Notice of Account Ban measures

What abou the RB 5g? Its not a hacked car?? PD made it only available in Japan, and some pepole shared it later with the world...
So this one i think is ok??
 
What abou the RB 5g? Its not a hacked car?? PD made it only available in Japan, and some pepole shared it later with the world...
So this one i think is ok??

Again, no-one knows. I deleted all my hybrids save for a 5G, though since I think it is technically a hybrid (it sounds like a Lamborghini) I'm not so sure.
 
( EDIT !!! ) accidently hit send message when I was trying to fix my improper paragraphs on my Ipod touch 4th Gen.)


Coming from an avid racer who has been racing SuperGT500 cars since gt5's release, I am fully aware of what a stock, tuned and hacked gt500 car can do around a track. Some (or most) may find this mean, but with my experiences, no exclusions should be made to the bannings, regardless if the use was online or not. nobody I raced against was doing it just for fun. Maybe it's just my dumb luck but every hacker I raced against shaved a good 4-7 seconds off an already near impossible lap time. Me being a totaly gt500 geek, (yes both tuned with turbo's and stock gt500 race cars). Very rarely have I seen people post quicker lap times at these locations... (Note cars ARE tuned with stage 3 engine upgrades and a stage 2 turbo kit)

SSR5 1:15.5's
Nürburgring GP/F 1:51.6's
Rome 1:03.1's
Tokyo R246 1:33.4's
Deep Forest Raceway Reverse 1:06.6's
Nurburgring Nordschleife 6:12.xxx
Cote D'Azure (Monaco) 1:29.6's
Sazuka 1:51'2's
Daytona road course 1:49'2s

All the people who i have raced with that has hacked their car to be faster around track shaved atleast a good 4 seconds off of these times (via most recent patch).
So because of my bad experiences, I'm finding it very hard to be sympathetic to those who have modded even the slightest bit. Just because you're "bored" of the game doesn't fully give you the right to mod the thing. Sorry but I'm pro for banning all modders/hackers either it be online or offline use... (Kudo's to those of you that modded on your secondary ps3's)
 
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I also deleted my 2 "different" cars. Never used them in any kind of online race/event/trial. Didnt made them. So i can sleep safe now.
 
So, it happened.
Guess the terms of service is more than just a document simply made for fun.

wait does this mean that if you are on a leader board with a hybrid you're banned from gt5? or does it mean if you use a Hybrid online period your banned, like say i use my modded MX-5 to play around on a drift or cruise lobby but only in "for fun" lobbies i won't be banned right?

So is this for people using the cars in the Seasonal events, or any online mode?

As it's written it says "use of illicitly modified game data". It doesn't specify more than that, so let's just assume that it's any use. Online as well as offline.

I hope not. Even so I haven't used it but once and cannot handle it so if I must delete it I will but I'd really like to get more details on what is going on first. The report is very vague. I can understand if I were out blowing DT scores off the board with a hybrid and getting banned but having a for fun car driven as such and being banned is dumb especially since in the end an X1/X2011 can mow my MX5 down without trying.

Well, what is going on is that they're saying "stop it, or else". "It", referring to any use if illicitly modified game data. The X1, as alien as it may be, does not violate the terms of service. For fun is also irrelevant, you can't say to the officer stopping you for speeding that it was only for fun. You still get a ticket.

Times like these are when I really wish PD was better at PR. I'm personally hoping for a hacked car amnesty like Turn 10 did :indiff:

Why? So that next time, people can feel free to hack the game away until they are discovered and then just say "sorry" and wait for the next opportunity? It's better to give no amnesty, because then people will stick to the rules.

I'd say the real question here is 'Will they ban the PS3 ID or just the PSN ID?'
Reading around the net I'm thinking they may go for the PS3 - and then you're 🤬

Fact or rumors about going for the ps3?

As I understand it they can ban either the main account, the main account+sub accounts or the entire PS3. What is says in the text is that the online ID's who are caught will not be able to access the online services of GT5, so it doesn't seem to be a general PSN ban, just for GT5.

It will be interesting considering if there are alot of people doing it.

I guess that's why they give a written warning, so that most people will have time to delete their stuff before they get caught. For the people who are too late, well sorry but someone has to be the warning example.
 
Hmm, based on the description I think accounts will only be banned from accessing GT5's online section. I'm sure they won't go around banning PSN accounts and PS3s altogether. Knock on wood. :scared:

I hope soo.... :/

regards
 
and will be subject to penalties as soon as they are found.

