Official 2011/12 Barclays Premier League Thread

[mattythedog]

Oh the irony.

 

[Liquid]

Damn! I was hoping for a day where all the Man U fanboys didn't strut their stuff on Facebook.

I was hoping for a day when the United fans weren't fickle, Liverpool fans stopped watching the History channel and stopped defending the undefendable, the Chelsea fans weren't touching themselves about Mourinho, Arsenal fans quitted moaning and the City fans stopped breathing.

 

[mattythedog]

I was hoping for a day when the United fans weren't fickle, Liverpool fans stopped watching the History channel and stopped defending the undefendable, the Chelsea fans weren't touching themselves about Mourinho, Arsenal fans quitted moaning and the City fans stopped breathing.

That day is gonna be February the 31st, didn't you get the memo?

 

[Ross]

Oh Yeah looks like we have won this one. Closed the gap on City for about a day. They have Villa though so I guess they will be back on top by the end of the weekend.

 

[NINE_HUNDRED]

Oh Yeah looks like we have won this one. Closed the gap on City for about a day. They have Villa though so I guess they will be back on top by the end of the weekend.

Heskey hatrick to win it

 

[Liquid]

Heskey hatrick to win it

More chance of Heskey getting a hattrick than Carroll.

 

[marchi]

More chance of Heskey getting a hattrick than Carroll.

Carroll getting out jumped by a 5'5 Rafael


Kenny makes himself look like a massive tool again, 'If you can dish it out to reporters, learn to take it', Suarez looks like an even bigger scum bag, United win, Rooney scores a brace, Evra's celebration, United utterly outclass Liverpool... Fantastic game!

 

[Liquid]

Pot/Kettle.

Suarez is a disgrace. Evra was racially abused, hasn't received an apology, but yet still offers his hand to Suarez, and he snubs it. True ****, disgraceful, vile person. **** off to Uruguay you ****.

I like United, but a fair few of their fans are as bad as the equally bad section of Liverpool fans they slag off.

 

[Famine]

The interesting part of it all is why Suarez and Evra behaved as they did.

Suarez truly believes he did nothing wrong - of course we don't know that he did, so he's either honest (he didn't do it) or delusional (he did, but doesn't see it as wrong) - and refused to shake the hand of a man he blames for getting him banned for 20% of the season and vilified. Seems fair, surely? Would you shake the hand of a guy you believed had wronged you?

Evra, meanwhile, dances around and rubs the victory in his face. That's just plain childish and, in the words of Sir Alex Ferguson, "could have started a riot" (instead of just starting a fight, which is what it did).

Rio Ferdinand also refused to shake Suarez's hand. Nothing wrong with that, apparently.

 

[bradford]

Evra, meanwhile, dances around and rubs the victory in his face. That's just plain childish and, in the words of Sir Alex Ferguson, "could have started a riot" (instead of just starting a fight, which is what it did).

I have to agree that it was over the top, but seriously, he just captained Manchester United to a victory over Liverpool, you can't blame him for celebrating.

 

[Famine]

In Suarez's face...

There's a time and a place. And it's not like the Manchester United fanzines helped matters...

 

[Mike Rotch]

Suarez is a disgrace to the game 👎 Dalgliesh is a disgrace to the game 👎 And Liverpool are not far behind for not tell the aforementioned two to pull their head out their arses 👎 Evra was a chop for over celebrating, but I can understand why he did.

 

[mattythedog]

Suarez knew that not shaking his hand would cause a reaction, so he should've just took the handshake and for on with the game. I also think Evra overreacted.

 

[C-ZETA]

I knew Suarez was bad before he came to Liverpool.

World Cup. Uruguay vs Ghana.

Just saying.

Suarez is now the new Oxford Dictionary definition of 'bad example'.

 

[Emptyone]

Even before the world cup, biting another player was an example of Suarez's temperament

 

[Famine]

Suarez is a disgrace to the game 👎 Dalgliesh is a disgrace to the game 👎

Neither believe that Suarez did anything wrong. Moreover, we don't have any evidence that he did - unlike the Terry incident, his mouth was completely obscured making lipreading impossible - with seemingly the allegation from Evra alone being enough to convict him in the eyes of the FA.

Given that he firmly believes he did nothing wrong at all, why should he shake the hand of the man that convicted him on hearsay? Given that he firmly believes he did nothing wrong at all, why should his manager not stick up for him?


Luis Suarez's word that he didn't use racist abuse is good enough for John Barnes - famous target for unimaginable racial abuse - to support him on live television (Soccer AM), just as Patrice Evra's was good enough for the FA to convict and ban Suarez...

