Nurburgring Challenge Version 2 *POST YOUR TIMES*(N2, S2 and R3 Tires)

[Diego440]

I'm of the opinion that maybe about 10% of the drivers (maybe even less) drive with driving aids on. More to the point, anyone who knows a bit about cars knows that driving aids will definitely slow you down.

 

[Fyshokid]

I also thought about that with the driving aids, but then it should be in a "Nurburgring Challenge Version 3" since I don't know if I had driving aids or not on any of my times

 

[AusBoyRacer]

I'm of the opinion that maybe about 10% of the drivers (maybe even less) drive with driving aids on. More to the point, anyone who knows a bit about cars knows that driving aids will definitely slow you down.

Yeh Yeh Diego, I can see your point but it does help to get faster lap times if say you were driving a car with 450KW+ on N2 tyres....

I just think every time should be posted without driving aids because then its all the drivers skill, not just the skill of handling and control but also they're skill with the accelerator..

To me, driving aids are giving the driver an 'advantage' in this situation over a driver who would otherwise drive without them. Making the rule so that everyone goes without just evens up the playing feild and makes for more intense leaderboard results...

 

[AngelCreator]

It would be cool to have which time used aids and which didn't, but it would take a lot of work.
Plus I sure alot of people don't remember if they used aids or not(like this one).

I also thought about that with the driving aids, but then it should be in a "Nurburgring Challenge Version 3" since I don't know if I had driving aids or not on any of my times

It could be formatted as a table using Excel similar to the way the table was used to show the used car cycle for the PAL version of GT4

I would put in Excel, but I don't have the program or know how to use it.

A friend of mine just done this :

See his name in the vid. I have to say it's quite a nice lap he's done there. I myself ran almost all Board Challenge and this one is a clean lap.
Congrats to him!

That's a good video:tup:. I think I will put it on the first page.

 

[AusBoyRacer]

Guess we will just have to keep it as is then, in that case i will work on my Cadillac Cien time because the time i posted was without driving aids, I am pretty sure I can improve with better traction

 

[Diego440]

Or... and this is a big OR

In the case that you remember if you used driving aids, just put after the time (TCS Activated; ASM Activaded; TCS/ASM Activated)

so it would be something like this

8'37.682 - -Diego- - Jay Leno Tank Car '04 - S2 - (TCS Activated)
and keep it in the list of those tyres, among the rest

Thoughts, suggestions, insults?

 

[Mr. Apex]

Say, the thread is growing nicely when one drops back in after a few weeks... but there's just one thing I don't like: The S2 throne in the hands of the Cadillac Cien? What?! The ugly one with the sound of a sewing machine???

There must be something that can be done! Even if we got 250 hp less than the caddie... so the time might not stand for long...
Anyway, here we go:

6'49.186 - Mr. Apex - Amuse S2000 GT1 '04 - S2

System: PAL
Device: DFP
All aids: Off, of course. Say no to nannying electronics!

P.S.: Near-miss at Adenauer Forst included (+1 sec.), a couple "whimp-out 'n' step-on-the-brakes-too-earlys" included as well (+4 sec.). So I say the Amuse GT1 is sub - 6'45 - material for sure. Who wants to prove it?

 

[AusBoyRacer]

That would be a good idea Diego, I also thought about that but wasn't sure if it would make the leaderboard look untidy, If AngelCreator made it a rule that everyone had to state whether they used DA's or not, I would be completely behind it, because driving aids do have a big effect on the final result.
I'm all for it.
What does everyone else think?
IDEA: We could post ASM/TCS in a certain colour depending on whether they are used or not like green for off and yellow for on?

P.S. At the moment: Trying to get my Suzuki Cappuccino '95 under that 10 minute mark...
I'm only 370 thousands of a second off but I can't seem to crack it!
I'll keep at it and post the time asap

Edit: And I have just done it!
9'57.782 - AusBoyRacer - Suzuki Cappuccino (EA21R) '95 - ASM/TCS - N2
AngelCreator, In the code I indicated that I did not use driving aids, hence ASM/TCS being in green. If you dont like this system, feel free to delet it when you post it on the leaderboard thanks.
I've just raced around the 'Ring in a car with 47kw and 102.89NM of torque on N2 tyres in under 10 minutes! It was hard and frustrating but I knew the time was there and I was determined to get it.
I've saved the replay if you guys wanna check it but I'm not sure how to load it on, does it just work via USB?

 

[alrivers]

well, if he does decide to put in the aid thing, then I'll state now that I didn't use TCS or ASM in either of my runs

 

[Ocean]

What's wrong with them being organised by tyre?

