Notice of Account Ban measures

GTP_CargoRat
Well then you are not truely understanding what you read or the people you are getting it from are mis-informed aswell or just not telling the whole story. I find it best that if you don't know things for a fact yourself, rather than keeping the mis-informed train rolling, just not say nothing at all.

Just saying... Just because I don't know because I have not been banned. But i have heard of many ways to get back online after you have been banned.

Also I don't know if you know this or not. There are many different types of bans that can be issued not just the console bann I hope you know that. So if people find ways around those different types of bans then that isn't hard to believe.

I mean i can't post exact link on which I got this information for proof. It is against the AUP because the same link will bring you to where you actually download the software to make the hybrids. So i mean you can listen to what I am saying and the fact that others have confirmed this. Or you can choose to not believe me. But like I have said I am going by what these people (makers/testers of the software) have said.

And trust me I thought too that if you do get banned you are banned. But it has to come directly from Sony (via console bann) for you to be completely banned.
 
Just saying... Just because I don't know because I have not been banned. But i have heard of many ways to get back online after you have been banned.

Also I don't know if you know this or not. There are many different types of bans that can be issued not just the console bann I hope you know that. So if people find ways around those different types of bans then that isn't hard to believe.

I mean i can't post exact link on which I got this information for proof. It is against the AUP because the same link will bring you to where you actually download the software to make the hybrids. So i mean you can listen to what I am saying and the fact that others have confirmed this. Or you can choose to not believe me. But like I have said I am going by what these people (makers/testers of the software) have said.

And trust me I thought too that if you do get banned you are banned. But it has to come directly from Sony (via console bann) for you to be completely banned.


Do you know for a fact that there are different types of bans. And I'm not talking about what Joe Smo says on another forum. The fact is, no one except Sony/PD knows exactly how this banning process works. People can test and speculate all they want, but the fact remains no one knows for sure.

Getting back to why I originally posted here. I do know, as it is only common sense, that you simply can't just reload your original gamesave after being banned and be back and running again. It just does not work like that. There are other things involved. If what you are trying to say is true, then that would mean they are banning the items in your gamesave, so just reload a gamesave with no hacked items. Doesn't work like that, sorry. There are other things involved. That is hardly the case. In PD's vague notifacation, they stated accounts, not items in your garage. See how silly what you are saying sounds? When they ban someone, they have to ban you by IP Address, Console ID, or some other physical means. They are not going to ban you by your little 10,000 HP Redbull. They may ban you because of it, but they are not going to ban you by it. Do you understand now?
 
If you are stealing DLC, then this should be a ban.

Indeed.I imagine that this would be the least forgivable of all the offenses mentioned.The ban hammer would fall quickly on those that cheat or affect PD's bottom line.
 
Do you know for a fact that there are different types of bans. And I'm not talking about what Joe Smo says on another forum. The fact is, no one except Sony/PD knows exactly how this banning process works. People can test and speculate all they want, but the fact remains no one knows for sure.

Getting back to why I originally posted here. I do know, as it is only common sense, that you simply can't just reload your original gamesave after being banned and be back and running again. It just does not work like that. There are other things involved. If what you are trying to say is true, then that would mean they are banning the items in your gamesave, so just reload a gamesave with no hacked items. Doesn't work like that, sorry. There are other things involved. That is hardly the case. In PD's vague notifacation, they stated accounts, not items in your garage. See how silly what you are saying sounds? When they ban someone, they have to ban you by IP Address, Console ID, or some other physical means. They are not going to ban you by your little 10,000 HP Redbull. They may ban you because of it, but they are not going to ban you by it. Do you understand now?

Read my post again. I am talking about the GT5 online ban which is bound to the PSN account and only that, not IP or console banning what you talk about and which isn't issued for minor modding things.

I made test accounts on my PS3 and managed to get one banned from GT5 online (and GT5 online only, I can still sign in and play any other game online), than created a new PSN on a new account, reassigned the save and was able to go online in GT5.
 
If you are stealing DLC, then this should be a ban.

It would be much wiser for Sony/PD to go after the people creating these apps that enable people to steal the DLC. Without such apps, problem solved. Thats where Sony/PD are making their mistake. If they are so worried about all this hybridding going on, don't waste time banning people. Go after the people creating the software that is enabling all this to keep going on. Otherwise, their just fighting a losing battle. They are going about this bass ackwards.

@KiroKai: That is all well and good. But you did not just simply re-load an old save such as "Lock2lock" is trying to imply, or believes. You had to do other things like you said. Its just not as easy as grabbing a flash drive with an old save and bam, there you go. That is all I'm saying here.
 
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GTP_CargoRat
Do you know for a fact that there are different types of bans. And I'm not talking about what Joe Smo says on another forum. The fact is, no one except Sony/PD knows exactly how this banning process works. People can test and speculate all they want, but the fact remains no one knows for sure.