Sounds scary..
I hope they don't start deranking people.
What if you borrowed a car off a friend to do seasonals what would happen then ?
 
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I was now online on gt5 (clean), and on the gt menu is also a message about suspicious game datas info, and they have banned the users if i readed it right??
 
( EDIT !!! ) accidently hit send message when I was trying to fix my improper paragraphs on my Ipod touch 4th Gen.)


Coming from an avid racer who has been racing SuperGT500 cars since gt5's release, I am fully aware of what a stock, tuned and hacked gt500 car can do around a track. Some (or most) may find this mean, but with my experiences, no exclusions should be made to the bannings, regardless if the use was online or not. nobody I raced against was doing it just for fun. Maybe it's just my dumb luck but every hacker I raced against shaved a good 4-7 seconds off an already near impossible lap time. Me being a totaly gt500 geek, (yes both tuned with turbo's and stock gt500 race cars). Very rarely have I seen people post quicker lap times at these locations... (Note cars ARE tuned with stage 3 engine upgrades and a stage 2 turbo kit)

SSR5 1:15.5's
Nürburgring GP/F 1:51.6's
Rome 1:03.1's
Tokyo R246 1:33.4's
Deep Forest Raceway Reverse 1:06.6's
Nurburgring Nordschleife 6:12.xxx
Cote D'Azure (Monaco) 1:29.6's
Sazuka 1:51'2's
Daytona road course 1:49'2s

All the people who i have raced with that has hacked their car to be faster around track shaved atleast a good 4 seconds off of these times (via most recent patch).
So because of my bad experiences, I'm finding it very hard to be sympathetic to those who have modded even the slightest bit. Just because you're "bored" of the game doesn't fully give you the right to mod the thing. Sorry but I'm pro for banning all modders/hackers either it be online or offline use... (Kudo's to those of you that modded on your secondary ps3's)

i respect your opinion. But just to inform you they cannot bann your system for offline use (legally they cannot)
 
i respect your opinion. But just to inform you they cannot bann your system for offline use (legally they cannot)

How can't they? It's pretty clear to me that tampering with or modding a games hardware is violating some sorts or rights and agreements that you said you would NOT do...

People aren't allowed to jailbreak iphones or ipods, but by your logic if they don't connect it to wifi or a 4g connection it's apparently okay to do?
 
Dry7123
How can't they? It's pretty clear to me that tampering with or modding a games hardware is violating some sorts or rights and agreements that you said you would NOT do...

People aren't allowed to jailbreak iphones or ipods, but by your logic if they don't connect it to wifi or a 4g connection it's apparently okay to do?

Fyi jailbreaking phones is legal in the US :)
 
I posted my thoughts on the news, I'll repost them here. NOTE: THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LEGAL IMPLICATIONS. This post is just about why, in my opinion, it is completely against PD's advantage to ban all hackers. However, I can assure you that they have that power and can enforce it.

The problem is that they should have allowed such modifications as a legal, regular game mechanic to begin with. Maybe not all, but some.

Fact of the matter is, they made a game that was sort of fun. But their PP, tuning, and modification system was way too simple and left little room for excitement or play-ability. We accepted that, sure, but the community at large wanted more customization, and perhaps tighter competition because of it. Drag racing was (in my opinion) almost solved, so that skill was basically out of the equation (once you learned to find the proper tunes and launch technique) and 90% of races at most PP levels had fairly ideal cars. Skill still mattered, but it meant that a large portion of the vehicles in game were relatively useless aside from aesthetic pleasure. Their physics and pp system updates were the only thing shaking up the playing field.

When hybrids were discovered, it become obvious that many players who didn’t want extreme modifications began to use them as well. The drifting community in specific, one of the largest sub-communities in the game (possibly the largest, given how much drift support GT5 gave them) grew tastefully and surprisingly well. This shows that if PD had properly made the game’s modifications to allow for the swapping of most engines, tires, etc. there would be a much smaller group of people actually trying to hack the save file, and those who are would be making much more illegal cars.

The issue is not that people hacked the game. People are going to hack video games. It happens to nearly every game that has come out in the last thirty years. They become modified, they get hacked, it happens. They should accept that. The problem is that so many people are hacking it, that it no longer fits their vision of a proper game. The “customization” aspect moved from “not very fun”, passed “just right” and went straight into “way too much” when hacking was introduced. PD has a wonderful opportunity now to dial it back just a little, but allow a lot of the unique modifications.

