Nurburgring Nordschleife PP Board - Car/Tune Submissions.

[CSLACR]

I don't even understand what they did.
Notable mentions without any real similarity:
Z06 RM jumped about 50HP @ 600PP
ZR1 unchanged
ACR dropped from 600 to 593PP.
Toyota Altezza TC dropped from 507iirc to 453!!! (It's faster than from the shootout spec @ 453 now)
HSV dropped to 597 stock (from 603) with full aero
Castrol Supra 97 (and a bunch of torquey JGTC cars) dropped from 615 to 592PP
Fairlady Z '08 from 500 to 469PP

I don't get it... What's the common denominator here?

 

[XDesperado67]

I don't even understand what they did.
Notable mentions without any real similarity:
Z06 RM jumped about 50HP @ 600PP
ZR1 unchanged
ACR dropped from 600 to 593PP.
Toyota Altezza TC dropped from 507iirc to 453!!! (It's faster than from the shootout spec @ 453 now)
HSV dropped to 597 stock (from 603) with full aero
Castrol Supra 97 (and a bunch of torquey JGTC cars) dropped from 615 to 592PP
Fairlady Z '08 from 500 to 469PP

I don't get it... What's the common denominator here?

No common denominator and my 600PP GT500 Lambo which was already probably the slowest GT500 car is unchanged at 600PP.
As I've said already they haven't made the PP system more equitable but instead have made it even more unbalanced.👎👎

 

[Johnnypenso]

No common denominator and my 600PP GT500 Lambo which was already probably the slowest GT500 car is unchanged at 600PP.
As I've said already they haven't made the PP system more equitable but instead have made it even more unbalanced.👎👎

Obviously they didn't just implement a brand new formula for PP and apply it to all cars because all FF's are unchanged as far as I know and many other cars are unchanged as well, but the adjustments to certain cars are kind of wild and unexplainable. Cars that needed adjusting were left alone, and others that didn't need boosting, got huge boosts. It almost seems like they went through and picked and chose which cars to boost and which to leave alone and then threw darts at a dart board as to how much the adjustment was. Bizarre.

 

[XDesperado67]

So one of the cars that got a huge change to PP was the Altezza/IS200 family.
Now a IS200 '98 fully upgraded including all weight reduction and a rear wing set to 20 has 423PP. With a very sloppy lap due in part to understeer caused by the unneeded wing I got a 8:12.581 on SH tires. Remember I only managed an 8:17.146 in my 450PP Hommell.

 

[mike_gt3]

I now run the G37 concept '04 at 485pp, and beat the BMW CSL at 505pp...

i hope they will re-work that, fast.

 

[praiano63]

I now run the G37 concept '04 at 485pp, and beat the BMW CSL at 505pp...

i hope they will re-work that, fast.

Yes Mike, they have to. Even a little unfair for some cars like it was, we knew the overated ones.
PD have to ear our voices ,all together and come back at least till they fix a better PP fairness.

 

[praiano63]

07:09.395 -ASTON MARTIN VANQUISH '04 - 500PP/SM -NEW (Praiano)

My faster car the Elise 111R was at 7:15.

This aston Martin with 500PP reach now 310kmh in the straight.

 

[CSLACR]

I had already been making one and they threw me about 50HP yesterday, so
I'll add the tune when I get it posted.

I'm updating the OP today to the 2.10 line, and then I'll give it at least 30 days to make sure this new PP stuff is sticking around.
If the update stays put, I guess we'll just mix them.
If the update turns out to be experimental, and we start seeing PP system changes "regularly" then I think we'll have to forget about having a board. :/

 

[esoxhntr]

Yeah, its not even fun to drive, one straight line and the race is over.

just notice your psn is osprey hehe, seen you a lot in those races, your Silverado looked quick in straight line today.

Yeah Doug the difference is huge with some cars, the IS-F is also a lot different now. before update i was hitting 282kmh on the ring, now 314kmh (505pp..)

