Obama Presidency Discussion Thread

[Joey D]

I still highly doubt that consider he himself admitted he is computer illiterate. How can someone in this day and age try to run a country while not knowing about the computer? And even better how can one have technology policies (i.e. Net Neutrality)?

Source:
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/1884558/6206369

Like I said, I know people who have far greater disabilities then McCain and they have no problem typing. They aren't fast but they can do it. He just seems unwilling to be "progressive"...but really I should not expect anything different from the Republican party.

 

[YSSMAN]

There are two problems with that:

1. The attitude that Foolkiller discussed above is why we only ever have two parties, so it isn't like that by default.
   
2. You'll note that the two political parties that the country had in the first few elections no longer exist, so clearly things can change.

Its both an attitude and a system problem in our country, so I will concede on both points. However, speaking of parties that have disappeared, they're actually still here, they just changed names and swapped platforms over the years.

 

[FoolKiller]

God save us.

Out of all the people that live in america the best they come up with is mcain and palin!?

It could be worse. It could be Obama and Biden...oh wait.

 

[Omnis]

It could be worse. It could be Obama and Biden...oh wait.

The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.

Smart guy that Quigley was.

 

[Solid Fro]

I still highly doubt...

Even with facts, you still doubt.

There is no hope for you.

On a side note:

 

[Joey D]

Even with facts, you still doubt.

There is no hope for you.

I showed you a video in which McCain himself admits he is computer illiterate, that seems like pretty solid facts to me when it comes from the candidates mouth. But I forgot, anything that goes against McCain you seem to dismiss as the other person being ignorant or not knowing what they are talking about. So tell me this, did McCain, in that video, not say he was computer illiterate?

 

[forza2.0]

That's incorrect. Here's a Forbes article about McCain's 2000 campaign and technology:

In certain ways, McCain was a natural Web candidate. Chairman of the Senate Telecommunications Subcommittee and regarded as the U.S. Senate’s savviest technologist, McCain is an inveterate devotee of email. His nightly ritual is to read his email together with his wife, Cindy. The injuries he incurred as a Vietnam POW make it painful for McCain to type. Instead, he dictates responses that his wife types on a laptop. “She’s a whiz on the keyboard, and I’m so laborious,” McCain admits.

http://www.forbes.com/asap/2000/0529/053_print.html

Painful for him to type? Why exactly?

And there is software available that will allow you to write documents without actually typing.

 

[FoolKiller]

Painful for him to type? Why exactly?

And there is software available that will allow you to write documents without actually typing.

The guy can't even lift his arms properly to salute the flag, I am sure it probably bothers him.

Maybe it is just as someone who physically cannot use anything other than my index finger on my left hand without severe effort and discomfort, and so chooses to rarely use his left hand in typing, I can understand this concept. My physical limitations are far from McCain's, but when he mentions something like this it immediately clicks in my mind.


And while, yes, speech to text software exists, it is far from perfect. If they ever get it correct I will let you know, because it will mean that I had to fire most of my department at work.

Omnis, I definitely like that Quigley guy. Isn't there some stipulation in American law for enabling the American people to replace the government and start over again?


I still support the idea I found on the Libertarian Party of Kentucky site that says ballots should have a "none of the above" option and if it gets a majority then a new election is begun and none of the current candidates can participate. I imagine that at the end of it we would have a Washington full of Mr. Smiths who Fillibuster unconstitutional bills by reading the entire constitution.

 

[Omnis]

Painful for him to type? Why exactly?

And there is software available that will allow you to write documents without actually typing.

One of the more popular torture methods used was the forcing of bamboo splints under the subject's fingernails. And, of course breaking fingers back had to have been common as well.

Omnis, I definitely like that Quigley guy. Isn't there some stipulation in American law for enabling the American people to replace the government and start over again?


I still support the idea I found on the Libertarian Party of Kentucky site that says ballots should have a "none of the above" option and if it gets a majority then a new election is begun and none of the current candidates can participate. I imagine that at the end of it we would have a Washington full of Mr. Smiths who Fillibuster unconstitutional bills by reading the entire constitution.

I said Quigley was smart, but I sure don't like him. Bill Clinton thanked only his mother and Quigley in his speech when he became President. I think that says enough about the guy. To use an MGS analogy, he would be akin to The Patriots.

But, yeah, I totally agree on the None of The Above. That would be awesome and hopefully it would eliminate voter apathy and the media-run horse race for the White House.

 

[Solid Fro]

Quigley knew it was the will of The Patriots, the JD AI, that Clinton became president of the United States. Not because of Right/Left politics, but to keep the social and economic balances in check.

