Notice of Account Ban measures

[thelvynau]

If they're just going for PSN IDs, this is just nothing but a slap on the wrist. People who were tactful enough to hybrid on a completely seperate account will be unaffected and what's stoping people who do get banned from just making another account to get online with hybrids again?

Im not sure but this could be a show of force from Sony a scare tactic.

If they ban a certain amount of accounts the rest will fall in line.

 

[JanTTuX]

If they're just going for PSN IDs, this is just nothing but a slap on the wrist. People who were tactful enough to hybrid on a completely seperate account will be unaffected and what's stoping people who do get banned from just making another account to get online with hybrids again?

Well they can change it to Console IDs.

 

[Nitrous ox]

I think Sony are trying to scare us into abandoning hybrids, especially online, and I for one will be abandoning hyrids to ensure I dont get banned, I cant see them banning everyone that has ever had a hybrid, or used one to get a quick $20mill in seasonals, if they did that they would find a good proportion of their customers abandoning them.

But sure for those world rank type of events, such as time trials and drifting, personally I think they can't be tough enough. I think its more of a warning now but persist and bans will follow.

So far no one has come forward with being banned, but I for one wont risk it any longer 👍

 

[Lock2Lock]

If they're just going for PSN IDs, this is just nothing but a slap on the wrist. People who were tactful enough to hybrid on a completely seperate account will be unaffected and what's stoping people who do get banned from just making another account to get online with hybrids again?

part of my post in another thread...

As of right now hybrids are still working online. Just i would listen to the warning the PD has sent and continue to stay out of the online ranked seasoanl drift/time trials. (which i fully agree if you have/planning on going into one of those events you are simply asking for it and i will laugh when you get banned for entering your hybrid in those)

Basically if they are dumb enough to do it again after the other account was blocked from accessing online features to go back and do it again they deserve all that PD/Sony can dish out. Those are the ones that ruin it for everyone

 

[StaryStarego]

WOO HOO!
banhammer landed
so many reports, so many days
have a nice offline game cheating ****

 

[Ranman20]

Well there goes my fun. GT5 was bad as it is. But hybrids revived it for me atleast.

 

[eran0004]

(Speaking hypothetically) So what if PD released gt6 with Sony's ps4 and had the games hardware in the systems software? Say they got rid of blu-ray disks and the game came as a bundle with the system. Could they ban/sue then?

They can sue in either case, regardless of what the terms of service or system software license agreement says, because the immaterial rights belong to Sony and Polyphony Digital. If you alter their work, they can sue you. And it's not just a matter of Sony being duchebags, I'm sure a lot of car manufacturers (like Ferrari) aren't too happy about 4 meter tall cars, or wheels sticking out from the body. Polyphony Digital bought the license to include their cars in the game, but they didn't buy the license to make them look ridiculous.

(Now someone is going to argue about pink cars and Forza abominations, but when you sit down with a car manufacturer you say "we want your cars in our game", they say "what are the terms?" and you reply "these things will be possible to do with the cars" and they say "alright, we can agree to that". Altering a car by hacking is an unintended way of modification, and allows for things that the manufacturer never agreed to. Pink paint chips and livery editors are part of the deal, hacking is not part of the deal.)

It wouldn't be very efficient to file lawsuits against thousands of gamers though so the best way is to find other ways of keeping people from doing things they're not allowed to. Like banning access to online services etc.

Regarding incorporating GT6 in the PS4 system software, I don't see how that would make sense. But hypothetically that would give them the rights to terminate your console, given that the PS4 system software license agreement is similar to the PS3's.

Having the rights to do something is not the same thing as doing it though, I don't think Sony has actually terminated any jailbroken PS3, only banned them from use of online services. Actually going ahead and terminating consoles might give some negative PR, so I guess it's in their interest to use the softer approach.

No problem. A lot of people get confused where the ToS actually apply. Mainly it is online where it does. But offline you have everyright to modify it to do whatever you want.

Nope, you don't have any rights to hack a game, online or offline.
The PSN terms only applies to PSN services, so if you're offline you don't use PSN. But immaterial laws still applies, offline or online.

 

[Brend]

Maybe I'm looking too much into it but the fact they are going out their way to do something about Hybrids suggests that we haven't seen the last of upcoming GT5 updates + DLC.

 

[Lock2Lock]

Nope, you don't have any rights to hack a game, online or offline.
The PSN terms only applies to PSN services, so if you're offline you don't use PSN. But immaterial laws still applies, offline or online.

I really do not want to get into a debate about the ToS and where they apply with you.

