Obama Presidency Discussion Thread

How would you vote in the 2008 US Presidential Election?

  • Obama-Biden (Democrat)

    Votes: 67 59.3%
  • McCain-Palin (Republican)

    Votes: 18 15.9%
  • Barr-Root (Libertarian)

    Votes: 14 12.4%
  • Nader-Gonzales (Independent-Ecology Party / Peace and Freedom Party)

    Votes: 5 4.4%
  • McKinney-Clemente (Green)

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Baldwin-Castle (Constitution)

    Votes: 7 6.2%
  • Gurney-? (Car & Driver)

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Other...

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    113
  • Poll closed .
*Powell Endoresement Article*

Interesting to say the least.

Most-definitely. This is a clear demonstration of intellectual GOP members moving away from the party that has come under what appears to be complete control by the neo-cons. The best thing that we can hope for is a "Centrist" movement with conservative Democrats and progressive Republicans who can govern the country adequately for the next couple of years. His endorsement should be ringing clearly for a while, and truth be told, I don't think it could have come at a better time.

I just wish he'd do some campaigning these last two weeks...
 
I've always liked Colin Powell and I know many other people who have as well. He is defiantly a rather influential person to sway voters, well more so then celebrities since he actually knows what's going on it politics and understands how they work. I am waiting to see the cries of people saying he's only endorsing Obama because of skin colour. I have to imagine that will be in full swing by tomorrow.

And apparently he still considers himself a Republican, which is interesting:

CNN.com
Reporter: Are you still a Republican?

Powell: Yes.

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/19/powell.transcript/index.html#cnnSTCText

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Apparently McCain enjoys being the underdog in this race, which for the life of me can not figure out why.

CNN.com
McCain: 'I love being the underdog'

Sen. John McCain said Sunday he's "very happy" with the way his campaign is going, despite his "underdog" status in the polls.

"We're going to be in a tight race and we're going to be up late on election night. That's just -- I'm confident of that. I've been in too many campaigns, my friend, not to sense that things are headed our way," McCain said Sunday on Fox News.

Sen. Barack Obama leads McCain by 6 points, according to CNN's latest average of national polls.

"I love being the underdog. You know, every time that I've gotten ahead, somehow I've messed it up," the Republican candidate said.

Asked if Gov. Sarah Palin has become a drag on his ticket, McCain said, "As a cold political calculation, I could not be more pleased."

"She has excited and energized our base. She is a direct counterpoint to the liberal feminist agenda for America. She has a wonderful family. She's a reformer. She's a conservative. She's the best thing that could have happened to my campaign and to America," he said.

In response to a question from Fox's Chris Wallace, McCain said he has considered the possibility that he could lose, but added, "I don't dwell on it."

"I've had a wonderful life. I have to go back and live in Arizona, and be in the United States Senate representing them, and with a wonderful family, and daughters and sons that I'm so proud of, and a life that's been blessed," he said.

"I'm the luckiest guy you have ever interviewed and will ever interview. I'm the most fortunate man on earth, and I thank God for it every single day."

McCain said if things don't turn out his way on Election Day, "Don't feel sorry for John McCain, and John McCain will be concentrating on not feeling sorry for himself."

CNN's latest poll of polls shows Obama drawing 49 percent of voters nationwide, while McCain stands at 43 percent.

The 6-point lead represents no change from a CNN poll of polls released late last week, though it is 2 points smaller than one week ago.

The national poll of polls consists of three surveys: Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby (October 15-17), Gallup (October 15-17) and Diageo/Hotline (October 15-17). It does not have a sampling error.

Obama on Sunday was campaigning in North Carolina, a once reliably Republican state in presidential contests that is now up for grabs.

The last Democratic presidential candidate to win North Carolina was Jimmy Carter in 1976. The most recent CNN/Time Magazine/Opinion Research Corporation poll in the state has the contest deadlocked at 49 percent for each candidate.