If they ban those who are using the cars to achieve faster competitive times in races online or offline illegally, then I completely understand. If they ban the entirely of hackers however, they they are just moving the game back to its stagnant space that it occupied half a year ago.

The smart move would have been to let this go for another six months, and then start banning during a GT6 promotional or near the release, and rectify the problems in GT6.

Perhaps the most interesting thing about this entire situation, now that I think about it, is that it reminds me a lot of old school Formula 1. For fear of ruining the ‘sporting’ nature, many many technologies have been banned over the years. Some of which were clearly attempts at cheating, but others of which were examples of customization and uniqueness.

The difference is that Formula 1 was a single type of race with a specific purpose. But Gran Turismo is a simulator of both racing, and a community. If they want ANY realism in that simulated community, they should start considering what some of these hackers are doing, and how it has improved parts of the game significantly. Just like when turbos were invented, or the rotary engine, or the ground effect, or wings, or disc brakes, or blown spoilers… all of those innovations came from people trying to gain a competitive edge. The list goes on.

For those who love GT5, remember that Forza has attempted to emulate the community, between Forza Horizon, available engine swaps, etc.

If Gran Turismo is the most realistic driving simulator in the world, but is a completely unrealistic simulator for the experience and community of automobiles, well, a lot of people may get fed up with it.
 
How can't they? It's pretty clear to me that tampering with or modding a games hardware is violating some sorts or rights and agreements that you said you would NOT do...

People aren't allowed to jailbreak iphones or ipods, but by your logic if they don't connect it to wifi or a 4g connection it's apparently okay to do?

You're allowed to do what you like with a product you own, aslong as you're not stealing or affecting other users. (if not connected you aren't harming anyone/anything) ToS only applies to the online service, nobody agreed to not do anything when buying the game.
 
Fyi jailbreaking phones is legal in the US :)

My apologies, I was very un-aware that jailbraking was legal anywhere... (Coming from a guy that hates apple products) seriously though, think about all the money they have lost and are still losing due to jailbraking. If i were apple I would try to either hire the jailbrake creators and either work together to stop it from happening, or work together with them and collaborate some way and make a buiseness deal, but thats a whole different story for a different place and time...
 
I posted my thoughts on the news, I'll repost them here. NOTE: THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LEGAL IMPLICATIONS. This post is just about why, in my opinion, it is completely against PD's advantage to ban all hackers. However, I can assure you that they have that power and can enforce it.

The problem is that they should have allowed such modifications as a legal, regular game mechanic to begin with. Maybe not all, but some.

(...)

The issue is not that people hacked the game. People are going to hack video games. It happens to nearly every game that has come out in the last thirty years. They become modified, they get hacked, it happens. They should accept that. The problem is that so many people are hacking it, that it no longer fits their vision of a proper game. The “customization” aspect moved from “not very fun”, passed “just right” and went straight into “way too much” when hacking was introduced. PD has a wonderful opportunity now to dial it back just a little, but allow a lot of the unique modifications.

If they ban those who are using the cars to achieve faster competitive times in races online or offline illegally, then I completely understand. If they ban the entirely of hackers however, they they are just moving the game back to its stagnant space that it occupied half a year ago.

(...)

Perhaps the most interesting thing about this entire situation, now that I think about it, is that it reminds me a lot of old school Formula 1. For fear of ruining the ‘sporting’ nature, many many technologies have been banned over the years. Some of which were clearly attempts at cheating, but others of which were examples of customization and uniqueness.

The difference is that Formula 1 was a single type of race with a specific purpose. But Gran Turismo is a simulator of both racing, and a community. If they want ANY realism in that simulated community, they should start considering what some of these hackers are doing, and how it has improved parts of the game significantly. Just like when turbos were invented, or the rotary engine, or the ground effect, or wings, or disc brakes, or blown spoilers… all of those innovations came from people trying to gain a competitive edge. The list goes on.

(...)

If Gran Turismo is the most realistic driving simulator in the world, but is a completely unrealistic simulator for the experience and community of automobiles, well, a lot of people may get fed up with it.