Thanks for the thought but I find it easier to sort them by tire

then within every list according to tyre, it should be organized by car

 

[Mr. Apex]

then within every list according to tyre, it should be organized by car

Yeah, I thought about that too. IMHO the lists are becoming a little hard to read because they are so awesomely long.
Here's a suggestion, AngelCreator: It would be possible to divide each of the Leaderboard into three or more sections/subdivisions to break things a bit down, like this, for example:

Leaderboard for N2 Tires

Sports cars A & Supercars
7'09.913 - VTRacing - Amuse S2000 GT1 '04
7'19.945 - Mr. Apex - Amuse S2000 GT1 '04
7'20.625 - AusBoyRacer - Cadillac Cien '02
7'30.316 - AusBoyRacer - Tommykaira ZZ-II '00
7'30.684 - jimeez - Amuse S2000 GT1 '04

Sports cars B
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Classic Cars (1900 - 1979)
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A-Class to M-Class Cars (all other cars)
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Leaderboard for S2 Tires

Sports cars A & Supercars
6'49.186 - Mr. Apex - Amuse S2000 GT1 '04
6'49.305 - jimeez - 02 Cadillac Cien
6'53.913 - Gt3Emperor - Amuse S2000 GT1 '04
6'54.510 - Gt3Emperor - VW Nardo Concept '04
6'54.707 - Gt3Emperor - Cadillac Cien '02

Sports cars B
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Classic Cars (1900 - 1979)
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A-Class to M-Class Cars (all other cars)
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Leaderboard for R3 Tires
5'21.849 - Fyshokid - Formula Gran Turismo
5'28.468 - Fyshokid - MINOLTA Toyota 88C-V Race Car '89
5'33.328 - Fyshokid - Nissan R89C Race Car '89
5'34.495 - Gt3Emperor - Toyota Minolta 88C-V '89
5'39.978 - Fyshokid - Nissan R92CP Race Car '92

(IMHO the R3 board might not need subdivisions at the moment... could be added later)

 

[Mr. Apex]

Classes could be divided like this, for example (More or less as they do it on http://db.gtrp.de/ the database of the german forum):

Sports cars A & Supercars:
Amuse CarbonR (R34) 2004 723 PS 713 HP 1010 kg 0.7158 PS/kg FR
Amuse S2000 GT1 2004 610 PS 602 HP 1062 kg 0.5744 PS/kg FR
Audi Nuvolari quattro 2003 728 PS 718 HP 1409 kg 0.5167 PS/kg 4WD
Audi LeMans quattro 2003 768 PS 757 HP 1377 kg 0.5577 PS/kg 4WD
Blitz ER34 D1 spec 2004 2004 568 PS 560 HP 1062 kg 0.5348 PS/kg FR
Buick Special 1962 702 PS 692 HP 1227 kg 0.5721 PS/kg FR
Cadillac Cien 2002 912 PS 900 HP 1305 kg 0.6989 PS/kg MR
Caterham Seven Fire Blade 2002 192 PS 189 HP 332 kg 0.5783 PS/kg FR
HKS Genki Hyper Silvia RS2 2004 578 PS 570 HP 1017 kg 0.5683 PS/kg FR
Honda NSX-R Prototype LM Road Car 2002 663 PS 654 HP 1107 kg 0.5989 PS/kg MR
Jaguar XJ220 1992 627 PS 618 HP 1234 kg 0.5081 PS/kg MR
Mine's Skyline GT-R VN1 Vspec (R34) 2000 720 PS 710 HP 1206 kg 0.5970 PS/kg 4WD
Nissan Option Stream Z 2004 922 PS 909 HP 1296 kg 0.7114 PS/kg FR
Pagani Zonda C12S 2000 661 PS 652 HP 1215 kg 0.5440 PS/kg MR
Pagani Zonda C12S 7.3 2002 667 PS 658 HP 1125 kg 0.5929 PS/kg MR
RUF CTR "Yellow Bird" 1987 562 PS 554 HP 1035 kg 0.5430 PS/kg RR
RUF CTR 2 1996 625 PS 616 HP 1242 kg 0.5032 PS/kg 4WD
Saleen S7 2002 669 PS 660 HP 1125 kg 0.5947 PS/kg MR
Spyker C8 Laviolette 2002 546 PS 539 HP 963 kg 0.5670 PS/kg FR
Tommy Kaira ZZII 2000 660 PS 651 HP 900 kg 0.7333 PS/kg 4WD
TVR Cerbera Speed 12 2000 970 PS 957 HP 918 kg 1.0566 PS/kg FR
Volkswagen W12 Nardo Concept 2001 720 PS 710 HP 1170 kg 0.6154 PS/kg MR