At his event in Fayetteville, Obama shot back at McCain, who has hinted that he thinks his rival's policies are "socialist." Read what McCain said

In his interview with Fox on Sunday, McCain said, "I think his plans are redistribution of the wealth. ... That's one of the tenets of socialism. But it's more the liberal left, which he's always been on."

Obama brushed off the charge Sunday, saying he just wants to give the middle class a tax cut.

"John McCain thinks that giving these Americans a break is socialism. Well, I call it opportunity, and there is nothing more American than that," Obama said Sunday.

Obama's campaign events come on the heels of a big endorsement from Colin Powell, the former secretary of state.

"I think he is a transformational figure, he is a new generation coming onto the world stage, onto the American stage, and for that reason I'll be voting for Sen. Barack Obama," Powell said as he announced his endorsement Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press."

McCain on Sunday was campaigning in Ohio, the state that put President Bush over the top in his re-election bid four years ago.

The Arizona senator had rallies scheduled in Westerville and Toledo, Ohio.

The most recent CNN poll of polls in Ohio suggests that 47 percent of voters there are backing Obama and 46 percent are supporting McCain.
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As for the running mates, Palin on Sunday had a rally scheduled in New Mexico, a state that narrowly went for President Bush four years ago.

Democratic vice-presidential nominee Joe Biden was holding a campaign rally in Tacoma, Washington, on Sunday. Recent polls in that state suggest Obama has a 10 point lead there.

Although I still wonder how accurate the polls are, I mean I know there is a lot of math that goes into it but it still makes me wonder.
 
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Although I still wonder how accurate the polls are, I mean I know there is a lot of math that goes into it but it still makes me wonder.

Just look at the top of the page to see how accurate polls are.
 
I am waiting to see the cries of people saying he's only endorsing Obama because of skin colour. I have to imagine that will be in full swing by tomorrow.

I point you towards tonights special edition of Hardball. Pat Buchanan already made the accusation, which was written off pretty quickly by the other conservative commentators later. I'm under the impression the main charge will be over Powell leaving his party that has apparently "given him so much" at a time when "they need him."

I can't fault Powell for what he has done, he laid out his reasons nicely, and in the end makes an interesting choice for endorsement that could have major effects on the election.

And apparently he still considers himself a Republican, which is interesting

Just to point it out, while I may be voting for Senator Obama, I still consider myself to be a Republican as well. Supporting a candidate of the opposite party doesn't mean that you've left them outright, but more or less, that you're beginning to disagree with the direction of your party altogether. Powell represents those positions clearly when he uses reason and logic to cut down the rhetoric of the McCain campaign, and to that end, hopefully brings in other undecided Independents, conservative Democrats, and certainly more of the Republican masses that have been displaced by the poor choices of the party.
 
I point you towards tonights special edition of Hardball. Pat Buchanan already made the accusation, which was written off pretty quickly by the other conservative commentators later. I'm under the impression the main charge will be over Powell leaving his party that has apparently "given him so much" at a time when "they need him."

I can't fault Powell for what he has done, he laid out his reasons nicely, and in the end makes an interesting choice for endorsement that could have major effects on the election.

Lame. I hate how the skin colour issue is being played by both sides this election. Honestly skin colour has zero affect on how people are or how good they will be as a leader.


Just to point it out, while I may be voting for Senator Obama, I still consider myself to be a Republican as well. Supporting a candidate of the opposite party doesn't mean that you've left them outright, but more or less, that you're beginning to disagree with the direction of your party altogether. Powell represents those positions clearly when he uses reason and logic to cut down the rhetoric of the McCain campaign, and to that end, hopefully brings in other undecided Independents, conservative Democrats, and certainly more of the Republican masses that have been displaced by the poor choices of the party.

I suppose you are right, I suppose I've crossed party lines more then once in elections. This sort of shows how mixed up the GOP is though when a very well known member crosses party lines.
 
The faces of the Obama supporter.