Yes I was trying oddball cars that had a big drop in PP to see how competitive they'd be.

The Tacoma was even quicker and it tops out at 503 pp (~690HP / ~1360 kgs or so). It may even out accelerate the Supra but obviously loses out on the top end. Neilson was propably pulling his hair out when he'd pass me in the corners in the CSL and I'd immediately blow (and I literally mean it) by his CSL as soon as we got on the gas out of the corner.

I fully expect another patch soon to 'fix the fix'.

 

[Lambob]

It was fun to watch you blast past my Italia 458 in your Supra RZ last night, Mike, hehe, you came out of nowhere to pass me some 80km/hr faster, on the long uphill section. (Kesselchen)

nice try at your 6:41 (With 10s crash at the end) I am sure you can hit 6:29s with it.

Don't show the people at Ferrari, this replay. They might revoke the licence from PD.

 

[Johnnypenso]

06:23.045 -Chevrolet Corvette Z06 '06 RM - 600PP/RH - NEW (CSLACR)

I had already been making one and they threw me about 50HP yesterday, so
I'll add the tune when I get it posted.

I'm updating the OP today to the 2.10 line, and then I'll give it at least 30 days to make sure this new PP stuff is sticking around.
If the update stays put, I guess we'll just mix them.
If the update turns out to be experimental, and we start seeing PP system changes "regularly" then I think we'll have to forget about having a board. :/

Whether they patch it or not with a 2.11 is up in the air. I had a few cars on the go and ready to post but I'm not going to put any time into this until I see how it plays out. I'll guess though that I don't think they'll change it at all, I think it will stay the way it is and many of the old tunes will be obsolete as a result.

 

[CSLACR]

I don't think it renders many tunes obsolete, it just changes the build. My Corvette RM would be roughly identical in tune even if it didn't get a 50hp bump.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I don't think it renders many tunes obsolete, it just changes the build. My Corvette RM would be roughly identical in tune even if it didn't get a 50hp bump.

Obsolete in two senses. In practical terms, as the tune sits now, it's out of date. If you bolt on the parts and set it up the way it stands the PP will be out of whack, so to remain relevant it needs to be updated in terms of specifics but also to handle what could be an additional 100hp or more.

In relative terms, it changes alters the landscape in terms of PP based tunes. If for example, the 2.10 was the PP setup from the beginning, PP racing could have been dominated by crappy handling, heavily front weighted, big sedans. Massive efforts would have been spent finding ways to make them handle and there would be hundreds of tunes for them and not the NSX's, S2000's, RX7/8's/Elises etc. But if some of those current preferred cars cannot keep up to the best of the best in their class, and are getting blown away, then their relevance is diminished and they are shoved to the back shelf and pointless in anything but a one make type of race.

 

[praiano63]

Just another insane example. My Aston Martin DB7 Vantage coupe '00 is
7:39.xxx for 450PP . It's 440hp for 1450 kg
My best car was the 111R at 7:45.xxx
No way to base on PP anymore. I think we can do one thing at least ,we can create ourself a list of vehicle for example cars that make the ring in 3 or 5 seconds of difference of total lap time.
With this list, people can race online with cars that can compete between each others fairly.
So much people race on the ring that now to have a fair way to race , or you'll have to race monotype or like this. No more with Performance points.

We just have to make together a list of cars, tune them in their optimum range of PP (there is always one where the car is better than another) or tune the same car at diferrent range and take the average laptime of everybody to define this groups of cars that can fairly race together.
This is the only way to make this. Just taking this out of PD .

 

[Johnnypenso]

Just another insane example. My Aston Martin DB7 Vantage coupe '00 is
7:39.xxx for 450PP . It's 440hp for 1450 kg
My best car was the 111R at 7:45.xxx
No way to base on PP anymore. I think we can do one thing at least ,we can create ourself a list of vehicle for example cars that make the ring in 3 or 5 seconds of difference of total lap time.
With this list, people can race online with cars that can compete between each others fairly.
So much people race on the ring that now to have a fair way to race , or you'll have to race monotype or like this. No more with Performance points.

