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Notice of Account Ban measures
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- Dry7123
( EDIT !!! ) accidently hit send message when I was trying to fix my improper paragraphs on my Ipod touch 4th Gen.)
Coming from an avid racer who has been racing SuperGT500 cars since gt5's release, I am fully aware of what a stock, tuned and hacked gt500 car can do around a track. Some (or most) may find this mean, but with my experiences, no exclusions should be made to the bannings, regardless if the use was online or not. nobody I raced against was doing it just for fun. Maybe it's just my dumb luck but every hacker I raced against shaved a good 4-7 seconds off an already near impossible lap time. Me being a totaly gt500 geek, (yes both tuned with turbo's and stock gt500 race cars). Very rarely have I seen people post quicker lap times at these locations... (Note cars ARE tuned with stage 3 engine upgrades and a stage 2 turbo kit)
SSR5 1:15.5's
Nürburgring GP/F 1:51.6's
Rome 1:03.1's
Tokyo R246 1:33.4's
Deep Forest Raceway Reverse 1:06.6's
Nurburgring Nordschleife 6:12.xxx
Cote D'Azure (Monaco) 1:29.6's
Sazuka 1:51'2's
Daytona road course 1:49'2s
All the people who i have raced with that has hacked their car to be faster around track shaved atleast a good 4 seconds off of these times (via most recent patch).
So because of my bad experiences, I'm finding it very hard to be sympathetic to those who have modded even the slightest bit. Just because you're "bored" of the game doesn't fully give you the right to mod the thing. Sorry but I'm pro for banning all modders/hackers either it be online or offline use... (Kudo's to those of you that modded on your secondary ps3's)
Coming from an avid racer who has been racing SuperGT500 cars since gt5's release, I am fully aware of what a stock, tuned and hacked gt500 car can do around a track. Some (or most) may find this mean, but with my experiences, no exclusions should be made to the bannings, regardless if the use was online or not. nobody I raced against was doing it just for fun. Maybe it's just my dumb luck but every hacker I raced against shaved a good 4-7 seconds off an already near impossible lap time. Me being a totaly gt500 geek, (yes both tuned with turbo's and stock gt500 race cars). Very rarely have I seen people post quicker lap times at these locations... (Note cars ARE tuned with stage 3 engine upgrades and a stage 2 turbo kit)
SSR5 1:15.5's
Nürburgring GP/F 1:51.6's
Rome 1:03.1's
Tokyo R246 1:33.4's
Deep Forest Raceway Reverse 1:06.6's
Nurburgring Nordschleife 6:12.xxx
Cote D'Azure (Monaco) 1:29.6's
Sazuka 1:51'2's
Daytona road course 1:49'2s
All the people who i have raced with that has hacked their car to be faster around track shaved atleast a good 4 seconds off of these times (via most recent patch).
So because of my bad experiences, I'm finding it very hard to be sympathetic to those who have modded even the slightest bit. Just because you're "bored" of the game doesn't fully give you the right to mod the thing. Sorry but I'm pro for banning all modders/hackers either it be online or offline use... (Kudo's to those of you that modded on your secondary ps3's)
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So, it happened.
Guess the terms of service is more than just a document simply made for fun.
As it's written it says "use of illicitly modified game data". It doesn't specify more than that, so let's just assume that it's any use. Online as well as offline.
Well, what is going on is that they're saying "stop it, or else". "It", referring to any use if illicitly modified game data. The X1, as alien as it may be, does not violate the terms of service. For fun is also irrelevant, you can't say to the officer stopping you for speeding that it was only for fun. You still get a ticket.
Why? So that next time, people can feel free to hack the game away until they are discovered and then just say "sorry" and wait for the next opportunity? It's better to give no amnesty, because then people will stick to the rules.
As I understand it they can ban either the main account, the main account+sub accounts or the entire PS3. What is says in the text is that the online ID's who are caught will not be able to access the online services of GT5, so it doesn't seem to be a general PSN ban, just for GT5.
I guess that's why they give a written warning, so that most people will have time to delete their stuff before they get caught. For the people who are too late, well sorry but someone has to be the warning example.
Guess the terms of service is more than just a document simply made for fun.
As it's written it says "use of illicitly modified game data". It doesn't specify more than that, so let's just assume that it's any use. Online as well as offline.
Well, what is going on is that they're saying "stop it, or else". "It", referring to any use if illicitly modified game data. The X1, as alien as it may be, does not violate the terms of service. For fun is also irrelevant, you can't say to the officer stopping you for speeding that it was only for fun. You still get a ticket.
Times like these are when I really wish PD was better at PR. I'm personally hoping for a hacked car amnesty like Turn 10 did
Why? So that next time, people can feel free to hack the game away until they are discovered and then just say "sorry" and wait for the next opportunity? It's better to give no amnesty, because then people will stick to the rules.