We don't know what happened. Liverpool are convinced by Suarez, Manchester United and the FA are convinced by Evra. I can't stand either of them.

 

[Mike Rotch]

Neither believe that Suarez did anything wrong. Moreover, we don't have any evidence that he did - unlike the Terry incident, his mouth was completely obscured making lipreading impossible - with seemingly the allegation from Evra alone being enough to convict him in the eyes of the FA.

Given that he firmly believes he did nothing wrong at all, why should he shake the hand of the man that convicted him on hearsay? Given that he firmly believes he did nothing wrong at all, why should his manager not stick up for him?


Luis Suarez's word that he didn't use racist abuse is good enough for John Barnes - famous target for unimaginable racial abuse - to support him on live television (Soccer AM), just as Patrice Evra's was good enough for the FA to convict and ban Suarez...

We don't know what happened. Liverpool are convinced by Suarez, Manchester United and the FA are convinced by Evra. I can't stand either of them.

In my mind, whether Dalgliesh thinks or doesn't think he did it, he was found guilty of racial abuse and his record, as a player will forever show he racially abused a player. If he has bones about it, it should take it up with the FA, not with the player accusing him.

The shaking of hands was a chance to draw a line through it, even if he felt wronged, not shaking hands was only going to make things worse on a very big stage.

As for a 'Red', Barnes, sticking up for him; well, given the weight of evidence of his character in previous 'incidents' such as a SWC vs Ghana, I am reminded of the old saying "there is no smoke without fire" with respect to his FA penalty.

FYI, I'm a gunner and they are both ordinary in my eyes .

 

[ECGadget]

Regardless of whether or not Suarez was guilty, what he did today was wrong and idiotic. King Kenny should really be looking at the contract Suarez has. Evra was stupid today as well.

I am a liverpool supporter, and Suarez is a good player, but he is not (as far as I can tell) a good person. Especially after today. Was a handshake too much to ask?

 

[Liquid]

The interesting part of it all is why Suarez and Evra behaved as they did.

Suarez truly believes he did nothing wrong - of course we don't know that he did, so he's either honest (he didn't do it) or delusional (he did, but doesn't see it as wrong) - and refused to shake the hand of a man he blames for getting him banned for 20% of the season and vilified. Seems fair, surely? Would you shake the hand of a guy you believed had wronged you?

I see your point, but I don't understand why he wasn't educated about the cultural differences between here and Uruguay. He's been at Liverpool what, 12 months? Someone might have just slipped in, "Oh by the way, doesn't matter if your black mates think it's cool; don't call other black people by the N-word or any derivatives". Allegedly.

Evra, meanwhile, dances around and rubs the victory in his face. That's just plain childish and, in the words of Sir Alex Ferguson, "could have started a riot" (instead of just starting a fight, which is what it did).

Normally, I'd have engaged in as much salt-in-the-wounds-but-keeping-it-acceptable celebrations as much as the next man and I don't think his celebrations were that offensive for a derby game. But, in this case, given the circumstances, I have to agree with you. Keep silent and offer a wry smile. Much cooler. And definitely smarter.

Rio Ferdinand also refused to shake Suarez's hand. Nothing wrong with that, apparently.

As did Welbeck, so I read.

 

[Smallhorses]

Am I the only one that was happier when SAF wasn't talking to the media?
At least we didn't have to listen to his biased, blinkered, hypocritical rubbish every week. A snubbed handshake causing a riot? Come on. Having your own fans potentially wearing KKK masks to bait the Liverpool supporters, that would've caused a riot.

Calling for Suarez to be sold because he refused to shake the had of the player who had him banned for using a term he believed was acceptable because of his background (probably with lots of pushing from SAF even if the player categorically stated Suarez is not racist)? As if that's rational.
Yeah, he made a mistake, has served punishment for it
We all of course remember how Fergie immediately sold Cantona after he disgracefully kicked a supporter, Ferdinand after he cheated a drugs test and Rooney when he petulantly kicks out at opposition players on international duty as well as for ManUre. Oh, wait. Maybe not.
Shut it Fergie, we don't need to hear any more of your double-standard nonsense. If anything it just proves again that he's afraid of the effect Suarez can have for Liverpool on the pitch.

It's nice to see how the FA once again operates with double standards too, cancelling the handshake for QPR vs. Chelsea because of the potential tension around it, and in an already historically tense fixture anyway they do nothing. Genius.

 

[Liquid]

I dinnae see the handshakes. I wasnae there. You'll have to ask Suarez

You cannae blame anything on Suarez *Gets super defensive with Sky reporter*

Contradiction?