Westerville, Ohio. October 19, 2008

McCain supporters were treated to Obama revelers as they filed into the Rike Center at Otterbein College. The screaming at McCain supporters was nearly nonstop for about two hours before the rally...

http://hourglass1941.blogspot.com/
 
Black Worked With Rove On South Carolina Primary Where "Allegations About McCain Surfaced." The Baltimore Sun reported, "Charlie Black, a longtime Republican strategist and informal Bush adviser who has worked alongside Rove, said Rove is "willing to play tough and hard on issues." Black, who worked with Rove in the 2000 South Carolina primary, where the allegations about McCain surfaced, said Rove "never did anything out of bounds."

From an article entitled Genius or Nerd, Rove was key to the GOP win in the Baltimore Sun, published on 7 November 2004.

The Boston Globe
Having run Senator John McCain's campaign for president, I can recount a textbook example of a smear made against McCain in South Carolina during the 2000 presidential primary. We had just swept into the state from New Hampshire, where we had racked up a shocking, 19-point win over the heavily favored George W. Bush. What followed was a primary campaign that would make history for its negativity.

It didn't take much research to turn up a seemingly innocuous fact about the McCains: John and his wife, Cindy, have an adopted daughter named Bridget. Cindy found Bridget at Mother Theresa's orphanage in Bangladesh, brought her to the United States for medical treatment, and the family ultimately adopted her. Bridget has dark skin.

Anonymous opponents used "push polling" to suggest that McCain's Bangladeshi born daughter was his own, illegitimate black child.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ed...s/2004/03/21/the_anatomy_of_a_smear_campaign/

John McCain now employs Black, a man who almost certainly helped smear him in 2000 with a disgraceful, racially charged lie. Yes, such smear campaigns are inevitable in politics. However, McCain's willingness to hire the man who used disgusting tactics against him has, without a doubt, cost him my vote.

Charlie Black's association with Karl Rove should have been enough warning. Rove's political tactics are well-known, especially regarding CBS and the Killian Documents, Valerie Plame, and the Swiftboaters. It seems McCain will go to all lengths to win, even if it means hiring the very person who cost him a primary by slandering him. Dishonorable doesn't even begin to describe it.
 
Charlie Black's association with Karl Rove should have been enough warning. Rove's political tactics are well-known, especially regarding CBS and the Killian Documents, Valerie Plame, and the Swiftboaters. It seems McCain will go to all lengths to win, even if it means hiring the very person who cost him a primary by slandering him. Dishonorable doesn't even begin to describe it.

Karl Rove had nothing to do with CBS's fake Killian documents, nothing to do with the Swiftboat Veterans, and is so far down the food chain on Valerie Plame that the man of the hour, Colin Powell, had more to do with the "leak" than Rove.

All of a sudden, Democrats are worried about associations... LAWL
 
Most-definitely. This is a clear demonstration of intellectual GOP members moving away from the party that has come under what appears to be complete control by the neo-cons. The best thing that we can hope for is a "Centrist" movement with conservative Democrats and progressive Republicans who can govern the country adequately for the next couple of years. His endorsement should be ringing clearly for a while, and truth be told, I don't think it could have come at a better time.

I just wish he'd do some campaigning these last two weeks...

You're saying Colin Powell isn't a neo-con? Lol! We're talking about the same guy who "sold the war," right? He bankrupted his integrity as far as I'm concerned. Now he's just another government leech, just like the rest of them.

But I'm not surprised by his endorsement. After all, Obama has surrounded himself with interventionist foreign policy advisers such as Madeleine Albright and Zbigniew Brzezinski.
 
Karl Rove had nothing to do with CBS's fake Killian documents, nothing to do with the Swiftboat Veterans, and is so far down the food chain on Valerie Plame that the man of the hour, Colin Powell, had more to do with the "leak" than Rove.

Rove has been allegedly involved in all of those, as all of those Wikipedia articles clearly state. But, you're missing my main point. McCain hired Charlie Black, who quite possibly used push-polling and slander against him. This has definitively changed my opinion of how ethical McCain really is and how much he's willing to sacrifice in order to win.

All of a sudden, Democrats are worried about associations... LAWL

If it's not too much trouble, I'd prefer you attack my opinion with logic and reason instead of categorizing and attacking me. If it's not too much trouble.