We just have to make together a list of cars, tune them in their optimum range of PP (there is always one where the car is better than another) or tune the same car at diferrent range and take the average laptime of everybody to define this groups of cars that can fairly race together.
This is the only way to make this. Just taking this out of PD .

Things may go that way in terms of finding group of cars to race but I doubt it. Most online hosts do very little if any actually managing of rooms, they just set the parameters then race and pay little attention to what's happening on the track. I doubt if many of them will police and list cars that can run and can't run. It's a lot of work for little reward for the host.

 

[praiano63]

Just for the information, this is not a time submissionOne more insane 600PP
CHEVROLET CORVETTE C5-R (C5) '00 -600pp - RACING HARD TIRES -
6:13.390.
Not even a hot lap, just a racing cruising lap first try.

GAME OVER

 

[mike_gt3]

It was fun to watch you blast past my Italia 458 in your Supra RZ last night, Mike, hehe, you came out of nowhere to pass me some 80km/hr faster, on the long uphill section. (Kesselchen)

nice try at your 6:41 (With 10s crash at the end) I am sure you can hit 6:29s with it.

Don't show the people at Ferrari, this replay. They might revoke the licence from PD.

Yeah it was a LOT faster on the straight! hehe i did 8:18 on the 24h nurb with it on a not so bad lap.
Would been great if they just chosen cars that really needed some more power to keep up with the faster car. But something went really wrong it seems

For board like this its really irritating when they keep changing the physic or PP system all the time, i hope they will fix this and then add tracks and cars instead of playing with physic.. and if they want to improve something, theres plenty of engine sounds to work on.

 

[CSLACR]

06:23.045 - Chevrolet Corvette Z06 RM '06 - 600PP/RH - NEW (CSLACR)

Chevrolet Corvette Z06 RM @ Nurburgring

No Chassis Rigidity - Install Sports ECU, & Catalytic converter
567/1125/600 - PL to 600PP (95.4%)

Aero:
35/40
Ballast:
35 @ 40(rear)

Transmission:
Reset to default (after mods installed)
Set top speed slider to minimum
Set final gear to 2.300
4.137
3.200
2.450
1.940
1.570
1.320

LSD:
8/17/5

Suspension:
12/12
9.2/11.3
6/4
4/7
3/3

Camber/Toe:
2.0/2.5
0.00/-0.10

BB: 5/1 (or 5/2)
ABS: 1

Comments:

 

[CSLACR]

07:55.052 - Honda Mugen Motul Civic Si Race Car '87 - 450PP/SH - NEW (CSLACR)

Mugen Motul Civic @ Nurburgring

Stock - No Chassis Rigidity
228/890/450 - PL to 450PP (98.0%)

Aero:
15/5
Ballast:
0 @ 0

Transmission:
Reset to default (after mods installed)
Set top speed slider to minimum
Set final gear to 2.700
3.766
2.850
2.220
1.777
1.470

LSD:
8/15/5

Suspension:
-18/7
7.7/4.4
4/5
6/3
3/1

Camber/Toe:
2.4/0.0
-0.27/-0.27

BB: 3/4
ABS: 1

Comments:

 

[CSLACR]

Nissan Fairlady Z '08 @ Nurburgring

No Chassis Rigidity - Full weight reduction + Sports Cat & Semi-racing exhaust
333/1249/450 - PL to 450PP (89.2%)

Aero:
N/A
Ballast:
0 @ 0

Transmission:
Reset to default (after mods installed)
Set top speed slider to 124 (2 right from minimum)
Set final gear to 2.500
3.900
3.040
2.400
1.930
1.590
1.350

LSD:
8/16/5

Suspension:
10/-15
7.9/10.7
7/4
4/7
3/3

Camber/Toe:
2.0/2.0
0.00/-0.04

BB: 5/2
ABS: 1

Comments:

 

[Johnnypenso]

You forgot the laptime on that one CSL:idea:

 

[CSLACR]

Naw, I just didn't get a clean one and eventually lost ambition. I'll give it another go sometime in the next few days.

