Obama Presidency Discussion Thread

How would you vote in the 2008 US Presidential Election?

  • Obama-Biden (Democrat)

    Votes: 67 59.3%
  • McCain-Palin (Republican)

    Votes: 18 15.9%
  • Barr-Root (Libertarian)

    Votes: 14 12.4%
  • Nader-Gonzales (Independent-Ecology Party / Peace and Freedom Party)

    Votes: 5 4.4%
  • McKinney-Clemente (Green)

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Baldwin-Castle (Constitution)

    Votes: 7 6.2%
  • Gurney-? (Car & Driver)

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Other...

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    113
  • Poll closed .
That was the most frightening one, indeed, but nowhere in the article does it mention "terrorist," "Arab," "Muslim," etc. being unfounded. And those are obviously untrue, plenty significant, certainly out of line, and deserving of McCain and Palin saying so. The point Touring Mars is trying to make remains accurate. And who says conservatives aren't supplementing their allegations with stuff like that, too? Not that I can find a specific example to satisfy your desire for hard evidence to back up every statement you disagree with, although I'm sure someone else could.

"Terrorist" and "Muslim" are also unfounded. The only one that was true was "Arab", which I posted a video to.

I'll wait for your hard evidence.

Why did you bring up Joey D's picture, anyway? As far as I know, he's moderate, not liberal, and of course that sign exists. Not that it was necessarily written with racism in mind (although I think it is), but if not, then certainly with the "poor people are all criminals" attitude. It's negative, stereotypical, and prejudiced either way.

Liberals are creating things out of thin air all of a sudden. I thought the picture was a clear example. There was nothing racist about the sign posted on the vehicle, yet the commenter claimed otherwise.
 
Ah yes, let us make assumptions about my political affiliation :rolleyes:. You are saying false information and I would appreciate it if you did not make assumptions like that. My political beliefs are my political beliefs.
 
I'm sorry. :guilty: I think of "moderate" as one who prefers not to take sides, and normally you don't, from what I've seen (e.g. "I support creatalutionism").

Solid Fro, I seem to be unable to locate the source of your claim that "terrorist" and "Muslim" are also made up. :confused:

Really, though, it's best if I leave this thread to all of you political experts. Someone else with more credentials and respect will inevitably make the points I'm trying to make, and more clearly too.
 
I'm sorry. :guilty: I think of "moderate" as one who prefers not to take sides, and normally you don't, from what I've seen (e.g. "I support creatalutionism").

No worries, it wasn't directed at you, my apologies.
 
Someone Better Look Into The Attacks Against Pro-Obama Protesters

Thu, 16 Oct 2008 (Boston Globe) Two Obama supporters told police they were kicked and harrassed when they expressed anti-McCain sentiments at a Sarah Palin rally in Laconia, N.H. By Scott LaPierre,...

http://multimedia.boston.com/pub/m/21214222...

I don't think "unfounded" is the case when they have physical evidence, and for that matter, a whole lot more to lose by stating it as such against something that may not have occurred. I do hope someone is looking into this...

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RE: Joey

Sorry that you're getting the flak like that. I had a discussion with my Mom tonight about the sign and she said the same things we did, I really think that if you're not from the state, you're not going to see it for what its worth. People will be voting on race this November, I don't care where you are. But when its that blatant, especially when most of the racism is pretty understated in our state, it sticks out like a sore thumb.

...As far as your political beliefs are concerned, its your right not to discuss them, and its inappropriate for Solid to poke at you about it. I'm happy to say that I still consider myself a Republican despite my more liberal leanings on social issues, and certainly on some of the economic issues. The problem at hand is that I should be leaving the Republican party, but to quote the man himself, "The Republican party left me."
 
...As far as your political beliefs are concerned, its your right not to discuss them, and its inappropriate for Solid to poke at you about it.

I would suppose the US Presidential Election 2008 thread would not be the most appropriate thread to post in if you are not willing to discuss your political beliefs, would it?

I respect the person who takes a stand and says what they believe in.

As for the Obama supporters who just happen to wander into a Palin rally...

BOO ****ING HOO YOU LITTLE BABIES!

You know what they were there to do and it wasn't to support Sarah Palin. When Liberals get challenged and beaten, they cry and piss bloody murder. The two "men" in the video (I use the term men loosely) got whooped by a "65-year old lady". Amazing, isn't it?

I would like to see what the Liberal guy's sign read. It got cut off by the faux letter boxing on the video. Sarah you got your...? hmmm.
 
I would suppose the US Presidential Election 2008 thread would not be the most appropriate thread to post in if you are not willing to discuss your political beliefs, would it?

I believe the title of this thread is US Presidential Election 2008, not what is your political beliefs. I'm willing to talk about some things but I don't think it's any of your business in the end who I vote for or what party they belong to. I vote for someone based on how they will affect me and how well their values and beliefs are like my own.

The election is a very important part of our country, and as an American I think it's my duty to do research and pick the person I feel is the best for the job, hence why I post in this thread. You don't have to share what political party you belong to to discuss politics.