Please, label me a Democrat without hardly knowing anything about me. Liberal leanings ≠ automatically Democratic Party. I voted for Obama (absentee ballot) not because I'm a brain-dead party follower, but because I simply feel he can lead the U.S. more effectively than McCain can. I could tell you more, but I have a sense that it wouldn't accomplish anything.

If you want to disagree, do it with logical arguments, not personal attacks.

If it's not too much trouble.
 
You're saying Colin Powell isn't a neo-con? Lol! We're talking about the same guy who "sold the war," right? He bankrupted his integrity as far as I'm concerned.

I'm still not happy about it, but you can tell with the way in which he has carried himself since leaving the White House that he regrets it. We both know that either way, if we were going to fight in Iraq, he pushed to have us do it the right way to begin with... Not an open-ended occupation with only three months preparation time and too few boots on the ground.

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Any guesses on what we can expect in these final two weeks?
 
I'm still not happy about it, but you can tell with the way in which he has carried himself since leaving the White House that he regrets it. We both know that either way, if we were going to fight in Iraq, he pushed to have us do it the right way to begin with... Not an open-ended occupation with only three months preparation time and too few boots on the ground.

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Any guesses on what we can expect in these final two weeks?

That was Eric Shinseki. Who was laughed at, by the way.
 
Any guesses on what we can expect in these final two weeks?

I expect Obama to act as though he's already got the nomination in his hands. He'll be speaking like he's come out victorious and not do much McCain bashing. He's ahead in the polls and needs to play it safe. I think the only bad mouthing we'll hear from him will be him linking George Bush to McCain. If he starts attacking with a lead in the polls, it'll make voters angry and maybe some persuadables will change their vote. Powell might make a stump stop for him but probably not. Obama will just continue to energize his voters and will be playing ads in Florida, Ohio, and North Carolina relentlessly. I've noticed in my big red state of Georgia a somewhat large Obama TV ad campaign.

I expect McCain to pull out the bag of dirty tricks. He'll whine about how Obama is out spending him by bagillionz. He'll keep linking Obama to terrorist(s) even though we're only able to name one. He's going to fight and he's going to fight dirty. He's got robocalls that start by saying Obama is linked to former terrorist William Ayers. The scare tactic machine will be turned up to high gear. The McCain camp is in back and needs to slam Obama and make him seem untrustworthy. McCain will moan about ACORN and how it'll change the results about a week before the election. It's his last ditch effort. Palin will stay away from the press and play it safe like she has been the entire time.

We'll find out on Nov 4 that the lead everyone thought Obama had had been wrong. McCain will lose the election by 2-3 points me thinks. I don't think the polls are as in favor in Obama as publicized, but they are accurate enough I believe for me to be confident that Obama will win the presidency.

Obama will give the speech of his life following election day.
McCain will concede early into the night if he doesn't scream ACORN.
 
Matt, I never noticed you were from Georgia, but whats the feeling on the ground down there? I was watching TV earlier this afternoon and some of the pundits were thinking that Obama could tilt things in his favor there within the next two weeks... Thoughts?

Anyone else in the re-negotiated "battle ground states" care to talk about whats going on? Michigan (where Joey and I live) was supposed to be a part of the fun, but McCain pulled out about a month ago. It hasn't been nearly as exciting here as it should have been...
 
McCain will concede early into the night if he doesn't scream ACORN.
McCain isn't doing a very good job of bashing Obama's crazy ties to crazy people. ACORN is a bigger deal than the media refuses to show it as, and they also don't show anything about Bill Ayers, which is ridiculous. They don't show the state of southern Chicago's schools and communities, which Obama worked so hard to fix. The place is a garbage dump! The guys on 700 WLW from Cincinnati have been hosing him left and right, and none of the big news stations will report any of this crap. Obama and The Boys' efforts in Chicago were pointless as the south side is now worse than it ever was, and one of the poorest and dirtiest ghettos in the country. I love Solid Fro's video where What's-Her-Name on the O'Reilly Report dug into his tax plan, which is nigh on socialism. It'll put the country one step closer. He's a bad person with a good smile. Sometimes rich people forget how many houses they have, but I can't imagine too many have worked with terrorists. Do you guys personally know any terrorists? Obama served with Ayers without a second thought. Why isn't the media in front of Ayers's house? Eh? Obama's past experiences are ludicrous. You could write a book about all the crap he's gotten into.