Getting back to why I originally posted here. I do know, as it is only common sense, that you simply can't just reload your original gamesave after being banned and be back and running again. It just does not work like that. There are other things involved. If what you are trying to say is true, then that would mean they are banning the items in your gamesave, so just reload a gamesave with no hacked items. Doesn't work like that, sorry. There are other things involved. That is hardly the case. In PD's vague notifacation, they stated accounts, not items in your garage. See how silly what you are saying sounds? When they ban someone, they have to ban you by IP Address, Console ID, or some other physical means. They are not going to ban you by your little 10,000 HP Redbull. They may ban you because of it, but they are not going to ban you by it. Do you understand now?

Yeah i get what you are saying.

I am just stating that PD has no authority to do that kind of bann anyway.

They can bann your account from accessing online features. That's all they can do. They still have to go through Sony for any other bann.

I mean i can ask those that have been banned and got around it to post their findings on here. But i am not going to post links from that those sites because i am not risking my membership on GTP.

But i fully get what you are saying. Which that's what it assumed too. But just saying like the guy posted above. There are ways around it like the example he gave of re-assigning your save data.

If i get banned i will make sure to prove or disprove these statements that others have made. Which means or you have no idea what is exactly true or not till it happens to us.
I am just stating what they have said and figured out. I am not saying it's fact or not that it is simple as reloading your none hacked save on to get around it. But with that said I am also not denying it.

But i will say that it is fact that there are different types of bans. Such as...
1. Console bans (such as what happens when you get caught with a jailbroken PS3
2. Individual PSN ID bans (when you get caught violating Sony TOS
3. Bans from accessing online features of a game (such as the case of PD's notice)

PD gas online so much authority to issue bans. They or any game manufacturer has the right to bann you from PSN directly.
 
GTP_CargoRat
It would be much wiser for Sony/PD to go after the people creating these apps that enable people to steal the DLC. Without such apps, problem solved. Thats where Sony/PD are making their mistake. If they are so worried about all this hybridding going on, don't waste time banning people. Go after the people creating the software that is enabling all this to keep going on. Otherwise, their just fighting a losing battle. They are going about this bass ackwards.

Would they be able to find and identify the people who created it?
 
What if you don't use hacked/modded cars online period? Is that okay? How about if you have oh, say, a little over 4 billion dollars? Could I get banned for that? :nervous:
 
WWE907
What if you don't use hacked/modded cars online period? Is that okay? How about if you have oh, say, a little over 4 billion dollars? Could I get banned for that? :nervous:

No not for that.

For upping your money the PD ninjas come for you.
 
im not banned, but is anyone else having connection problems to the server recently, like extremely long loading times and time outs etc
 
Would they be able to find and identify the people who created it?

Well, if I can go online and find the apps, why can't they? As far as identifiing the people, that is pretty easy for them to do too. There are many ways, with the proper tools and tech, to find out who you are online. Oh yes, they can give false details when registering to the website that they are members of, but no matter what you do online, it is always going to be attached to the computer you are using at the time.
 
GTP_CargoRat
Well, if I can go online and find the apps, why can't they? As far as identifiing the people, that is pretty easy for them to do too. There are many ways, with the proper tools and tech, to find out who you are online. Oh yes, they can give false details when registering to the website that they are members of, but no matter what you do online, it is always going to be attached to some physical address, or place by the computer you are using.

Ok I never thought of that thanks for the info.
 
It would be much wiser for Sony/PD to go after the people creating these apps that enable people to steal the DLC. Without such apps, problem solved. Thats where Sony/PD are making their mistake. If they are so worried about all this hybridding going on, don't waste time banning people. Go after the people creating the software that is enabling all this to keep going on. Otherwise, their just fighting a losing battle. They are going about this bass ackwards.

Not good enough. The DLC paint and cars have hex codes, just like every other car/paint chip in the game. If you know what they are, you can use the DLC just as easily as the game's original content.
 
Look guys, all I'm trying to say here is there is some bad information being passed along here in this thread. Like telling someone that they are safe online with their hybrids as long as they are in a private lobby. Not true. It may private to other players, but it is certainly not private to Sony/PD. Like I said, no one knows exactly how this banning process works or even if it will change in the future. Yes, testing the waters may give you an idea, but it is not going to show you the whole picture. If you are into your hybrids and don't want to be banned, simply keep them offline unless you are willing to take the chance of being banned. And yes, I know there are ways around the banning process, but that may not be always the case. Lets not forget who is ultimately in control here....its not us. It also depends on how far Sony/PD is willing to go in fighting this whole ordeal. They are not being very smart about it at this point tho, I'll tell yea that. Bottom line, enjoy your hybrids if thats what you like, just be careful what you do with them. Also, don't steal paid DLC, thats where I have to draw the line on this whole thing.
 
Muo, exactly, it is not just done by software, even if Sony manage to ban the source, thousands of people already have it and it will keep spreading, there are enough tutorials on the web to learn doing it manually in a hex editor yourself (not too hard, I have close to no programming knowledge and learned the principle by doing it for a few hours, the rest is just inserting values you either copy from your own save or find on the web).

And about it being more effort since you have to reassign your save, yes it is, but most people clever enough to find and use the hybrid tools will find the reassign tools and will be able to use them as well.