Aston Martin Vanquish 2004 559 PS 551 HP 1651 kg 0.3386 PS/kg FR
Aston Martin V8 Vantage 1999 679 PS 670 HP 1773 kg 0.3830 PS/kg FR
Aston Martin DB9 Coupe 2003 546 PS 539 HP 1539 kg 0.3548 PS/kg FR
Audi Pikes Peak quattro 2003 611 PS 603 HP 1727 kg 0.3538 PS/kg 4WD
BMW M3 CSL 2003 430 PS 424 HP 1246 kg 0.3451 PS/kg FR
BMW M3 GTR 2003 456 PS 450 HP 1215 kg 0.3753 PS/kg FR
BMW M5 2005 609 PS 601 HP 1543 kg 0.3947 PS/kg FR
Callaway C12 2003 526 PS 519 HP 1332 kg 0.3949 PS/kg FR
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C5) 2000 460 PS 454 HP 1268 kg 0.3628 PS/kg FR
Cizeta V16T 1994 705 PS 695 HP 1476 kg 0.4776 PS/kg MR
Dodge Viper GTSR Concept 2000 606 PS 598 HP 1327 kg 0.4567 PS/kg FR
Dodge Viper GTS 1999 546 PS 539 HP 1412 kg 0.3867 PS/kg FR
Dodge Viper SRT10 2003 607 PS 599 HP 1379 kg 0.4402 PS/kg FR
Ford GT 2002 607 PS 599 HP 1305 kg 0.4651 PS/kg MR
Ford GT 2005 670 PS 661 HP 1306 kg 0.5130 PS/kg MR
Honda HSC "37th MS Concept Car" 2003 394 PS 389 HP 1035 kg 0.3807 PS/kg MR
Honda Dualnote 2001 472 PS 466 HP 1260 kg 0.3746 PS/kg 4WD
HPA Motorsports Stage II R32 2004 634 PS 625 HP 1336 kg 0.4746 PS/kg 4WD
Jay Leno Tank Car 2003 1080 PS 1065 HP 3150 kg 0.3429 PS/kg FR
Lotus Motor Sport Elise 1999 244 PS 241 HP 630 kg 0.3873 PS/kg MR
Lotus Esprit V8 SE 1998 429 PS 423 HP 1242 kg 0.3454 PS/kg MR
Lotus Esprit Sport 350 2000 429 PS 423 HP 1170 kg 0.3667 PS/kg MR
Lotus Esprit V8 2002 429 PS 423 HP 1242 kg 0.3454 PS/kg MR
Lotus Elise Sport 190 1999 228 PS 225 HP 603 kg 0.3781 PS/kg MR
Lotus Esprit V8 GT 1998 429 PS 423 HP 1192 kg 0.3599 PS/kg MR
Mazda BP Falken RX-7 (D1GP) 2003 490 PS 483 HP 1107 kg 0.4426 PS/kg FR
Mercedes-Benz SL 65 AMG (R230) 2004 734 PS 724 HP 1825 kg 0.4022 PS/kg FR
Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 2003 750 PS 740 HP 1591 kg 0.4714 PS/kg FR
Mercedes-Benz SL 55 AMG (R230) 2002 598 PS 590 HP 1759 kg 0.3400 PS/kg FR
Mine's Lancer Evolution VO 2000 480 PS 473 HP 1089 kg 0.4408 PS/kg 4WD
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI RS 1999 379 PS 374 HP 1134 kg 0.3342 PS/kg 4WD
Mitsubishi HSR-II Concept 1989 418 PS 412 HP 1080 kg 0.3870 PS/kg 4WD
Nike One 2022 0 310 PS 306 HP 684 kg 0.4532 PS/kg 4WD
Nismo Skyline GT-R S-tune (R32) 2000 490 PS 483 HP 1350 kg 0.3630 PS/kg 4WD
Nismo Fairlady Z Z-tune 2003 468 PS 462 HP 1125 kg 0.4160 PS/kg FR
Nismo Skyline GT-R R-tune (R34) 1999 549 PS 541 HP 1404 kg 0.3910 PS/kg 4WD
Nismo 400R 1996 480 PS 473 HP 1395 kg 0.3441 PS/kg 4WD
Nissan Gran Turismo Skyline GT-R 2001 648 PS 639 HP 1404 kg 0.4615 PS/kg 4WD
Nissan GT-R Concept (TokyoShow) 2001 544 PS 537 HP 1404 kg 0.3875 PS/kg FR
Nissan R390 GT1 Road Car 1998 428 PS 422 HP 1062 kg 0.4030 PS/kg MR
Opera Performance Z 2004 420 PS 414 HP 1206 kg 0.3483 PS/kg FR
Opera Performance S2000 2004 328 PS 324 HP 837 kg 0.3919 PS/kg FR
Pagani Zonda C12 2000 471 PS 465 HP 1125 kg 0.4187 PS/kg MR
RUF BTR 1986 450 PS 444 HP 1062 kg 0.4237 PS/kg RR
RUF RGT 2000 436 PS 430 HP 1197 kg 0.3642 PS/kg RR
Shelby Series 1 Super Charged 2003 388 PS 383 HP 1081 kg 0.3589 PS/kg FR
Spoon Civic Type R (EK) 2000 260 PS 256 HP 738 kg 0.3523 PS/kg FF
Suzuki GSX-R/4 2001 210 PS 207 HP 576 kg 0.3646 PS/kg MR
Tommy Kaira ZZ-S 2000 232 PS 229 HP 621 kg 0.3736 PS/kg MR
Toyota Sprinter Trueno GT-APEX Shigeno 2000 252 PS 249 HP 742 kg 0.3396 PS/kg FR
TVR Griffith 500 1994 414 PS 408 HP 954 kg 0.4340 PS/kg FR
TVR Cerbera Speed Six 1997 424 PS 418 HP 1017 kg 0.4169 PS/kg FR
TVR Tamora 2002 420 PS 414 HP 954 kg 0.4403 PS/kg FR
TVR Tuscan Speed 6 2000 439 PS 433 HP 990 kg 0.4434 PS/kg FR
TVR T350C 2003 424 PS 418 HP 1068 kg 0.3970 PS/kg FR