EDIT: YSSMAN, hundreds of thousands of people in southwestern Ohio think Obama's last name is bin Laden. He just shaved the beard. According to 700 the man could go bar hopping with the Mao and Stalin and win a game of beer pong against the both of them. The hosts hate Obama, and they're some pretty darn smart guys. The only problem in Cinci is that there's a large minority population (they might not even be the minority, actually) so it might be a love/hate situation here. The boys in the radio have explained both sides' policies in detail and there's no excuse for anybody who listens to the station to not understand it all, so I really don't see how anybody who isn't a socialist is going to vote for Obama.

Here's a link to all Bill Cunningham's podcasts, with his 3-hour shows split into thirds. Surely you'll be able to find something interesting. Btw, don't mind his sarcasm.
 
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Matt, I never noticed you were from Georgia, but whats the feeling on the ground down there? I was watching TV earlier this afternoon and some of the pundits were thinking that Obama could tilt things in his favor there within the next two weeks... Thoughts?

I've heard that GA might actually be a surprise and vote more Obama than anticipated. Atlanta and the suburbs to it's south are high in black ethnicity. I'm certain he'll get a good show there. Other than that, I really haven't got an idea. It seems that McCain has a stronghold in my area. I've seen ONE Obama sign in my town. ONE. I've seen countless McCain/Palin signs and bumper stickers. I even saw a rainbow bumper sticker with McCain/Palin next to it. :weird: I went to watch the movie W. Friday night at the local movie complex. I went with a group of six. In the movie, including us, there were 13 people seated throughout the movie. Gauging from that, I think I live in a solidly right town.

McCain isn't doing a very good job of bashing Obama's crazy ties to crazy people. ACORN is a bigger deal than the media refuses to show it as, and they also don't show anything about Bill Ayers, which is ridiculous. They don't show the state of southern Chicago's schools and communities, which Obama worked so hard to fix. The place is a garbage dump! The guys on 700 WLW from Cincinnati have been hosing him left and right, and none of the big news stations will report any of this crap. Obama and The Boys' efforts in Chicago were pointless as the south side is now worse than it ever was, and one of the poorest and dirtiest ghettos in the country. I love Solid Fro's video where What's-Her-Name on the O'Reilly Report dug into his tax plan, which is nigh on socialism. It'll put the country one step closer. He's a bad person with a good smile. Sometimes rich people forget how many houses they have, but I can't imagine too many have worked with terrorists. Do you guys personally know any terrorists? Obama served with Ayers without a second thought. Why isn't the media in front of Ayers's house? Eh? Obama's past experiences are ludicrous. You could write a book about all the crap he's gotten into.


McCain and his campaigning are hard to follow. He talks alot about Bill Ayers for a few days and stops. Picks it right back up. He'll mention ACORN but not really follow it up with much. I can't help but think he's waiting until we get closer to the election. It's close already, but I don't know what he's waiting on. ACORN certainly has registered dead/fake voters. I agree and think it's wholly wrong. It's a problem and a big one. Anytime that stuff happens it opens up many doors of question. I don't know the statistics other than the ones in the press. But, the way it looks right now it doesn't seem as though it would have much impact on the election results overall. Sure, Obama may come out with a few thousand false votes but I think he'll win by a more decisive margin than the ACORN's false registered voters would account for.

If we want to start going around in probing into peoples pasts, everyone including McCain is going to have some stains. Just because you associate with a person, doesn't mean you agree with what they've done or stand for. It'd be hard to find someone in the world I didn't agree with on at least a few things. I think that rehashing peoples pasts to much is a slippery slope where we'll find everyone in Wasington guilty of just about any and everything.
 