EXACTLY my opinion. The GT5 community - perhaps especially the DRIFTING community - wanted this. The costumization. It's not "unrealistic" (as opposed to the "REAL driving simulator" to want to own a virtual GT86 with a Nascar TRD V8 (real example). The hacking is obviously against the game rules, no doubt about it, but it should also be a sign to PD. We love the game, but we want more costumization while keeping it "REAL".
 
How can't they? It's pretty clear to me that tampering with or modding a games hardware is violating some sorts or rights and agreements that you said you would NOT do...

People aren't allowed to jailbreak iphones or ipods, but by your logic if they don't connect it to wifi or a 4g connection it's apparently okay to do?

That's where a lot of people get confused.

The jailbreak is a great example.
The jailbreak has been resently blocked again in the lastest PS3 system update (which the last jailbreak software was and had been out since i think last November).

What happens is when the update comes out they block the jailbroken system from logging into PSN but it still works offline. In other words it isn't "bricked" but it is blocked from logging onto the servers.

Same thing will envolve here. They will "bann/Block" the people that are using hybrids from being able to access online features in GT5. This will not stop them from playing GT5 all together though.


Also Judging by the fact that this notice is regarding the online Seasonal Ranked Events as in drift trails/time trials and nothing else (nothing else yet at least) I highly doubt that this will bann them all together.

But like i said with the example of the jailbroken PS3s they cannot ban you for playing a game on your system but they can bann you from accessing online features
 
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That's where a lot of people get confused.

The jailbreak is a great example.
The jailbreak has been resently blocked again in the lastest PS3 system update.

What happens is when the update comes out they block the jailbroken system from logging into PSN but it still works offline. In other words it isn't "bricked" but it is blocked from logging onto the servers.

Same thing will envolve here. They will "bann/Block" the people that are using hybrids from being able to access online features in GT5. This will not stop them from playing GT5 all together though.

Also Judging by the fact that this notice is regarding the online Seasonal Ranked Events as in drift trails/time trials and nothing else (nothing else yet at least) I highly doubt that this will bann them all together.

But like i said with the example of the jailbroken PS3s they cannot ban you for playing a game on your system but they can bann you from accessing online features

And that is something I dont worry about I never play online.
 
Dry7123
My apologies, I was very un-aware that jailbraking was legal anywhere... (Coming from a guy that hates apple products) seriously though, think about all the money they have lost and are still losing due to jailbraking. If i were apple I would try to either hire the jailbrake creators and either work together to stop it from happening, or work together with them and collaborate some way and make a buiseness deal, but thats a whole different story for a different place and time...

The reason why it was made legal is because you own the physical property ie the phone. The service provider can't tell you what to do with it after you own it.
 
What happens is when the update comes out they block the jailbroken system from logging into PSN but it still works offline. In other words it isn't "bricked" but it is blocked from logging onto the servers.

But like i said with the example of the jailbroken PS3s they cannot ban you for playing a game on your system but they can bann you from accessing online features

Alrighty, you got me there... Only a fool would continue to argue with that haha, thank you for clarifying.
 
i respect your opinion. But just to inform you they cannot bann your system for offline use (legally they cannot)

Legally (and technically) they can, but I think it's restricted to the system software. If you mess with the system software they have the right to shut your console down permanently. Of course, this would require your console to be connected to the internet, or Sony to be using ninjas to enter your home and smash your PS3 to pieces.

Modifying GT5 save data is not part of the system software though, so in this case it's probably not going to be worse than a PSN ban, and according to the text they released it seems like it will just be a ban for use of GT5's online services.
 
Legally they can, but I think it's restricted to the system software. If you mess with the system software they have the right to shut your console down permanently. Modifying GT5 save data is not part of the system software though, so in this case it's probably not going to be worse than a PSN ban, and according to the text they released it seems like it will just be a ban for use of GT5's online services.

(Speaking hypothetically) So what if PD released gt6 with Sony's ps4 and had the games hardware in the systems software? Say they got rid of blu-ray disks and the game came as a bundle with the system. Could they ban/sue then?
 
Alrighty, you got me there... Only a fool would continue to argue with that haha, thank you for clarifying.

No problem. A lot of people get confused where the ToS actually apply. Mainly it is online where it does. But offline you have everyright to modify it to do whatever you want.
 
If they're just going for PSN IDs, this is just nothing but a slap on the wrist. People who were tactful enough to hybrid on a completely seperate account will be unaffected and what's stoping people who do get banned from just making another account to get online with hybrids again?
 
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