On a side note, Saturday Night Live's Palin/Clinton skit:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/34465/saturday-night-live-palin--hillary-open

 

[Omnis]

Quigley knew it was the will of The Patriots, the JD AI, that Clinton became president of the United States. Not because of Right/Left politics, but to keep the social and economic balances in check.

The chosen one who would bring balance to the force, you say? I guess we're still waiting for a Luke Skywalker.

 

[Tornado]

Mark Hamill has nothing better to do.

 

[Solid Fro]

mmmhmm, Obama Waffles!

It tastes great with W Ketchup.

 

[Tornado]

I know I shouldn't laugh, but I do find that funny.

 

[YSSMAN]

On a side note, Saturday Night Live's Palin/Clinton skit:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/34465/saturday-night-live-palin--hillary-open

I was watching MSNBC during lunch and a McCain Campaign Spokeswoman described the sketch as "sexist." To be fair, they were popping-shots at both sides on that one, and it was pretty funny. With McCain being such a friend of the SNL program, its odd that his campaign would have such an issue with it. Oh well...

BTW: Its almost scary how similar Tina Fey and Gov. Palin look, and I really hope that she makes it a reoccurring character.

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In other "Breaking News," it just came across the wire that Sarah Palin will not be meeting with investigators from the "Troopergate" issue back in Alaska. Its interesting that they're already labeling it as "tainted," despite the issue with the investigation being a bi-partisan issue, in a Republican-controlled legislature. Adding to the oddity, Palin hasn't been subpoenaed, and probably won't be.

 

[Solid Fro]

I was watching MSNBC during lunch and a McCain Campaign Spokeswoman described the sketch as "sexist." To be fair, they were popping-shots at both sides on that one, and it was pretty funny. With McCain being such a friend of the SNL program, its odd that his campaign would have such an issue with it. Oh well...

Carly Fiorina is not a campaign spokeswoman. She is McCain's top economic advisor. I thought the skit was funny, that's why I posted it. I don't see it as sexist, not one bit. However, she has her own opinion.

 

[OZZYGT]

I showed you a video in which McCain himself admits he is computer illiterate, that seems like pretty solid facts to me when it comes from the candidates mouth. But I forgot, anything that goes against McCain you seem to dismiss as the other person being ignorant or not knowing what they are talking about. So tell me this, did McCain, in that video, not say he was computer illiterate?

He's just another troll. Don't even mind him, it's like talking to a 72 year old man who won't even remember what he said before and say another completely different thing after...(see McCain)

Just the fact that he trusts a website article more than the candidate's mouth itself, should make you see that it is a complete waste of time to argue with him.

 

[Solid Fro]

He's just another troll. Don't even mind him, it's like talking to a 72 year old man who won't even remember what he said before and say another completely different thing after...(see McCain)

Just the fact that he trusts a website article more than the candidate's mouth itself, should make you see that it is a complete waste of time to argue with him.

New York Times, July 13th, 2008:

Q: What websites if any do you look at regularly?

Mr. McCain: Brooke and Mark show me Drudge, obviously, everybody watches, for better or for worse, Drudge. Sometimes I look at Politico. Sometimes RealPolitics, sometimes.



(Mrs. McCain and Ms. Buchanan both interject: “Meagan’s blog!&#8221



Mr. McCain: Excuse me, Meagan’s blog. And we also look at the blogs from Michael and from you that may not be in the newspaper, that are just part of your blog.



Q: But do you go on line for yourself?



Mr. McCain: They go on for me. I am learning to get online myself, and I will have that down fairly soon, getting on myself. I don’t expect to be a great communicator, I don’t expect to set up my own blog, but I am becoming computer literate to the point where I can get the information that I need – including going to my daughter’s blog first, before anything else.



Q: Do you use a blackberry or email?



Mr. McCain: No



Mark Salter: He uses a BlackBerry, just ours.



Mr. McCain: I use the Blackberry, but I don’t e-mail, I’ve never felt the particular need to e-mail. I read e-mails all the time, but the communications that I have with my friends and staff are oral and done with my cell phone. I have the luxury of being in contact with them literally all the time. We now have a phone on the plane that is usable on the plane, so I just never really felt a need to do it. But I do – could I just say, really – I understand the impact of blogs on American politics today and political campaigns. I understand that. And I understand that something appears on one blog, can ricochet all around and get into the evening news, the front page of The New York Times. So, I do pay attention to the blogs. And I am not in any way unappreciative of the impact that they have on entire campaigns and world opinion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/u..._r=2&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin


Oh, let's see how the Obama campaign spin this:



Those on the Left do not realize that a person who cannot use a keyboard because it is painful just might be considered computer illiterate compared to people who have full use of their arms.