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Everyone has stains and just because you associate with somebody doesn't mean you're a bad person, but when most of your childhood religious experience and your mentors and idols were decidedly anti-American? Come on. Hearing that crazy hate talk as a kid is akin to metal abuse by any person you look up to. A high school psychology class will teach you enough to realize the kind of impact anything makes at young ages, and when you get the kind of influence that Obama had, well, that's just a setup for a lot of trouble in general. We came up with psychology for a reason, and if you tell a 10 year old to hate hate hate America for years and he doesn't grow up to hate America then we'll just call the whole of psychology a failed science and throw it in the back of our closets.

But I would like to have some of Danoff's money in my pocket...
 
Seems like negative campaigning is hurting McCain's chances in many American's eyes. Honestly I'm sick of both doing negative campaigning. I don't care what side of the fence you are on, both sides are running a very dirty campaign although here in Michigan a majority of negative ads are from McCain with noticeably fewer negative ads from Obama. However, I tend not to watch a ton of network TV and mostly have the BBC or the Discovery Channel on which has very few political ads. Seems the biggest thing is Proposal 2 which is about stem cells.

CNN.com
Most believe McCain's attacks on Obama unfair, poll finds
A growing number of Americans believe John McCain has attacked Barack Obama unfairly, a negative perception of the Arizona senator that could cost him at the polls on Election Day.

According to a new survey from CNN and the Opinion Research Corp., nearly six in 10 Americans believe McCain has unfairly gone negative in his bid for the White House. That percentage is significantly higher than it was in September, when just 42 percent thought the Republican presidential nominee was running an overly negative campaign.

It also is higher than the 39 percent of Americans who believe Obama has gone unfairly negative on McCain.

Obama also has a slight lead over McCain when it comes to who is considered a stronger leader, an advantage that McCain had long held over the Illinois senator and one that has been a chief talking point of his campaign.

In recent weeks, both campaigns have stepped up spending on negative television ads and launched attacks at each other's record. But comments from both McCain and running mate Gov. Sarah Palin questioning Obama's relationship with former 1960s radical William Ayers have drawn particular scrutiny.

The GOP ticket's recent suggestion Obama will seek to carry out "socialist" policies has also garnered negative reactions.

Obama's image may also be benefiting from his huge financial advantage and the number of ads he is able to air compared with McCain. Obama can afford to produce positive and negative ads that could serve to soften his own image while hurting McCain's, Campaign Media Analysis Group's Evan Tracey, CNN's consultant on ad spending said.

"McCain can't afford the positive ads Obama can," Tracey said. "It's not likely McCain can raise his own positives with only a couple weeks left, but he can hope to raise Obama's negatives."

But the clear perception that the Arizona senator has run a more negative campaign than Obama may hurt the Republican presidential nominee's chances of a comeback as the end of the race draws near.

"In previous elections, both candidates have been viewed as attacking the other unfairly, so the penalty for doing so has tended to cancel out in past years," CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said. "But this year McCain faces that problem all by himself, so any blowback affects only him while Obama seems above the fray."

In what could be more bad news for McCain, the new CNN/ORC poll indicated that 47 percent deem Obama the stronger leader while 44 percent give the nod to McCain. That's a striking departure from a similar poll in early September showing close to 60 percent viewed McCain as the candidate with better leadership qualities.

"It's unclear what has changed the numbers on leadership," Holland said. "It's possible the cumulative effect of the debates had something to do with it. Debate audiences ranked Obama as the stronger leader after all three debates, and by increasing numbers as the debate season progressed."

Obama is also seen as having a clearer plan for solving the country's problems, and more voters say they would be more proud to call Obama president than McCain, 49 percent to 37 percent. The Illinois senator is also viewed more favorably than his White House rival: 63 percent have a positive view of Obama while 56 percent view McCain favorably.