Sports Cars B:
Amuse S2000 R1 2004 314 PS 310 HP 1008 kg 0.3115 PS/kg FR
ASL Garaiya 2002 240 PS 237 HP 720 kg 0.3333 PS/kg MR
Aston Martin DB7 Vantage Coupe 2000 510 PS 503 HP 1597 kg 0.3193 PS/kg FR
Audi RS6 Avant 2002 543 PS 536 HP 1692 kg 0.3209 PS/kg 4WD
Audi RS4 2001 460 PS 454 HP 1458 kg 0.3155 PS/kg 4WD
Audi RS6 2002 543 PS 536 HP 1656 kg 0.3279 PS/kg 4WD
BMW M Coupe 1998 385 PS 380 HP 1318 kg 0.2921 PS/kg FR
BMW M3 2004 412 PS 406 HP 1413 kg 0.2916 PS/kg FR
Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 (C4) 1990 457 PS 451 HP 1440 kg 0.3174 PS/kg FR
Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport (C4) 1996 402 PS 397 HP 1346 kg 0.2987 PS/kg FR
Chevrolet Silverado SST Concept 2002 594 PS 586 HP 2041 kg 0.2910 PS/kg FR
Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R 2000 445 PS 439 HP 1465 kg 0.3038 PS/kg FR
FPV GT 2004 471 PS 465 HP 1642 kg 0.2868 PS/kg FR
Honda NSX-R Concept 2001 346 PS 341 HP 1143 kg 0.3027 PS/kg MR
Honda NSX Type R 1992 346 PS 341 HP 1118 kg 0.3095 PS/kg MR
Honda NSX Type S Zero 1997 346 PS 341 HP 1143 kg 0.3027 PS/kg MR
Honda NSX Type S Zero 1999 346 PS 341 HP 1143 kg 0.3027 PS/kg MR
Honda Mugen S2000 2000 295 PS 291 HP 1127 kg 0.2618 PS/kg FR
Honda NSX Type R 2002 354 PS 349 HP 1143 kg 0.3097 PS/kg MR
Hyundai Clix 2001 364 PS 359 HP 1188 kg 0.3064 PS/kg 4WD
Infiniti FX45 Concept 2002 414 PS 408 HP 1350 kg 0.3067 PS/kg 4WD
Jaguar S-Type R 2002 486 PS 479 HP 1620 kg 0.3000 PS/kg FR
Jaguar XKR R-Performance 2002 472 PS 466 HP 1561 kg 0.3024 PS/kg FR
Jaguar XKR Coupe 1999 462 PS 456 HP 1476 kg 0.3130 PS/kg FR
Lotus Carlton 1990 457 PS 451 HP 1489 kg 0.3069 PS/kg FR
Lotus Elise 111R 2004 230 PS 227 HP 774 kg 0.2972 PS/kg MR
Mazda RX-7 Type RS (FD) 1998 349 PS 344 HP 1152 kg 0.3030 PS/kg FR
Mazda RX-8 Type S 2003 340 PS 335 HP 1179 kg 0.2884 PS/kg FR
Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (FD) 2000 352 PS 347 HP 1143 kg 0.3080 PS/kg FR
Mazda RX-8 Concept (Type-I) 2001 340 PS 335 HP 1080 kg 0.3148 PS/kg FR
Mazda RX-7 Type R Bathurst R (FD) 2001 352 PS 347 HP 1134 kg 0.3104 PS/kg FR
Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A (FD) 2002 356 PS 351 HP 1143 kg 0.3115 PS/kg FR
Mazda RX-8 Concept (Type-II) 2001 340 PS 335 HP 1080 kg 0.3148 PS/kg FR
Mazda RX-7 Type RS (FD) 2000 349 PS 344 HP 1152 kg 0.3030 PS/kg FR
Mercedes-Benz SL 600 (R230) 2004 598 PS 590 HP 1822 kg 0.3282 PS/kg FR
Mercedes-Benz CLK 55 AMG 2000 421 PS 415 HP 1458 kg 0.2888 PS/kg FR
Mercedes-Benz E 55 AMG 2002 570 PS 562 HP 1719 kg 0.3316 PS/kg FR
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII GSR 2001 382 PS 377 HP 1260 kg 0.3032 PS/kg 4WD
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII GSR 2003 385 PS 380 HP 1269 kg 0.3034 PS/kg 4WD
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR 1999 379 PS 374 HP 1224 kg 0.3096 PS/kg 4WD
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR Tommi Makinen Ed. 2000 379 PS 374 HP 1224 kg 0.3096 PS/kg 4WD
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII RS 2001 382 PS 377 HP 1188 kg 0.3215 PS/kg 4WD