When Liberals get challenged and beaten, they cry and piss bloody murder.

Conservatives do the exact same thing, especially when abortion or anything dealing with God is involved. There are extremes on both sides of the fence.

And to my knowledge this is a free country and you are allowed to peacefully demonstrate, I'm pretty sure our Constitution say that. As long as the Obama supporters weren't doing anything violent themselves they had every right to be there and to express their opinion. The people who kicked them deserve to be charged with aggravated assault.
 
And to my knowledge this is a free country and you are allowed to peacefully demonstrate, I'm pretty sure our Constitution say that. As long as the Obama supporters weren't doing anything violent themselves they had every right to be there and to express their opinion. The people who kicked them deserve to be charged with aggravated assault.

I thought it was great that we had people coming out against both the McCain and Obama visits here in Grand Rapids a few weeks ago, and although there are always outliers in any event, most of them just come to hold up a sign and attempt to make their opposite viewpoint heard.

The difference is that when you're at an Obama rally and you're called a "baby killer" by the anti-abortion people who roam around, we don't resort to violence. These two guys here used their right to protest against Palin (rightfully so, I would too) and instead were physically beaten by the people at a Republican rally. Democrats may use firm rhetoric against them, but I have little reason to believe that a fight would break out at an Obama rally.

RE: Uneducated Voters

Its going to happen anywhere, any time, with any demographic, and to that end we've had to learn just to accept it. If only the overly informed people were voting, that wouldn't do much for a representative democracy, would it? Yes, its appalling that people can't name this person or that person, but perhaps the problem comes down to the educational system in this country, and for that matter, the terrible coverage we see of major issues by the media on a daily basis. No one person is going to be perfect on knowing everything, and while I'm doing my best to understand who I'm voting for on the immediate local level, its hard enough just understanding the differences between my drain commissioners.

Either way, in my opinion, its important to vote. To that end, I think its wonderful that so many young people have registered and have become active in the political discussion today. Whether or not that will have a positive outcome on our elections, well, we'll have to wait and see.
 
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RE: Uneducated Voters

Its going to happen anywhere, any time, with any demographic, and to that end we've had to learn just to accept it. If only the overly informed people were voting, that wouldn't do much for a representative democracy, would it? Yes, its appalling that people can't name this person or that person, but perhaps the problem comes down to the educational system in this country, and for that matter, the terrible coverage we see of major issues by the media on a daily basis. No one person is going to be perfect on knowing everything, and while I'm doing my best to understand who I'm voting for on the immediate local level, its hard enough just understanding the differences between my drain commissioners.

Either way, in my opinion, its important to vote. To that end, I think its wonderful that so many young people have registered and have become active in the political discussion today. Whether or not that will have a positive outcome on our elections, well, we'll have to wait and see.

I'm with Stossel all the way on this. People who have not taken the time to get informed should stay home on election day. If you don't care enough to understand what you're voting for, then you don't need to be heard.

While I'm sure it's not the case, I hope some people voluntarily stay out of issues that they know nothing about. I have abstained from voting due to lack of knowledge in the past, and I hope that others can understand why that is important.

Sometimes it's very difficult to be knowledgeable about what is being voted on. If I'm asked to choose between J. Gonzales and H. Gonzales for local judge, I'll try to find information about them online and do what I can to be informed. But if I fail, I'll leave it up to others to decide which of those two should be judge. I've refrained from voting on propositions when I couldn't find enough information as well.

This is why people like political parties. It makes it easy for them to determine who they think they favor. They'll go into the voting booth and vote party line all the way down - but that's not a very informed way to approach voting. I've refused to vote for libertarians, for example, due to lack of sufficient resume for the position.

I don't think people take voting seriously enough, and I think that celebrities with their message of "just vote" belittles the importance of making an informed decision.
 

Maybe instead of separating voters from non-voters by an assumed mature age, we should require any person who can spell the word "politician" a "voting aptitude test" to gauge their political intelligence. Or their idiocy, depending on if you're a happy person or not.

Then once that works (because it would) we can apply it to everything, just to make sure that 14 year-old kart racer is allowed to drive and the 31 year-old mom-on-the-phone is not. Don't forget about the 94 year-old if-I-were-about-to-die-I'd-go-ten-under-also.
 
Here's John Stossel's awesome 20/20 piece titled, "John Stossel's Politically Incorrect Guide To Politics."

I wish this was the buzz of the nation instead of SNL.











 
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I just watched those videos with my dad. He was bitching and moaning that he didn't want to watch political crap but it turns out that the old man was bobbing his head and agreeing with all the regular, smart, correct people that were talking and telling the truth. I think he now better understands why I'm going to look into the future when I vote for the libertarian party this year. I need the government to spend smartly and protect me from the commies, and that's about it. Myself and me fellow Americans can handle everything else.
 
I had forgotten that Palin was going to be on SNL; i'm glad i didn't try to get my hopes up for that. She did absolutely nothing. Why not dance like the puppet she is made out to be? I'm disappointed.
 