But the Arizona senator continues to enjoy an advantage on the issue of Iraq and terrorism, and poll respondents believe by a 13-point margin that he has better experience to be president than Obama.

But on the most pressing issue, the nation's economic woes, Obama continues to hold nearly a 20-point advantage over McCain -- a chief reason for the Illinois senator maintaining a 5-point lead on his rival overall. That 5-point lead, however, is down from an 8-point edge in a poll conducted October 3-5.

The new poll shows a significant enthusiasm gap between members of each party. Even after the selection of Sarah Palin as the Republican vice presidential candidate -- a move that appeared to energize her party's base -- only about a quarter of GOP voters say they are extremely enthusiastic about voting this year. That's about half the amount of Democrats who say they feel that way.

The poll was based on interviews with 1,058 adult Americans -- 983 of them registered voters and 746 of them "likely" voters -- conducted by telephone Friday through Sunday.

Each question had a sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points, except on the question of enthusiasm, for which the sampling error is plus or minus 4.5 percentage points because it was split between Democrats and Republicans.
 
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I don't see why they're stuck on issues that just aren't important at the moment. I'm not worried about curing cancer when we're in the beginnings of an economic recession and we're trying (or should be) to get ourselves out of a war, and we've got national debts that are incomprehensible and all that good stuff. I agree that the two campaigns are too negative, but in general they and the media are just focused on a bunch of crap instead of what matters. A bunch of hearsay instead of hard facts. McCain giving straight talk is about as ridiculous as the idea of a lawyer actually telling the whole truth. The only people I hear making straight talk are people like Bill O'Reilly, John Stossel and Bill Cunningham. They're understanding the situation and explaining and seeing the facts instead of focusing on a bunch of gossip and crap.
 
It's the American media, what do you want? They are going to report on anything like this from either side because it's all infotainment. I mean when you are competing with The Daily Show for people's attention you have to run stuff like this.

Call me a cynic but it doesn't matter who gets in office, nothing is really going to change. McCain is obviously an old man set in his ways with an incompetent women as his VP who will fill in if/when he kicks it and Obama is to rash and is just riding a big wave of popularity with a VP who looks like he smacks waitresses in the ass. Yes there are third parties but let's be realistic, it will either be Obama or McCain in the end and that concerns me.

I like Obama as a person more then I like McCain, but that's not really how I base my voting decisions. I also disagree with many of McCain's policies but the same can be said about Obama. The best choice I see for this election is writing in "Do Over".
 
I agree. Is a "do-over" possible? Are there any provisions for that in the Constitution? Not that they'd be honored, of course...
 
I don't care what side of the fence you are on, both sides are running a very dirty campaign although here in Michigan a majority of negative ads are from McCain with noticeably fewer negative ads from Obama.

There aren't any McCain ads being ran on this side of the state, or to that end, I'm just not noticing them. We're seeing quite a few Obama ads, not always immediately associated with his campaign, but a new one from UAW on heathcare.

Seems the biggest thing is Proposal 2 which is about stem cells.

Which is odd, but I don't know. I'd have thought it would have been over the moral issue, not how much it could cost. I'll likely vote in favor of Prop 2, and presumably the same for Prop 1 (legalizing medical marijuana)... Which has oddly enough received no attention whatsoever in this election season.

Keef
I agree. Is a "do-over" possible? Are there any provisions for that in the Constitution? Not that they'd be honored, of course...

Not unless we change the way our election system works. Proportional representation would be great, it would definitely break apart the two-party system. Constitutionally, all of the marbles go to the winner (no matter how large the margin), so we'd have to throw everything out. Politics in America are about the formation of coalitions, and while the Roosevelt coalition and the Reagan coalitions are all but dead, the key to this election will be whether or not the Obama or McCain campaigns can form enough of a coalition to extend the superiority of the Democratic or Republican parties for the next eight years.
 
Maybe we citizens should band together and do everything we can to get rid of these two parties. The egos in Washington have gotten out of hand. But of course us Americans can't get along because there's far too many dumb people. Didn't somebody in here mention something about "dealing with it"?
 
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