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR GSR 2004 391 PS 386 HP 1260 kg 0.3103 PS/kg 4WD
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI RS Tommi Makinen Ed. 2000 379 PS 374 HP 1224 kg 0.3096 PS/kg 4WD
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution V GSR 1998 373 PS 368 HP 1224 kg 0.3047 PS/kg 4WD
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII RS 2003 384 PS 379 HP 1188 kg 0.3232 PS/kg 4WD
Nismo 270R 1994 324 PS 320 HP 1116 kg 0.2903 PS/kg FR
Nissan Skyline GT-R V-spec (R34) 1999 403 PS 397 HP 1404 kg 0.2870 PS/kg 4WD
Nissan Skyline GT-R V-spec II (R34) 2000 403 PS 397 HP 1404 kg 0.2870 PS/kg 4WD
Nissan Skyline GT-R M-spec II Nür (R34) 2002 408 PS 402 HP 1422 kg 0.2869 PS/kg 4WD
Nissan Skyline GT-R (R34) 1999 398 PS 393 HP 1386 kg 0.2872 PS/kg 4WD
Nissan Skyline GT-R V-spec II Nür (R34) 2002 409 PS 403 HP 1404 kg 0.2913 PS/kg 4WD
Nissan Skyline GT-R (R32) 1989 370 PS 365 HP 1287 kg 0.2875 PS/kg 4WD
Nissan Skyline GT-R M-spec (R34) 2001 403 PS 397 HP 1404 kg 0.2870 PS/kg 4WD
Nissan Gran Turismo Skyline GT-R (Pace Car) 2001 403 PS 397 HP 1404 kg 0.2870 PS/kg 4WD
Nissan Skyline GT-R (R34) 2000 398 PS 393 HP 1386 kg 0.2872 PS/kg 4WD
RUF 3400S 2000 372 PS 367 HP 1170 kg 0.3179 PS/kg MR
Spoon S2000 2000 330 PS 325 HP 990 kg 0.3333 PS/kg FR
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi Version(GD, Type-I) 2000 370 PS 365 HP 1287 kg 0.2875 PS/kg 4WD
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi Version II(GC) 1995 325 PS 321 HP 1116 kg 0.2912 PS/kg 4WD
Subaru Impreza Sport Wagon WRX STi Version VI (GF) 1999 344 PS 339 HP 1179 kg 0.2918 PS/kg 4WD
Subaru Impreza Sport Wagon STi (GG, Type-I) 2000 370 PS 365 HP 1287 kg 0.2875 PS/kg 4WD
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX Sti Version V (GC) 1998 339 PS 334 HP 1143 kg 0.2966 PS/kg 4WD
Subaru Impreza Premium Sport Coupe 22B-Sti Version (GC) 1998 352 PS 347 HP 1143 kg 0.3080 PS/kg 4WD
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi (GD, Type II) 2002 378 PS 373 HP 1296 kg 0.2917 PS/kg 4WD
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX Sti Version III(GC) 1996 336 PS 331 HP 1125 kg 0.2987 PS/kg 4WD
Subaru Impreza WRX STi Prodrive Style (GD, Type-I) 2001 370 PS 365 HP 1287 kg 0.2875 PS/kg 4WD
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX Sti Version VI (GC) 1999 346 PS 341 HP 1143 kg 0.3027 PS/kg 4WD
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi (GC) 1994 324 PS 320 HP 1107 kg 0.2927 PS/kg 4WD
Subaru Impreza Coupe WRXtypeR Sti Version VI (GC) 1999 346 PS 341 HP 1134 kg 0.3051 PS/kg 4WD
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi spec C (GD, Type II) 2004 391 PS 386 HP 1233 kg 0.3171 PS/kg 4WD
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX Sti Version IV (GC) 1997 338 PS 333 HP 1125 kg 0.3004 PS/kg 4WD
Toyota Supra RZ 1997 396 PS 391 HP 1359 kg 0.2914 PS/kg FR
Toyota Motor Triathlon Race Car 2004 319 PS 315 HP 1080 kg 0.2954 PS/kg 4WD
Trial Celica SS-II 2003 340 PS 335 HP 1026 kg 0.3314 PS/kg FF
TVR V8S 1991 290 PS 286 HP 945 kg 0.3069 PS/kg FR