But if you do not want to believe what i am telling you fine by me. I just want to clarify as to where they in fact do apply online.but if you do not go online you can make it run windows for all i care it doesn't mean you are breaking the ToS.

As a example of offline breaks in the ToS.
Say if you did jailbreak your PS3 and you have some kind of problem and you need to send it into Sony for a repair ok. You send it in and some how they find out that you have moded the hardware/software your warranty is void and they will just send it back to you because they will not service it. That is a example.

Anything offline you own it. You could modify it in anyway you like as long as you do not bring it online. If you sell off information regarding code or mass produce it in anyway that is where the legal aspect of it comes involved.

You get what i am saying now?

 

[tronrider345]

If I use a hybrid on the GT Life Practice and still be online, my ID can be banned?

 

[Argon]

*...snip...*Anything offline you own it. You could modify it in anyway you like as long as you do not bring it online. If you sell off information regarding code or mass produce it in anyway that is where the legal aspect of it comes involved.

You get what i am saying now?

eran004 is right!. Just because you hack away in the privacy of your own home does not make it right and it does indeed break the contract of agreement you made when you accepted the product from Sony. If you hack into their code you are most definitely in the wrong and in violation of the intellectual property rights that Sony and PD maintain regardless of how you come by the product!

That said the likelihood of you being discovered is unlikely unless you are foolish enough to make your hacking public by sending a broken system in for repair as in your example. If you do then you can expect to feel the full extent of the law.

 

[SirAlanClive]

My GT5 cover tells me to go to eu.playstation.com/usage and read ToS there. This is what I get (It's a Scandinavian cover and I get the UK site so I guess we all do here in Europe)

This application is operated and provided by Sony Computer Entertainment Europe Limited of 10 Great Marlborough Street, London W1F 7LP, United Kingdom ("SCEE"). We provide a number of applications with many different features. These Terms of Use set out how you may use our applications, although not all features will be available in all applications. Our applications may only be available in certain countries and languages.

By installing and using this application, you agree to be bound by these Terms of Use and the terms of use of any third party website on which you access or use this application. We reserve the right to amend these Terms of Use from time to time, so you should review this page from time to time for any changes. Additional terms may apply to particular features or promotions.
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2. Intellectual Property

All intellectual property rights in the application and in the information, content and software available via the application belong to SCEE, our licensors and/or the operator of the third party website on which you access or use the application. Much of the application is protected by copyright, trade mark, database rights and other intellectual property rights. Unless otherwise stated, you are entitled to install and use the application only for your personal use. You must not copy, modify, adapt, distribute, publish, sell, licence or transfer all or any part of the application to anyone else and you must not use the application for any commercial purpose. Except to the extent permitted by applicable law, you must not disassemble, de-compile, reverse engineer or otherwise break or attempt to break encryption protecting the application.
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7. Governing law

These Terms of Use are governed by English law. The contract between you and SCEE is formed in England.

I wonder what 'applicable law' means?

 

[Lock2Lock]

My GT5 cover tells me to go to eu.playstation.com/usage and read ToS there. This is what I get (It's a Scandinavian cover and I get the UK site so I guess we all do here in Europe)


I wonder what 'applicable law' means?

That is actually what i was getting at. Personal use you can do whatever you want it is just the matters of reproducing it is when lawful actions may occur

 

[Johnnypenso]

My GT5 cover tells me to go to eu.playstation.com/usage and read ToS there. This is what I get (It's a Scandinavian cover and I get the UK site so I guess we all do here in Europe)


I wonder what 'applicable law' means?

Laws applicable to the country you reside in.

 

[backpian1]

well i got on my ps3, deleted my save data, loaded up my virgin save data that i had 3 back up of, load the game up offline and saved it, went online no problem. the FIRST thing i hope everyone did was make a back up of a back up of their save data BEFORE any off their hybrid exploits. I mean people also need to check with the people they sent their hybrid cars to to make sure they delete it as well, so ur name can be as clear as possible if sony and PD decides to check everyone's sent history, who they got a certain car from etc, personally i think right now its a scare tactic, becasue i know it might not have no much meaning here, But when i update my wii, it will give a warning saying basically if you have modded stuff on your wii, stop this update. i don't think they will ista ban everyone that modded at one point with one large ban wave without giving them a opportunity to remove their mods. I cant speak for the leader-board modders but i think the average free roam, drifters, and curse modders MIGHT get looked past due to them not directly affecting a person in a ranked match or leaderboard. unless they got reported enough...but that is a whole nother post lol

 

[SirAlanClive]

I think people like this guy should be hit hardest....he's selling hybrids (he'll give you one if you buy his book or give him DLC codes etc). He's probably the source of many of the cars and certainly someone who has spread the problem to the extent that Sony/PD has had to react.