Edit, in response to the latest post, my personal view is that I'm not scared to get banned because the game is old and lame without the new creations, so I just use them and enjoy the time online, if I get banned so be it, if they go as far as console banning me (which I really doubt) I'll just wait for the PS4 and GT6 and get it if it's good.
 
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No not for that.

For upping your money the PD ninjas come for you.

Okay, I've worked out a plan. I am going to stay offline (as in disabling the internet connection on my PS3) until I get all of the cars in the game, then I'll do any random race, knock my money back down to $20,000,000 and delete my hacked cars (which I will do first), then maybe I'll be out of the woods. How does that sound? :scared:
 
I have already bought the Paint Pack twice.

Someone else answered my question.

I'm not going to get on a moral high horse, you make your own decisions. But, given the nature of what you're doing I'd be surprised if you avoided a ban if identified.
 
... When they ban someone, they have to ban you by IP Address, Console ID, or some other physical means. ...

I posted this a 100 or so posts ago, and I get insulted when everyone ignores it. This is how PD's online ban works. It is not associated with your machine and does not affect PSN. I know this from reading the NGU forums and from being a programmer myself:
Me
PD can ban you from online events by flagging your save game with a ban notice. It's written into the savegame code as you are playing the game. This has nothing to do with PSN or Sony. It (the code) is identified on PD's servers and you are refused a connection. Your username is also blacklisted (on their servers).
To get around this you make a new username and import your old save game, having used an editor on your PC to change the save game's userID and remove the banning flag (remove the ban code). Then you have a new username with your old save game intact and PD's servers still love you.
It's not rocket science. (This wasn't directed at you Mitch - it was for all the people asking the same questions again and again)
 
GTP_CargoRat
Look guys, all I'm trying to say here is there is some bad information being passed along here in this thread. Like telling someone that they are safe online with their hybrids as long as they are in a private lobby. Not true. It may private to other players, but it is certainly not private to Sony/PD. Like I said, no one knows exactly how this banning process works or even if it will change in the future. Yes, testing the waters may give you an idea, but it is not going to show you the whole picture. If you are into your hybrids and don't want to be banned, simply keep them offline unless you are willing to take the chance of being banned. And yes, I know there are ways around the banning process, but that may not be always the case. Lets not forget who is ultimately in control here....its not us. It also depends on how far Sony/PD is willing to go in fighting this whole ordeal. They are not being very smart about it at this point tho, I'll tell yea that. Bottom line, enjoy your hybrids if thats what you like, just be careful what you do with them. Also, don't steal paid DLC, thats where I have to draw the line on this whole thing.

Agreed.

And yeah I have bought the paints I think 4 times so I am not stealing them neither have any need in applieing them in the program.
Just saying

SirAlanClive
I posted this a 100 or so posts ago, and I get insulted when everyone ignores it. This is how PD's online ban works. It is not associated with your machine and does not affect PSN. I know this from reading the NGU forums and from being a programmer myself:

It's not rocket science. (This wasn't directed at you Mitch - it was for all the people asking the same questions again and again)

I believe you and part of it I have said with my discussion with cargo
 
It would be much wiser for Sony/PD to go after the people creating these apps that enable people to steal the DLC. Without such apps, problem solved. Thats where Sony/PD are making their mistake. If they are so worried about all this hybridding going on, don't waste time banning people. Go after the people creating the software that is enabling all this to keep going on. Otherwise, their just fighting a losing battle. They are going about this bass ackwards.

How many people have actually been prosecuted for hacking a game? Sony only sued George Hotz for jailbreaking the PS3 OS, which is about as serious an "offence" possible with a PS3 and even then they came to a settlement with him and he avoided jail. Geohot may have stopped hacking the PS3 but it hasn't stopped others.

The point is, once it's out there, its out there. Where one leads, others will follow. Shutting the stable door once the horse has bolted is pointless honestly.

Thats why measures taken against reverse engineering usually involve encryption and obfuscation rather than prosecution. Think about it, it took nearly 3 years for the encryption to be broken and modding to break out on piece of software, thats pretty good by any developers standards. I'm guessing that the revenue stream of GT5 is pretty small by this point and they're probably much to preoccupied with GT6 to give it a great deal of consideration other than banning those caught cheating.
 
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chug-a-bug
How many people have actually been prosecuted for hacking a game? Sony only sued George Hotz for jailbreaking the PS3 OS, which is about as serious an "offence" possible with a PS3 and even then they came to a settlement with him and he avoided jail. Geohot may have stopped hacking the PS3 but it hasn't stopped others.

The point is, once it's out there, its out there. Where one leads, others will follow. Shutting the stable door once the horse has bolted is pointless honestly.

Thats why measures taken against reverse engineering usually involve encryption and obfuscation rather than prosecution. Think about it, it took nearly 3 years for the encryption to be broken and modding to break out on piece of software, thats pretty good by any developers standards. I'm guessing that the revenue stream of GT5 is pretty small by this point and they're probably much to preoccupied with GT6 to give it a great deal of consideration other than banning those caught cheating.

Also a lot of people forget that the main reason he was sued was because he was selling the jailbreak. Which violates the copyright laws.
 
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