Kenny's in a corner here. Fierce loyalty to his players but... I don't know. I think a handshake was necessary. It would have been a start to normalisation. Ferguson was equally out of order with his comments too, very OTT.

Famine suggested Suarez wouldn't want to shake hands with someone who has aggrieved him and there is a point there, but Evra also believes that Suarez has aggrieved him and he was willing to shake hands. Difficult one to solve.

 

[Famine]

In my mind, whether Dalgliesh thinks or doesn't think he did it, he was found guilty of racial abuse and his record, as a player will forever show he racially abused a player. If he has bones about it, it should take it up with the FA, not with the player accusing him.

The shaking of hands was a chance to draw a line through it, even if he felt wronged, not shaking hands was only going to make things worse on a very big stage.

Regardless of whether or not Suarez was guilty, what he did today was wrong and idiotic. King Kenny should really be looking at the contract Suarez has. Evra was stupid today as well.

I am a liverpool supporter, and Suarez is a good player, but he is not (as far as I can tell) a good person. Especially after today. Was a handshake too much to ask?

Ultimately, Suarez has been stigmatised, vilified and banned from earning a living for two months on the basis of something he truly believes he hasn't done. Asking him to shake the hand of his accuser is moronic.

Chelsea and QPR abandoned the handshake so that Terry and Ferdinand didn't have to get all chummy - and Terry hasn't even been found guilty of anything. So why were these two players asked to shake hands when one has been found guilty of an offence against the other?


Wayne Bridge didn't shake John Terry's hand last season - because John Terry had sex with a woman who used to have sex with him. Why wasn't he censured?

As for a 'Red', Barnes, sticking up for him; well, given the weight of evidence of his character in previous 'incidents' such as a SWC vs Ghana, I am reminded of the old saying "there is no smoke without fire" with respect to his FA penalty.

Barnes suffered for years. He had bananas thrown at him, he had racists on a plane (insert Samuel L Jackson here) abusing him returning from an England match saying that his (amazing) goal didn't count because he's black, he had Liverpool fans - his own fans - writing to him to say he shouldn't be allowed to play for Liverpool because of his skin colour.

Barnes supports Suarez. If he suspected Suarez was guilty of racial abuse, after the career full of racial abuse he suffered, he would, at best, distance himself or refrain from commenting. He supports him.

I see your point, but I don't understand why he wasn't educated about the cultural differences between here and Uruguay. He's been at Liverpool what, 12 months? Someone might have just slipped in, "Oh by the way, doesn't matter if your black mates think it's cool; don't call other black people by the N-word or any derivatives". Allegedly.

We only have the one source for Suarez's comments - Patrice Evra. Evra declared that Suarez said he'd kicked him because he's black and said that he doesn't speak to blacks. We've got no other evidence for this.

Suarez himself admitted using the Spanish word "negro" but said it was in a friendly manner. We might scoff at that, but Suarez himself is of a black/mixed-race origin and we should all be very familiar with young black gentlemen addressing each other as "my n*****". Seen in that context, it's a really ill-advised, stupid mistake.

So now we've got a young, non-black, black-origin gentleman addressing a young black gentleman as "my n*****" (only in Spanish), by his own admission, whereas the story reaches the FA that he's said he doesn't speak to blacks and kicked Evra because he's black. Then allegedly said "Blacky blacky black" at him... We go from "whoops, shouldn't have said that" to "racial abuse, 8 game ban".


I think you can see why Luis Suarez might be upset at Patrice Evra. I think the person who thought "Yeah, these guys should shake hands. I mean, we called it off when it was simply an accusation with Terry and Ferdinand, but this dude's been convicted so it's no problem" should be kicked in the balls.


*Caveat. We have no reason to assume Suarez's story to be true and Evra's to be false any more than we have reason to assume Evra's to be true and Suarez's to be false. We simply have no evidence either way, due to Suarez's mouth being obscured - but the FA were convinced by Evra and not Suarez. I'm simply explaining why Suarez acted as he did and neither of them should have been put through that farce today.

 

[Liquid]

a)I think you can see why Luis Suarez might be upset at Patrice Evra. b) I think the person who thought "Yeah, these guys should shake hands. I mean, we called it off when it was simply an accusation with Terry and Ferdinand, but this dude's been convicted so it's no problem" should be kicked in the balls.

a) Absolutely. You can arguably blame others for not fully instructing him on things you say, and don't say. This addresses this point;

Suarez himself admitted using the Spanish word "negro" but said it was in a friendly manner. We might scoff at that, but Suarez himself is of a black/mixed-race origin and we should all be very familiar with young black gentlemen addressing each other as "my n*****". Seen in that context, it's a really ill-advised, stupid mistake..

b) Sepp Blatter? I don't think anybody is suggesting the handshake would have been the end of it and it's all fine and dandy. And if they are, yes, they deserve a plonk between the crown jewels. But it would have been a start. In my mind anyway. The longer the sniping and petty tactics go on, the longer this will drag on and on and on and on... Whoever stands up first will come out as the better man.