A guy with a YouTube channel

At least here on this planet we didn't resort to selling each other cars...did we?

Hope Sony enforce their ToS on him. He's breaking all the rules!

 

[Mikeybc]

If it's a complete ban from PSN however - that's going to seriously suck for anyone who has purchased items from the PS store..

Will also suck for Sony with lost revenue from future DLC purchases.

 

[BongRipz]

I really do not want to get into a debate about the ToS and where they apply with you.

But if you do not want to believe what i am telling you fine by me. I just want to clarify as to where they in fact do apply online.but if you do not go online you can make it run windows for all i care it doesn't mean you are breaking the ToS.

As a example of offline breaks in the ToS.
Say if you did jailbreak your PS3 and you have some kind of problem and you need to send it into Sony for a repair ok. You send it in and some how they find out that you have moded the hardware/software your warranty is void and they will just send it back to you because they will not service it. That is a example.

Anything offline you own it. You could modify it in anyway you like as long as you do not bring it online. If you sell off information regarding code or mass produce it in anyway that is where the legal aspect of it comes involved.

You get what i am saying now?

As someone that used to mess around with console modification I can tell you this is 100% correct. You are within your right to do whatever you want with your own console short of outright piracy. Sony on the other hand has the right to say any modifications to their system or software will exclude you from their online services and of course will void your warranty.

 

[Argon]

That is actually what i was getting at. Personal use you can do whatever you want it is just the matters of reproducing it is when lawful actions may occur

You may not alter amend or change the product even if it is for your own use!!!!......What is it that is so hard to understand?

The property rights and copyright for the PS3 AND ALL SOFTWARE belong with the producers. There is never a circumstance where you are entitled to change those products under any circumstances.

Hope that is clear enough for you!

 

[thelvynau]

You may not alter amend or change the product even if it is for your own use!!!!......What is it that is so hard to understand?

The property rights and copyright for the PS3 AND ALL SOFTWARE belong with the producers. There is never a circumstance where you are entitled to change those products under any circumstances.

Hope that is clear enough for you!

Your interpretation of the TOS I gather?

 

[Argon]

Your interpretation of the TOS I gather?

My experience of dealing with software piracy over the last 35 years!!!

 

[skyhighguy86]

You may not alter amend or change the product even if it is for your own use!!!!......What is it that is so hard to understand?

The property rights and copyright for the PS3 AND ALL SOFTWARE belong with the producers. There is never a circumstance where you are entitled to change those products under any circumstances.

Hope that is clear enough for you!

👍

 

[Mikeybc]

As long as your not modifying the console for resale or distribution you can do whatever you want with it, don't expect warranty though. Same as anything else you buy such as a car, audio system, toasters etc.

Modding something to run illegal software is another story though.

 

[thelvynau]

My experience of dealing with software piracy over the last 35 years!!!

How is a hybrid software piracy?

 

[Argon]

How is a hybrid software piracy?

I can't even be bothered to answer you....clearly you don't care about copyright and property rights

 

[Exorcet]

OK, people banned.

Did they fix online lobbies, which is probably simpler than banning, or are they still broken?

I'm finding it hard to feel good about this. It feels more like nothing has happened.

 

[thelvynau]

I can't even be bothered to answer you....clearly you don't care about copyright and property rights

Ummm I think you need to ease up I asked a question because I didnt understand something as you do when you wish to gain more knowledge.

 

[MAidioPT]

If I use a hybrid on the GT Life Practice and still be online, my ID can be banned?

same answer: we dont know...

regards

 

[Nismo34]

How is a hybrid software piracy?

Im seconding this question. Has me genuinely curious...

 

[Guardian]

Can I just say 'Hah'! to all of you who decided it would be a good idea to tamper with the cars in GT5 - thinking PD weren't watching you.

I said it from the outset that this would happen; and my 'tip' that punishment was coming soon, paid off, didn't it?

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Enjoy your just-deserts.

I'll send you a postcard from online.

Notice of Account Ban measures
We have recently confirmed usage of illicitly modified game data in the online services of Gran Turismo 5, and the relevant accounts have now been banned from the service.
Hereafter, these Online ID's in question will no longer be able to access the online portion of Gran Turismo 5.
Please be aware that usage of illicitly modified game data and any mischievous conduct against other players using such data are strictly prohibited, and will be subject to penalties as soon as they are found.
We ask everyone for their continued understanding and support.