As I understand it they can ban either the main account, the main account+sub accounts or the entire PS3. What is says in the text is that the online ID's who are caught will not be able to access the online services of GT5, so it doesn't seem to be a general PSN ban, just for GT5.
I guess that's why they give a written warning, so that most people will have time to delete their stuff before they get caught. For the people who are too late, well sorry but someone has to be the warning example.
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Sounds scary..
I hope they don't start deranking people.
What if you borrowed a car off a friend to do seasonals what would happen then ?
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I only did the hybriding on my messing around account. Would never do such a thing on my main.
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- Dry7123
How can't they? It's pretty clear to me that tampering with or modding a games hardware is violating some sorts or rights and agreements that you said you would NOT do...
People aren't allowed to jailbreak iphones or ipods, but by your logic if they don't connect it to wifi or a 4g connection it's apparently okay to do?
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Dry7123
Fyi jailbreaking phones is legal in the US
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I posted my thoughts on the news, I'll repost them here. NOTE: THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LEGAL IMPLICATIONS. This post is just about why, in my opinion, it is completely against PD's advantage to ban all hackers. However, I can assure you that they have that power and can enforce it.
The problem is that they should have allowed such modifications as a legal, regular game mechanic to begin with. Maybe not all, but some.
Fact of the matter is, they made a game that was sort of fun. But their PP, tuning, and modification system was way too simple and left little room for excitement or play-ability. We accepted that, sure, but the community at large wanted more customization, and perhaps tighter competition because of it. Drag racing was (in my opinion) almost solved, so that skill was basically out of the equation (once you learned to find the proper tunes and launch technique) and 90% of races at most PP levels had fairly ideal cars. Skill still mattered, but it meant that a large portion of the vehicles in game were relatively useless aside from aesthetic pleasure. Their physics and pp system updates were the only thing shaking up the playing field.
When hybrids were discovered, it become obvious that many players who didn’t want extreme modifications began to use them as well. The drifting community in specific, one of the largest sub-communities in the game (possibly the largest, given how much drift support GT5 gave them) grew tastefully and surprisingly well. This shows that if PD had properly made the game’s modifications to allow for the swapping of most engines, tires, etc. there would be a much smaller group of people actually trying to hack the save file, and those who are would be making much more illegal cars.
The issue is not that people hacked the game. People are going to hack video games. It happens to nearly every game that has come out in the last thirty years. They become modified, they get hacked, it happens. They should accept that. The problem is that so many people are hacking it, that it no longer fits their vision of a proper game. The “customization” aspect moved from “not very fun”, passed “just right” and went straight into “way too much” when hacking was introduced. PD has a wonderful opportunity now to dial it back just a little, but allow a lot of the unique modifications.
If they ban those who are using the cars to achieve faster competitive times in races online or offline illegally, then I completely understand. If they ban the entirely of hackers however, they they are just moving the game back to its stagnant space that it occupied half a year ago.
The smart move would have been to let this go for another six months, and then start banning during a GT6 promotional or near the release, and rectify the problems in GT6.
Perhaps the most interesting thing about this entire situation, now that I think about it, is that it reminds me a lot of old school Formula 1. For fear of ruining the ‘sporting’ nature, many many technologies have been banned over the years. Some of which were clearly attempts at cheating, but others of which were examples of customization and uniqueness.
The difference is that Formula 1 was a single type of race with a specific purpose. But Gran Turismo is a simulator of both racing, and a community. If they want ANY realism in that simulated community, they should start considering what some of these hackers are doing, and how it has improved parts of the game significantly. Just like when turbos were invented, or the rotary engine, or the ground effect, or wings, or disc brakes, or blown spoilers… all of those innovations came from people trying to gain a competitive edge. The list goes on.
For those who love GT5, remember that Forza has attempted to emulate the community, between Forza Horizon, available engine swaps, etc.
If Gran Turismo is the most realistic driving simulator in the world, but is a completely unrealistic simulator for the experience and community of automobiles, well, a lot of people may get fed up with it.
The problem is that they should have allowed such modifications as a legal, regular game mechanic to begin with. Maybe not all, but some.
Fact of the matter is, they made a game that was sort of fun. But their PP, tuning, and modification system was way too simple and left little room for excitement or play-ability. We accepted that, sure, but the community at large wanted more customization, and perhaps tighter competition because of it. Drag racing was (in my opinion) almost solved, so that skill was basically out of the equation (once you learned to find the proper tunes and launch technique) and 90% of races at most PP levels had fairly ideal cars. Skill still mattered, but it meant that a large portion of the vehicles in game were relatively useless aside from aesthetic pleasure. Their physics and pp system updates were the only thing shaking up the playing field.