 

[marchi]

The interesting part of it all is why Suarez and Evra behaved as they did.

Suarez truly believes he did nothing wrong - of course we don't know that he did, so he's either honest (he didn't do it) or delusional (he did, but doesn't see it as wrong) - and refused to shake the hand of a man he blames for getting him banned for 20% of the season and vilified. Seems fair, surely? Would you shake the hand of a guy you believed had wronged you?

Evra, meanwhile, dances around and rubs the victory in his face. That's just plain childish and, in the words of Sir Alex Ferguson, "could have started a riot" (instead of just starting a fight, which is what it did).

Rio Ferdinand also refused to shake Suarez's hand. Nothing wrong with that, apparently.

That is one of the stupidest justifications for Suarez I've read on the internet and thats coming for what I perceive to be an intelligent well thought out person. You might as well have said 'why should Evra shake the hand of a player that dragged his name through mud' like the rest of the ignorant scousers instead of trying to beat around the bush.

Suarez was found guilty of racially abusing Evra. There is no if's and buts about it. His own team mates admitted they heard abuse, and Suarez admitted he used the word negrito. If he was innocent, why didn't Liverpool appeal the ban?

Had Suarez shaken Evra's hand like Kenny Dalglish had said he would on Monday night, this would be a non issue. Instead Evra 'who is the one being wronged' had the balls to put his hand out to a man that racially abused him, and gets it thrown in his face. Suarez wrote the story today and after what Liverpool said in their press release, had every right to make him and LFC look like a bunch of clowns. Again if Suarez shakes his hand, then none of this happens.

Liverpool are the only group that needs to take responsibility for today. Their handling of the whole situation has been an absolute joke and the fact they keep banging on about how innocent they are. Kenny Dalglish craps on in his interview about Sky building it up, but he stupidly forget he was playing at Anefield on Monday night, not at Old Trafford. The abuse was always going to come.

Liverpool FC, always the victim....


This from Small horses

Calling for Suarez to be sold because he refused to shake the had of the player who had him banned for using a term he believed was acceptable because of his background (probably with lots of pushing from SAF even if the player categorically stated Suarez is not racist)? As if that's rational.
Yeah, he made a mistake, has served punishment for it
We all of course remember how Fergie immediately sold Cantona after he disgracefully kicked a supporter, Ferdinand after he cheated a drugs test and Rooney when he petulantly kicks out at opposition players on international duty as well as for ManUre. Oh, wait. Maybe not.
Shut it Fergie, we don't need to hear any more of your double-standard nonsense. If anything it just proves again that he's afraid of the effect Suarez can have for Liverpool on the pitch.

So afraid of Liverpool FC sitting down in 7th on the league table, who have wasted 75 million on Downing Carrol and Henderson. So afraid of a loose cannon like Suarez. Keep your delusions of grandeur coming because it's comic relief to any other sane person who watched football. Don't flatter yourself, Liverpool are now the biggest small club in the world. Your tactics against us today were to sit back, hold us out and then bring Bellamy on in hope of grabbing a lucky goal. Welcome to being a mid table club. Ferguson isn't afraid of you, or your overrated untalented players.

And you just don't get it do you. Cantona disgraced himself, the club never defended him, Rio missed a drugs test not failed one, Rooney isn' the only player to get sick of getting chunks kicked out of him either. Atleast he doesn't power kick spurs players to the stomach, eye gouge them or bite other players.

What people are sick of ,is listening to Kenny Dalglish beat on about how Suarez never should have been banned, and defending racism. He treats the BBC and sky reporters in post match interviews like scum, and Shreeves made him look like an absolute muppet tonight.

 

[Famine]

That is one of the stupidest justifications for Suarez I've read on the internet and thats coming for what I perceive to be an intelligent well thought out person.

Good job it wasn't a justification then.

Read it again. Read my following post too.

 

[TyrrellRacing]

I think people too often agree on this site with moderators just because they're moderators but here I really do have to agree 100% with Famine. What if Suarez is innocent, do you think you would shake someones hand who had just got you banned for 8 games and made out to be a villain. Don't get me wrong, I hardly think Suarez is an angel but I can definitely see where he is coming from. I also stumbled across this [language warning] a while back. I think the FA just acted in public opinion, gave Suarez a massive ban so as to stop even a hint of "racism" returning.

