Obama Presidency Discussion Thread

[Solid Lifters]

Hi, I'm Knife Pile Palin. What's your name?

http://politsk.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah_13.html

 

[Pupik]

Moxie Crimefighter Palin.

(Okay, not really.)

 

[Sage]

There’s an intercap in there – CrimeFighter.

Officer, we’re on the same side – my middle name is CrimeFighter!

 

[Pupik]

If I can't trust the supermarket tabloids to spell things right, what can I trust?

 

[Touring Mars]

Just wanted to see what all you guys think of this...

I'm no expert on economics but even I understood that - it is a shame that someone as experienced and as knowledgable as Ron Paul will probably be trounced by both Obama/Biden and McPain/Palin... a shame indeed that Palin's selection seems to be motivated by a bizarre kind of logic that practically rewards inexperience and a lack of knowledge because it makes them more like Joe Q Public... but as an article in The Guardian pointed out, however, "average" is simply not good enough - not for the top office in the US, anyway. Ron Paul would probably get my vote, which given his distinctly surprising views on Intelligent Design, is really saying something...

 

[FoolKiller]

it is a shame that someone as experienced and as knowledgable as Ron Paul will probably be trounced by both Obama/Biden and McPain/Palin...

I fail to see how that is a shame, considering he isn't on the ballot.

That said, it is a shame that he lost to John McCain in the Republican Primary.

The only way he could become president in this election is by some crazy write-in movement.

That doesn't mean he isn't still around.

 

[Touring Mars]

Could he not stand as an independent? (not that that would make much sense...)

 

[FoolKiller]

Could he not stand as an independent? (not that that would make much sense...)

It would be a bit tricky for him to officially switch parties, as he is still an active Congressman under the Republican party representing the 14th district of Texas.
http://www.house.gov/paul/

For me right now the closest thing to Dr. Paul is Bob Barr.

 

[Omnis]

I fail to see how that is a shame, considering he isn't on the ballot.

That said, it is a shame that he lost to John McCain in the Republican Primary.

The only way he could become president in this election is by some crazy write-in movement.

That doesn't mean he isn't still around.

Write-ins don't count in a lot of states. I'm still stuck between Baldwin and Barr. Ron Paul endorsed Chuck Baldwin in his latest press release. Barr snubbed the "3rd parties, 4 points" press conference, so I think that had a lot to do with it.

 

[Sage]

Baldwin’s a crazy man though (you can just tell from the surname! )… he seems to have a lot of hatred towards women, gays, and atheists.

 

[Omnis]

Baldwin’s a crazy man though (you can just tell from the surname! )… he seems to have a lot of hatred towards women, gays, and atheists.

Hatred? No, I wouldn't say that. The only thing I don't like about him is that he's so concerned with closing the border. I wish he showed the same level or more enthusiasm for removing economic incentives for illegals to come and leech our system in the first place.

 

[Solid Fro]

Hi, I'm Knife Pile Palin. What's your name?

http://politsk.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah_13.html

Don't mess with Log Justice Palin.

 

[YSSMAN]

Could he not stand as an independent? (not that that would make much sense...)

He could have, but he has noted quite frequently that he is committed to remain a member of the Republican party and champion the ideals of true Republicans. As I recall, Bob Barr gave Ron Paul the offer to be his running mate after he nominated his current VP choice (which I found odd), but obviously, Paul turned him down.

At least in my opinion, I'd prefer to have someone like Mike Bloomberg on the ticket, running for whatever party he chooses.

 

[Solid Fro]

Finally, a positive ad. All the others are just red meat. It's McCain's second best ad, yet.

 

[Joey D]

Ya, fix wall street through socialism...hooray for bail outs!

 

[YSSMAN]

What the hell was that? He didn't talk about the issues at all, he just said that hes going to change things.

Change what? His stance on economic issues completely? Hooray socialism indeed!

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Washington is broken...John McCain knows it.

 

[YSSMAN]

Not to mention the fact that he is losing conservative support, particularly with major conservative leaders like George Will.

Conservatives who insist that electing McCain is crucial usually start, and increasingly end, by saying he would make excellent judicial selections. But the more one sees of his impulsive, intensely personal reactions to people and events, the less confidence one has that he would select judges by calm reflection and clear principles, having neither patience nor aptitude for either.

It is arguable that, because of his inexperience, Obama is not ready for the presidency. It is arguable that McCain, because of his boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes, is not suited to the presidency. Unreadiness can be corrected, although perhaps at great cost, by experience. Can a dismaying temperament be fixed?

Whoops, there goes the choir!

 

[Solid Fro]

...he just said that hes going to change things.

aaahaahahahahahahahaahahahahahahhhahahahhhaaaa!

Seriously, I don't expect anyone to explain their plan within 30 seconds. If you really wanted to know what his plan is, you can check out his radio address on johnmccain.com. I'm just glad that it wasn't a negative ad. Even I am tired of going through Obama's garbage, gaffes, and "present" votes. Oh, and what great timing! The first debate is this friday.

 

[McLaren]

What the hell was that? He didn't talk about the issues at all, he just said that hes going to change things.

Change what? His stance on economic issues completely? Hooray socialism indeed!

Seeing as you're an Obama supporter, I'm surprised you didn't feel right at home with that, then.

 

[Vasco]

aaahaahahahahahahahaahahahahahahhhahahahhhaaaa!

