regardless of who this was, even Obama, I would still consider it a one sided deal that's just given a brutal dictator not just legitimacy and a sense of equality (both of which he has always craved), but also the upper hand.

Well - at least Kim isn't a lying, backstabbing POS in charge of a cheating, untrustworthy regime ... like Trudeau.
 
IMHO, it is better to be talking peace like this than threatening each other with the fire and fury of nuclear immolation. Ordinary US citizens and businessmen are instant winners of a priceless victory: peace of mind and the confidence to go forward with works and investments. If Obama had done this - and then closed the deal with a verifiable treaty signed by Congress, it would have been worth 1000 Nobel peace prizes delivered to his home in Hawaii, or wherever he lives these days. I say let the Don deliver a signed treaty, another solid Supreme Court Justice or two, then let him get back to golfing and resort development. Then we'll take somebody with a lisp and fake eyebrows for a term or two.
 
IMHO, it is better to be talking peace like this than threatening each other with the fire and fury of nuclear immolation. Ordinary US citizens and businessmen are instant winners of a priceless victory: peace of mind and the confidence to go forward with works and investments. If Obama had done this - and then closed the deal with a verifiable treaty signed by Congress, it would have been worth 1000 Nobel peace prizes delivered to his home in Hawaii, or wherever he lives these days. I say let the Don deliver a signed treaty, another solid Supreme Court Justice or two, then let him get back to golfing and resort development. Then we'll take somebody with a lisp and fake eyebrows for a term or two.
Odd as any time Obama even suggested it he was attacked for being foolish and weak.

https://www.vox.com/2018/3/9/17100880/north-korea-republicans-right-conservatives-obama
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/01/iran-sailors-obama-republicans/424371/
 
IMHO, it is better to be talking peace like this than threatening each other with the fire and fury of nuclear immolation. Ordinary US citizens and businessmen are instant winners of a priceless victory: peace of mind and the confidence to go forward with works and investments. If Obama had done this - and then closed the deal with a verifiable treaty signed by Congress, it would have been worth 1000 Nobel peace prizes delivered to his home in Hawaii, or wherever he lives these days. I say let the Don deliver a signed treaty, another solid Supreme Court Justice or two, then let him get back to golfing and resort development. Then we'll take somebody with a lisp and fake eyebrows for a term or two.
I have to bookmark this so I can enter in the Post of the Year competition...lol
 
I have to bookmark this so I can enter in the Post of the Year competition...lol
That plays to your prerogative; it was practically a text-based fellating of your Orange Crush.

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