When hybrids were discovered, it become obvious that many players who didn’t want extreme modifications began to use them as well. The drifting community in specific, one of the largest sub-communities in the game (possibly the largest, given how much drift support GT5 gave them) grew tastefully and surprisingly well. This shows that if PD had properly made the game’s modifications to allow for the swapping of most engines, tires, etc. there would be a much smaller group of people actually trying to hack the save file, and those who are would be making much more illegal cars.
The issue is not that people hacked the game. People are going to hack video games. It happens to nearly every game that has come out in the last thirty years. They become modified, they get hacked, it happens. They should accept that. The problem is that so many people are hacking it, that it no longer fits their vision of a proper game. The “customization” aspect moved from “not very fun”, passed “just right” and went straight into “way too much” when hacking was introduced. PD has a wonderful opportunity now to dial it back just a little, but allow a lot of the unique modifications.
If they ban those who are using the cars to achieve faster competitive times in races online or offline illegally, then I completely understand. If they ban the entirely of hackers however, they they are just moving the game back to its stagnant space that it occupied half a year ago.
The smart move would have been to let this go for another six months, and then start banning during a GT6 promotional or near the release, and rectify the problems in GT6.
Perhaps the most interesting thing about this entire situation, now that I think about it, is that it reminds me a lot of old school Formula 1. For fear of ruining the ‘sporting’ nature, many many technologies have been banned over the years. Some of which were clearly attempts at cheating, but others of which were examples of customization and uniqueness.
The difference is that Formula 1 was a single type of race with a specific purpose. But Gran Turismo is a simulator of both racing, and a community. If they want ANY realism in that simulated community, they should start considering what some of these hackers are doing, and how it has improved parts of the game significantly. Just like when turbos were invented, or the rotary engine, or the ground effect, or wings, or disc brakes, or blown spoilers… all of those innovations came from people trying to gain a competitive edge. The list goes on.
For those who love GT5, remember that Forza has attempted to emulate the community, between Forza Horizon, available engine swaps, etc.
If Gran Turismo is the most realistic driving simulator in the world, but is a completely unrealistic simulator for the experience and community of automobiles, well, a lot of people may get fed up with it.
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Fyi jailbreaking phones is legal in the US
My apologies, I was very un-aware that jailbraking was legal anywhere... (Coming from a guy that hates apple products) seriously though, think about all the money they have lost and are still losing due to jailbraking. If i were apple I would try to either hire the jailbrake creators and either work together to stop it from happening, or work together with them and collaborate some way and make a buiseness deal, but thats a whole different story for a different place and time...
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- Devintheninja504
Ghost hit the nail right in the head. Great post and perspective
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EXACTLY my opinion. The GT5 community - perhaps especially the DRIFTING community - wanted this. The costumization. It's not "unrealistic" (as opposed to the "REAL driving simulator" to want to own a virtual GT86 with a Nascar TRD V8 (real example). The hacking is obviously against the game rules, no doubt about it, but it should also be a sign to PD. We love the game, but we want more costumization while keeping it "REAL".
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That's where a lot of people get confused.
The jailbreak is a great example.
The jailbreak has been resently blocked again in the lastest PS3 system update (which the last jailbreak software was and had been out since i think last November).
What happens is when the update comes out they block the jailbroken system from logging into PSN but it still works offline. In other words it isn't "bricked" but it is blocked from logging onto the servers.
Same thing will envolve here. They will "bann/Block" the people that are using hybrids from being able to access online features in GT5. This will not stop them from playing GT5 all together though.
Also Judging by the fact that this notice is regarding the online Seasonal Ranked Events as in drift trails/time trials and nothing else (nothing else yet at least) I highly doubt that this will bann them all together.
But like i said with the example of the jailbroken PS3s they cannot ban you for playing a game on your system but they can bann you from accessing online features
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Dry7123
The reason why it was made legal is because you own the physical property ie the phone. The service provider can't tell you what to do with it after you own it.
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- eran0004
Legally (and technically) they can, but I think it's restricted to the system software. If you mess with the system software they have the right to shut your console down permanently. Of course, this would require your console to be connected to the internet, or Sony to be using ninjas to enter your home and smash your PS3 to pieces.
Modifying GT5 save data is not part of the system software though, so in this case it's probably not going to be worse than a PSN ban, and according to the text they released it seems like it will just be a ban for use of GT5's online services.
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If they're just going for PSN IDs, this is just nothing but a slap on the wrist. People who were tactful enough to hybrid on a completely seperate account will be unaffected and what's stoping people who do get banned from just making another account to get online with hybrids again?