Stossel is always on point, and I love seeing my man from Cato featured prominently. This election season has been more frustrating than ever - watching people drink the kool-aide. Never before have I seen so little difference between the two major parties, but it seems people actually care which one they get. People seem even MORE excited that president Bush is going to be out of office. I'm not convinced it will change anything. McCain and Obama sound practically identical to me, and they both sound like Bush. I'm sure all 3 have differences on foreign policies, but this race is about domestic policies - and on that they seem to agree... more government.
 
I think stossel is the last investigative journalist on TV, or perhaps in all of big media. Otherwise they're extinct.
 
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[…] I think that celebrities with their message of "just vote" belittles the importance of making an informed decision.
Oh God do I hate that. I puked a little in my mouth when I first saw that stupid video. BTW, you might want to take a look at the first result when you Google “penn crackle vote against” (I’m not directly linking because I can’t remember if he curses – he drops F- and C-bombs in some of his videos).
 
I just wish there was someone I could get behind in the whole bunch. US politics is quite painful these days.

You can say that again.... 10 months later and still in the same boat.
 
CNN.com
Colin Powell endorses Obama

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell announced Sunday that he will be voting for Sen. Barack Obama, citing the Democrat's "ability to inspire" and the "inclusive nature of his campaign."

"He has both style and substance. I think he is a transformational figure," Powell said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"Obama displayed a steadiness. Showed intellectual vigor. He has a definitive way of doing business that will do us well," Powell said.

Powell, a retired U.S. general and a Republican, was once seen as a possible presidential candidate himself.

Powell said he questioned Sen. John McCain's judgment in picking Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate because he doesn't think she is ready to be president.

He also said he was disappointed with some of McCain's campaign tactics, such as bringing up Obama's ties to former 1960s radical Bill Ayers.

Powell served as secretary of state under President Bush from 2001 to 2005.

The notion of a Powell endorsement has been rumored for several months.

On August 13, Powell's office denied a report on Fox by commentator Bill Kristol that Powell had decided to publicly back Obama at the Democratic National Convention.

Several sources said at the time that Powell had not made a decision about a possible endorsement.

"As always, he is holding his cards close and waiting for more information," one adviser told CNN's John King in August.

Powell himself brushed off queries on any potential presidential nod but told ABC News on August 13 that he would not be going to Denver, Colorado, for the convention.

"I do not have time to waste on Bill Kristol's musings," he said. "I am not going to the convention. I have made this clear."

In February, Powell told CNN's Wolf Blitzer that he was weighing an endorsement of a Democratic or independent candidate.

"I am keeping my options open at the moment," Powell said.

"I have voted for members of both parties in the course of my adult life. And as I said earlier, I will vote for the candidate I think can do the best job for America, whether that candidate is a Republican, a Democrat or an independent," he added.

Powell has offered praise for Obama, calling him an "exciting person on the political stage."

"He has energized a lot of people in America," said Powell, who briefly weighed his own run for the White House in the mid-1990s. "He has energized a lot of people around the world. And so I think he is worth listening to and seeing what he stands for."

Powell's adviser has said that "he likes and admires John McCain, and that would be a factor in anything he does if he decides to get more involved."

Another source close to Powell said he has known the Republican nominee for more than three decades "and likes him and is looking for a reason to vote for him. He hasn't found it yet."

The former general, who has largely steered clear of politics since leaving the Bush administration, noted that the next president will need to work to restore America's standing in the world.

Powell gave the keynote address at the Republican National Convention in support of George W. Bush in 2000.

"I will ultimately vote for the person I believe brings to the American people the kind of vision the American people want to see for the next four years," he said. "A vision that reaches out to the rest of the world, that starts to restore confidence in America, that starts to restore favorable ratings to America. Frankly, we've lost a lot in recent years."

Powell's adviser also said at the time that the vice presidential picks for both candidates would be a major factor in his decision, both for the quality of each man's running mate and for what sort of "signal that choice sends about the character and judgment of the candidate."

He also said that a Powell decision to back Obama would not be a surprise.

Interesting to say the least.
 
I´ve been watching on FOX in Spain and I can´t help thinking if Joe The Plumber didn´t exist, Mccain´s speeches would be considerably shorter, didn´t he mention him something like 22 times 2 days back?
 
Damn, Huck has his own show now? It pays to pander. Also, that grub from Canada makes me sick. State worship, lol.

Someone hasn't been watching Fox News. It's a popular show and I like it quite a bit.

I´ve been watching on FOX in Spain and I can´t help thinking if Joe The Plumber didn´t exist, Mccain´s speeches would be considerably shorter, didn´t he mention him something like 22 times 2 days back?

Joe the Plumber wouldn't exist if Obama didin't give his "spread the wealth" answer to Joe about his business. McCain didn't mention him 22 times, both Obama and McCain mentioned him a considerable amount in the last debate. I believe 26 was the official number.
 
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