I have been recently reminded of what I told my political science teacher during the 2004 elections. In the light of the fake Killian documents, I told my professor that if the Democrats continue to attack President Bush on irrelevant things like the fake documents or question his National Guard service, the Democrats will lose the election.

My teacher thanked me for participating and being so well up to date. Maybe Democrats will need one of these this time around:

Hmmm, on a side note:

Loudonville, NY. Seven weeks until Election Day, the race for President has tightened in New York, with Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) leading Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) 46-41 percent among likely voters, according to a new Siena (College) Research Institute poll released today. Obama’s five point lead is down from eight points in August, 13 points in July and 18 points in June, when he led 51-33 percent. On a series of six questions concerning current issues in the campaign – economy, Iraq, terrorism, health care, America’s position in the world, and education – likely voters believe Obama will do a better job on four. Conversely, out of six attributes voters often look at in choosing a candidate – compassion, patriotism, experience, intelligence, integrity, and leadership – New York’s electorate gives the edge to McCain on four.

“Although New York has long been regarded as a ‘safe’ state for the Democrats in presidential politics, likely voters in the Empire State are currently only giving Senator Obama a five-point cushion,” said Steven Greenberg, spokesman for the Siena New York Poll. “The conventions are over. The running mates are set. And as voters begin to focus on the race, New York’s overwhelming Democratic enrollment advantage is not reflected in how voters tell Siena they plan to vote.”

http://www.siena.edu/level2col.aspx?menu_id=562&id=19322

Obama's next attack: I have more friends on Myspace than John McCain!

 

[Joey D]

Once again I'll ask the question, did McCain not say he was computer illiterate in that video I posted?

In fact he said "I'm an illiterate who has to rely on my wife for all the assistant I can get."

Even in the NY Times article he alludes to being illiterate in the very article you posted.

They go on for me. I am learning to get online myself, and I will have that down fairly soon, getting on myself. I don’t expect to be a great communicator, I don’t expect to set up my own blog, but I am becoming computer literate to the point where I can get the information that I need – including going to my daughter’s blog first, before anything else.

I honestly can not bring myself to vote for someone who is clueless on the computer when in this day and age everything is done on one. It shows an ignorance I can help but think will carry over into other things with McCain.

 

[livemusic]

He doesn't have to know how to use a computer, he has people to do that for him. I don't think it's such a big deal and I wouldn't change my vote because of it. It's not my main concern when voting for president.

 

[Joey D]

We live in a very technologically based world and it will only get more technologically integrated as time goes on. If McCain gets voted in, he will be there for at least four years. Think about how far computers will advance in that time, even more so over eight years. Eventually more and more policies will be made regarding the internet whether right, wrong, or indifferent. Our political leaders should know what they are attempting to control.

This is not the sole reason of why I won't vote for McCain or even the sole reason why I more or less despise the man, but it adds to it all.

 

[Tornado]

Not being physically able to do something is different from not knowing anything about it.

 

[Joey D]

Not being physically able to do something is different from not knowing anything about it.

Except he himself says he doesn't know how to use a computer. As I've said I know people who are physically disable who can use the computer, although not well. Typing takes them a long time and they use a mouse in a weird way, but they still know basic computer knowledge. Hell there is even a blind girl in one of my classes that uses her laptop to take notes, which seem like a huge disability to me.

 

[Solid Lifters]

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Our political leaders should know what they are attempting to control.

They've been getting away with it so far.

*zing*

 

[Solid Fro]

Once again I'll ask the question, did McCain not say he was computer illiterate in that video I posted?

In fact he said "I'm an illiterate who has to rely on my wife for all the assistant I can get."

Even in the NY Times article he alludes to being illiterate in the very article you posted.

I honestly can not bring myself to vote for someone who is clueless on the computer when in this day and age everything is done on one. It shows an ignorance I can help but think will carry over into other things with McCain.

He doesn't have to know how to use a computer, he has people to do that for him. I don't think it's such a big deal and I wouldn't change my vote because of it. It's not my main concern when voting for president.

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There are so many videos like that on You Tube. They will never see the light of day on the Mainstream Media.

 

[Joey D]

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[Omnis]

Lol @ war propaganda. News flash: the Iraqi "liberation" has been over for a couple years now. Remember "Mission Accomplished"? Occupation is not freedom.

 

[V1P3R]

I like how McCain blamed Corporate greed on how the market is and vowed to stop it... Go Republicans

 

[YSSMAN]

Its not just that Senor Viper, its that he is blaming the heads of corporations who are "overpaid" for many of the problems, and claims that it needs to be ended to fix our current situation. For someone who says that regulation is the problem, does anyone else find this funny?

Oh, and by the way:

John McCain invented the Blackberry.

...Please, someone, wake me up and tell me its all a dream...