Classic Cars (1900 - 1979)
The title sums it up.

A-Class to M-Class sections contains all other road cars (way too many to mention)
Or, as we could say at the moment: All cars driven by Diego

 

[Diego440]

hey, the way the list is right now gives me the benefit of the doubt as to which "place" I'd occupy... if we do it like that I'd be in 6th place to say the least

 

[Mr. Apex]

hey, the way the list is right now gives me the benefit of the doubt as to which "place" I'd occupy... if we do it like that I'd be in 6th place to say the least

Ummm... what? "The benefit of the doubt"?

As far as I see it you're ranked 6th place on the S2 leaderboard now and would be ranked 1th to 500th place in the A-Class to M-Class section if the board were to be broken down to sections.
In other words: You would be the undoubted king/ruler/overlord of the A-Class to M-Class section of the S2 Leaderboard!!! Let's show some self esteem, Diego! 👍

if we do it like that

"We" do nothing, my post is just a mere suggestion. It's up to AngelCreator if he wants to adopt the idea for his thread or not. All in all it would mean extra work for him.

 

[Gt3Emperor]

Hey, Mr Apex.....Good run in the Amuse on S2 tires, that's a sweet car to drive compared to the evil Cadillac and VW Nardo. I wish it did have a tad more power though.....I'm probably not going to be able to match your time, but I'll try. I really got frustrated with fighting this track on S2 tires with these crazy mad power cars.

I'll probably spend sometime in the S3 list simply because it's easier to keep the cars on the road....I'm pretty whimpy when it comes to Nurburgring.

I think I remember you from the GT3Times days....glad to see you're still racing.👍

 

[Mr. Apex]

Hey, Mr Apex.....Good run in the Amuse on S2 tires, that's a sweet car to drive compared to the evil Cadillac and VW Nardo. I wish it did have a tad more power though.....I'm probably not going to be able to match your time, but I'll try. I really got frustrated with fighting this track on S2 tires with these crazy mad power cars.

I'll probably spend sometime in the S3 list simply because it's easier to keep the cars on the road....I'm pretty whimpy when it comes to Nurburgring.

I think I remember you from the GT3Times days....glad to see you're still racing.👍

Thanks for the kind words and greetings to Southern Carolina!
Well, my bet is you might easily regain the S2 throne, since
a) my time is only a meager 119 milliseconds faster than yours, and
b) I've got less than 2 thirds of your experience at hand!

Alas, I have to say...
even though the Amuse GT1 makes the sweetest noise, has loads of downforce and traction, and a great power-to-weight ratio...
IMHO it would be so much faster if it had a little less turn-in understeer.

Maybe I'm just not capable of dealing with understeer... but Ari Vatanen has the same problem too
Here's how he describes it:

 

[Gt3Emperor]

Nice insightful video....those Rally driver's must be the bravest drivers in the world. There's no way I'd want to go flying through those narrow roads with rocks and trees lining the edges flat-out in any car. Especially an understeering or 'tight' car as the southern boys call it. Crazy!

That exactly what you get with most production cars on S2's at Nurburgring.....especially if you've got weak brakes along with it. I enjoyed driving the Amuse there, even with it's little quirks. Most of the other cars were very annoying and frustrating.

I was trying to run in the WRS again this week, but the car we're running is very much an understeering FF dog. Very unpleasant.

 

[Diego440]

You would be the undoubted king/ruler/overlord of the A-Class to M-Class section of the S2 Leaderboard!!!

I like the sound of that

 

[Mr. Apex]

Nice insightful video....those Rally driver's must be the bravest drivers in the world. There's no way I'd want to go flying through those narrow roads with rocks and trees lining the edges flat-out in any car. Especially an understeering or 'tight' car as the southern boys call it. Crazy!

Neither would I. Maybe what they're doing ISN'T really all that nuts if you take in account what enormous capabilities these finns have... they certainly know what they are doing. But still... must be quite stressful inside that helmet.

That exactly what you get with most production cars on S2's at Nurburgring.....especially if you've got weak brakes along with it. I enjoyed driving the Amuse there, even with it's little quirks. Most of the other cars were very annoying and frustrating.

My favourite prouction cars for the ring are the M3 CSL, the 2002 Turbo (when tuned to about 300 HP but with the original suspension setup... ), the Ruf Yellowbird, the Elise 111R and all NSX (certainly when tuned for more power).