 

[danbojte]

Nissan Fairlady Z '08 @ Nurburgring

No Chassis Rigidity - Full weight reduction + Sports Cat & Semi-racing exhaust
333/1249/450 - PL to 450PP (89.2%)

But not Window...

 

[praiano63]

06:10.834 - CHEVROLET CORVETTE C5-R (C5) '00 - 600PP/RH - NEW (PRAIANO)
TUNE

One of the most unfair car in the game at 600PP .
No chance for the other cars that will stay far behind but the car is freat to drive and can compete against normals 650PP easy.

 

[praiano63]

07:23.076 - PLYMOUTH CUDA 440 SIX PACK - 500PP/SM - NEW (PRAIANO)
TUNE.

This is the time of a good 500PP car, now you can race against the BMW M3 with this legendary muscle car.
This is one of the few positive points of the 2.10 update.

 

[CSLACR]

06:36.699 - Nissan Loctite Zexel GT-R '00 - 550PP/SS - NEW (CSLACR)


Nissan Loctite Zexel GT-R '00 - 550PP

No Chassis Rigidity - High RPM Turbo
544/1140/550 - PL to 550PP

Aero:
35/40
Ballast:
40 @ 0

Transmission:
Reset to default (after mods installed)
Set top speed slider to minimum
Set final gear to 2.050
4.250
3.250
2.530
2.000
1.610
1.340

LSD:
8/15/5

Suspension:
-2/-4
14.3/14.8
5/5
7/7
4/4

Camber/Toe:
1.7/1.3
0.00/0.00

BB: 5/2
ABS: 1

Comments: Definitely going to tweak this with the ballast on the rear, this was originally a base tune, and I hadn't noticed the imbalance of the car stock. (56/44) I think.
* I should note though that it drove nicer than any standard GT500 I can recall to date at this spec. HSV with less grip nice.

 

[CSLACR]

Ferrari F430 '06 - 550PP

No Chassis Rigidity - Full weight reduction, ECU, Sports catalytic converter, Racing exhaust
473/1210/550 - PL to 550PP(86.9%)

Aero:
N/A
Ballast:
2 @ 50(rear)

Transmission:
Reset to default (after mods installed)
Set top speed slider to minimum
Set final gear to 3.000
3.890
2.950
2.300
1.840
1.500
1.295

LSD:
8/17/5

Suspension:
5/-5
9.1/12.4
7/4
5/7
3/3

Camber/Toe:
1.8/2.2
+0.05/-0.15

BB: 5/2
ABS: 1

Comments: Ferrari's are awesome to drive at Laguna Seca and Motegi, jus sayin.

 

[lldantell]

Ferrari F430 '06 - 550PP

No Chassis Rigidity - Full weight reduction, ECU, Sports catalytic converter, Racing exhaust
473/1210/550 - PL to 550PP(86.9%)

Aero:
N/A
Ballast:
2 @ 50(rear)

Transmission:
Reset to default (after mods installed)
Set top speed slider to minimum
Set final gear to 3.000
3.890
2.950
2.300
1.840
1.500
1.295

LSD:
8/17/5

Suspension:
5/-5
9.1/12.4
7/4
5/7
3/3

Camber/Toe:
1.8/2.2
+0.05/-0.15

BB: 5/2
ABS: 1

Comments: Ferrari's are awesome to drive at Laguna Seca and Motegi, jus sayin.

Where's your time

 

[praiano63]

07:09.388 -PONTIAC GTO 5.7 COUPE '04 - 500PP/SM -NEW (Praiano)
TUNE

Very good car to race against the vanquish... nice battle, same time.

 

[praiano63]

07:31.144 -PONTIAC SOLSTICE COUPE CONCEPT '02 - 450PP/SH -NEW (Praiano)
TUNE

One more 2.10 Mutant.