Seriously, I don't expect anyone to explain their plan within 30 seconds. If you really wanted to know what his plan is, you can check out his radio address on johnmccain.com. I'm just glad that it wasn't a negative ad. Even I am tired of going through Obama's garbage, gaffes, and "present" votes. Oh, and what great timing! The first debate is this friday.

He could at least offer some sort of brief description of what he would do instead of wasting time by just talking about his opponent negatively for having a solution which only involves "talking"

 

[Bones Brigade]

Baldwin’s a crazy man though (you can just tell from the surname! )… he seems to have a lot of hatred towards women, gays, and atheists.

luckily the constitution party will never attract much attention. A Christian government doesn't quite sound like freedom to me.

 

[FoolKiller]

What the hell was that? He didn't talk about the issues at all, he just said that hes going to change things.

Change what? His stance on economic issues completely? Hooray socialism indeed!

Taken out of context and I wouldn't know which candidate you are talking about.



On a side note: With the recent power outages and a company dinner last night I have gotten in coversations with other managers that I usually only see in meetings. I have now discovered that at least two other managers in my company are Libertarian. One of them even made a comment about how a vote for Bob Barr is probably like a vote for Obama, but he is willing to take that risk if it means standing by his principles, and possibly even getting rid of the two-party system which is responsible for the problems in this country.

 

[Omnis]

luckily the constitution party will never attract much attention. A Christian government doesn't quite sound like freedom to me.

I'll never understand why people think that voting a pastor into office means establishing a theocracy. You should be more ashamed that a President doesn't or wouldn't get impeached.

It doesn't matter whether the CP will attract attention. There's something called a vote of no confidence.

 

[Danoff]

Taken out of context and I wouldn't know which candidate you are talking about.

Having not seen the McCain ad, I actually did think he was talking about Obama.

On my own side note: I was discussing the various bad options with my wife last night and we both came to the realization that we agree more with the democrats than the republicans. We both used to be adamant members of the republican party and would describe ourselves as socially liberal and fiscally conservative. These days the republicans are socially conservative and fiscally liberal. At least the democrats get most of the social stuff right, even if they're out in left field (right next to Bush and co) on economics. I've only got a couple of issues left where I agree with the republicans - guns being the big one.

 

[FoolKiller]

I'll never understand why people think that voting a pastor into office means establishing a theocracy. You should be more ashamed that a President doesn't or wouldn't get impeached.

It doesn't matter whether the CP will attract attention. There's something called a vote of no confidence.

Instead of trying to explain it again, I will just requote my post from the last time this came up.....in....this.....thread.

While Baldwin himself has not made any religious comments I notice he is also not offering up his opinions on issues that the Constitution Party itself quotes the Bible as part of their platform.

The Constitution Party makes a definite statement about marriage on their Web site.

The law of our Creator defines marriage as the union between one man and one woman. The marriage covenant is the foundation of the family, and the family is fundamental in the maintenance of a stable, healthy and prosperous social order. No government may legitimately authorize or define marriage or family relations contrary to what God has instituted. We are opposed to amending the U.S. Constitution for the purpose of defining marriage.

I like this: No government can define marriage, unless it agrees with the Bible.

Then they somehow try to argue for stricter regulations on pornography based on a First Amendment argument, that I don't get (something about restricting obscenity to defend the 1st amendment) , because it "distorts God's intent."

And when it comes to drugs they support states' rights.....to ban them. They support legislation to stop them. I wonder what their stance on states' rights is if a state decides to legalize them.


I wonder where Baldwin stands on these issues, but they are missing from his Issues page on his Web site. It is as if he knows the religious issue is a contentious one that hurts the party and is avoiding the issues that the party uses religion to defend. As a pastor, I can only assume he agrees.

To sum up, The Constitution Party has some definite religious leanings, and Bones Brigade did not directly attribute his issue with Baldwin so much as he did the party. And as Baldwin is part of the party, and a pastor, even if you did assume that about him it is a legitimate assumption to make.

I've only got a couple of issues left where I agree with the republicans - guns being the big one.

And McCain is probably the least likely Republican for you to agree with on that issue.

 

[YSSMAN]

On my own side note: I was discussing the various bad options with my wife last night and we both came to the realization that we agree more with the democrats than the republicans. We both used to be adamant members of the republican party and would describe ourselves as socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

It sounds as though you're experiencing what most of my otherwise Republican family is going through. What I'd like to call "sane" Republicanism has been pushed out of the party, and we're left with the Democrats, something that none of us could have ever imagined actually voting for.

Crazy times indeed.

 

[FoolKiller]

and we're left with the Democrats, something that none of us could have ever imagined actually voting for.

Weird, I found at least two others that I would vote for before a Democrat.

 

[Sage]

I would rather write-in “Mickey Mouse” than vote Democrat. And I’m not even joking.

 

[Danoff]

I would rather write-in “Mickey Mouse” than vote Democrat. And I’m not even joking.

Seconded.

But if I had to choose between McCain and Obama - which I don't - I had thought that I would choose McCain. I'm not sure that's the case.

Keep in mind that I absolutely loathe Obama's policies. He'd be an awful choice. Given the choice between him and a random person (this is not a joke), I'd probably take the random person. But the republicans are in the midst of bringing to pass some of the very same idiotic policies that I hear from Obama. So if the socialism is the same for both parties, which one do I agree with more? The democrats.

Obama would be horrible. McCain would also be horrible. All I can say is that at least it's not Hillary.