I was trying to run in the WRS again this week, but the car we're running is very much an understeering FF dog. Very unpleasant.

Sounds like torture. Someone should start a WRS series where only nicely balanced and stupidly "loose" cars are used...

I like the sound of that

Heh heh... knew you would!

 

[AusBoyRacer]

then within every list according to tyre, it should be organized by car

Naah I like the way it is now because it is easy to read and it is interesting to see who can get better times in 'less capable' cars then other people in 'more capable' cars, but just if everyone noted whether or not they used driving aids because it does greatly alter the final time(especially on such a long course), there has been a couple of suggestions mentioned and I would like everyone to post up with their opinion towards this.

Personally I feel that my suggestion of posting the abbreviation in green or gold. Green if they were NOT used and gold if they WERE used and written like this: ASM/TCS
(gold because it is easier to see on the screen then yellow )

Just remember to delete the space in between the '[COLOR=' 'green]'(and likewise for gold) otherwise the colors will not change.

Say both driving aids WERE NOT used, the code would be as follows:
[COLOR= green]ASM[/color]/[COLOR= green]TCS[/color] e.g. ASM/TCS

Say both driving aids WERE used, the code would be as follows:
[COLOR= gold]ASM[/color]/[COLOR= gold]TCS[/color] e.g. ASM/TCS

Say Active Stability Management WAS NOT used but Traction Control System WAS, the code would be as follows:
[COLOR= green]ASM[/color]/[COLOR= gold]TCS[/color] e.g. ASM/TCS

Say Active Stability Management WAS used but Traction Control System WAS NOT, the code would be as follows:
[COLOR= gold]ASM[/color]/[COLOR= green]TCS[/color] e.g. ASM/TCS


I feel that displaying the use of the driving aids this way clearly displays whether or not the driver used them or not at a quick glance without making the leaderboard look untidy.

Please let me know what you guys think, I would love to start this up so we can distinguish clearly and quickly who used driving aids on their run and who did not but it can only happen if there is enough positive feedback! so Speak Out!

 

[alrivers]

I like the gold and green idea

 

[Mr. Apex]

I feel that displaying the use of the driving aids this way clearly displays whether or not the driver used them or not at a quick glance without making the leaderboard look untidy.

Please let me know what you guys think, I would love to start this up so we can distinguish clearly and quickly who used driving aids on their run and who did not but it can only happen if there is enough positive feedback! so Speak Out!

Hmmm... I generally like the idea, AusBoyRacer. How about some constructive critizism: gold and green?!?

Not the optimal choice IMHO.
1) It ain't intuitively clear which is on and which is off.
2) Gold gives mediocre contrast on the light grey background. Hard to read.
What would you say to this alternative color scheme here:

ASM/TCS
ASM/TCS

silver = off
Red = active

This would be more unmistakeable IMHO. And it would look a little bit like in the game, where the TCS indicator blinks red when the system is engaged. What do you think?

 

[AusBoyRacer]

I like the gold and green idea

Cheers, Appreciate it

Hmmm... I generally like the idea, AusBoyRacer. How about some constructive critizism: gold and green?!?

Not the optimal choice IMHO.
1) It ain't intuitively clear which is on and which is off.
2) Gold gives mediocre contrast on the light grey background. Hard to read.
What would you say to this alternative color scheme here:

ASM/TCS
ASM/TCS

silver = off
Red = active

This would be more unmistakeable IMHO. And it would look a little bit like in the game, where the TCS indicator blinks red when the system is engaged. What do you think?

Yes, That could work, just that the grey isn't as clear as the red also.. but it does look smart. the two colour go together well.
I was just trying to work with close to primary colours that weren't already being used.
What other colours does the HTML code allow?
I don't really know alot of the HTML stuff so some suggestions with some well contrasting, easy on the eyes colours would be a great help!

What about Green/Red

P.S. I think part of the reason I went for the green and gold was because green wasnt being used, gold was still different from dark orange but easier to read then yellow. + Im Australian and I just like those colours alot when they are put together Hahaha.

 

[jimeez]

make it simple guys, use a color if you used the aids and leave it blank if you didn't. just list the aid used.

 

[Diego440]

make it simple guys, use a color if you used the aids and leave it blank if you didn't. just list the aid used.

Exactly what I was going to say

Anyway,

6'53.885 - -Diego- - Toyota Celica Wedssport Race Car '03 - R3
7'01.996 - -Diego- - Honda S2000 Race Car '01 - R3 -- Easy car to hate on the 'ring... changes direction suddenly and without warning

7'35.752 - -Diego- - Lotus Esprit Sport 350 '00 - S2
7'47.624 - -Diego- - Mercedes Benz E55 AMG '02 - S2
7'49.619 - -Diego- - Nissan 350Z '03 - S2
7'54.399 - -Diego- - Honda NSX Type S '99 - S2
7'54.529 - -Diego- - Audi RS6 '02 - S2
7'55.995 - -Diego- - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI RS TME '00 - S2
8'22.557 - -Diego- - Chevrolet Camaro Z28 302 '69 - S2
8'44.170 - -Diego- - Mitsubishi FTO GR '97 - S2
8'47.300 - -Diego- - Nissan Silvia Varietta '00 - S2
8'53.002 - -Diego- - Citroën C5 '03 - S2

 

[AngelCreator]

Wow, I can't get on for a day and look at all of these ideas.

Here's a suggestion, AngelCreator: It would be possible to divide each of the Leaderboard into three or more sections/subdivisions to break things a bit down, like this, for example:

Classes could be divided like this, for example (More or less as they do it on http://db.gtrp.de/ the database of the german forum):

"We" do nothing, my post is just a mere suggestion. It's up to AngelCreator if he wants to adopt the idea for his thread or not. All in all it would mean extra work for him.

Although I do like the idea(alot), it would take some time(which I can have sometimes).
I know the N2 and R3 leaderboard would not be too hard right now, but S2 could
take alot of time. But if you guys think it would be a good thing to have and make the
leaderboard that much better I can do it. I will work on the leaderboard offline so
I will have a little more time.

IDEA: We could post ASM/TCS in a certain colour depending on whether they are used or not like green for off and yellow for on?

Personally I feel that my suggestion of posting the abbreviation in green or gold. Green if they were NOT used and gold if they WERE used and written like this: ASM/TCS

I feel that displaying the use of the driving aids this way clearly displays whether or not the driver used them or not at a quick glance without making the leaderboard look untidy.

Please let me know what you guys think, I would love to start this up so we can distinguish clearly and quickly who used driving aids on their run and who did not but it can only happen if there is enough positive feedback! so Speak Out!

Not the optimal choice IMHO.
1) It ain't intuitively clear which is on and which is off.
2) Gold gives mediocre contrast on the light grey background. Hard to read.
What would you say to this alternative color scheme here:

ASM/TCS
ASM/TCS

silver = off
Red = active

This would be more unmistakeable IMHO. And it would look a little bit like in the game, where the TCS indicator blinks red when the system is engaged. What do you think?

Yes, That could work, just that the grey isn't as clear as the red also.. but it does look smart. the two colour go together well.
I was just trying to work with close to primary colours that weren't already being used.
What other colours does the HTML code allow?
I don't really know alot of the HTML stuff so some suggestions with some well contrasting, easy on the eyes colours would be a great help!

What about Green/Red

And this is another good, but it will be as hard as changing the leaderboard for
the cars. But everyone seems they want it alot, so I will work on it.

And I thank everyone for the ideas and inputs.
I will get to work on all of this, but as the last few days have been busy I don't
know when it will be done.

Thanks again,
James

Edit:
Ok I have updated the leaderboard, and I was thinking about the ASM/TCS thing.
If I did do that I think I would do it like this,

8'01.xxx - AngelCreator - Suzuki GSX-R/4 '01 - N2 - ASM/TCS

Red shows that both ASM and TCS were off, and Green would be used if they were on.
This of course would add alot of coding, and people would have to tell me what times
where using eather, and all of the new time would have to have this as well.
I can do this if you guys want, but I would add this after I get the leaderboard setup
with the new layout. But from what I have seen you guys don't mind waiting a bit.

 

[Diego440]

Dang! I was hoping I didn't have to update it all... I liked the idea of putting them /TCS/ASM) only if they were used... but anyway, I didn't use them in any of the cars, neither in the N2, S2 or R3 board.

 

[AngelCreator]

Well the idea with ASM/TCS is still that, an idea. I did start to work on the leaderboard
with the car list, not to hard because after a set time all of the cars go to a different
leaderboard. I will keep you updated on have it's going.

 

[AusBoyRacer]

Thank you James, for all ther time and effort you put into this leaderboard and having the will and motivation to actually take our ideas and put them into action I really appreciate it and i am sure other people do aswell, Your doing and awesome job

This is definately one thread that I will check up on and include myself in regularly.

At the moment, I am striving for 100% game completion, which means doing the rest of the dreaded endurance races.. but I will try to do an endurace race, then run a few times for the leaderboard and then endurance, then leaderboard etc etc.

I cannot find the Amuse GT1 under the Amuse garage in arcade mode could someone give me some clues??

Thanks guys

 

[Diego440]

I cannot find the Amuse GT1 under the Amuse garage in arcade mode could someone give me some clues??

Thanks guys

You have to buy it in Simulation Mode for it to be available in Arcade Mode.

Once bought, you can find it under Japan > Amuse... oh, and on the endurances, I did them all in B-spec.