The handshake should have been called off altogether. Ferdinand did nothing wrong in my view as it looked like Suarez has refused to shake Evra's outstretched hand. However multiple videos challenge this showing that Evra retracted his arm and that Suarez saw this and just left it.

Rooney is quite frankly, the biggest sorry disgrace to the English team. When I heard on MOTD he said he wanted the England captaincy I laughed out loud, very loud. Marchi, Rooney deserves every bit of criticism he gets. Total disgrace. You're right he doesn't kick Spurs players in the stomach, he just assaults Montenegrin players.

 

[Smallhorses]

It looks like marchi has borrowed SAF's Red Devil blindfold!

I get precisely what I said, SAF is calling for Liverpool to sell a player he considers disgraceful for refusing to shake the hand of another player.
It's small fries compared to kicking off on opposition fans and getting yourself banned, missing a drugs test and getting yourself banned, and getting your name splashed over the papers for visiting prostitutes while your wife is pregnant, but as I said, I didn't see SAF jumping on the "sell them 'cos they're disgraceful" high horse then.
Wonder why? Because they're some of the best players ManUre have had and helped them to get to where they are today? Could be.
I pointed out his hypocritical double standard, and it seems that while most understood it, some didn't as they're in that "ignorant scousers" mindset.
You had to laugh at how ignorant the ManUre fans that criticised the booing of Evra as "racist" when it was nothing of the sort (the one racist idiot making monkey gestures was correctly arrested), and those paragons of Manc intelligence that arrived today with their KKK fanzine and the "Welcome to Klanfield" T-shirt.

Suarez admitted to using the word negrito, yes, he's of mixed-race origin himself and negrito is a term by which his own wife refers to him and which as has been mentioned before here is used as a term of endearment in Latin America much as young black men will refer to each other as "my n*****".
It's a term Suarez had heard the ManUre players using to Evra as well, and is very different to perjoratively using someones colour or words alluding to their race, as an insult, something which Evra actually admitted to doing to Suarez, however, when you can embellish the story a little to say that "he kicked me because I'm black" and then use it to have someone from your fierce old rival banned for 8 games, are you sure you don't see the gains that ManUre hoped to achieve? Shame it didn't work for you in the FA Cup.

What I was also asking, but was conveniently overlooked by some, is why the FA, who abandoned a pre-match handshake for Chelski to avoid their white, English player being involved in a similar scenario, didn't do the same for this game if as SAF has suggested a missed handshake can "start a riot"?

I'm not suggesting from 7th place in the table they're any threat to United's title hopes for this year, but with Suarez playing the 8 games he was banned for, would we still be in that position? We'll never know. It's unlikely they'd be topping the table, but only 4 more points than now would have seen us into the Top 4.

In terms of stopping Utd playing, isn't that the point of Football? You're supposed to stop the other team from scoring against you, and score more goals than them. It's how to win games. It's how Utd and many other teams used to play against Liverpool when they were dominant, so why should it be any different now that Utd are a better team?

It was lovely to see SAF acknowledge Evra's celebrations as wrong. It's about the only sensible thing he's said today!

 

[Mike Rotch]

Ultimately, Suarez has been stigmatised, vilified and banned from earning a living for two months on the basis of something he truly believes he hasn't done. Asking him to shake the hand of his accuser is moronic.

That statement makes it sounds like Suarez's kids had to eat the dirt under their nails for the period he was banned. If I don't weep because he didn't earn 100k quid for 2 months, please forgive me

Play out the alternative scenario. He shakes his hand, gives him a hug, whispers "you muppet" in Evra's ear whilst solomnly smiling for the camera's and continues down the line. Paper shout "Suarez learns from mistake, makes peace". 90 minutes later we are talking about the game, as the "whole Suarez fiasco" is buttoned up.

Instead he made a statement, fanned the tensions and here we are.

It's not like he was just let out of jail after serving 30 years for a crime he didnt commit. Yes, then I could understand he might not want to shake his accuser hand. But this was a 8 match ban, brought about by his own ill-advised language. He should have manned up, gotten over it and gotten on with the game.

Incidentally, looks like Suarez decided to ignore Dalglish:

“People are already speculating on the pre-match ceremony,” Dalglish said. “But from Luis’s point of view, we have spoken to him and I know he will shake the hand of Patrice Evra and the other Manchester United players before the game.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...w-etiquette-and-shake-Patrice-Evras-hand.html

 

[marchi]

It looks like marchi has borrowed SAF's Red Devil blindfold!

I get precisely what I said, SAF is calling for Liverpool to sell a player he considers disgraceful for refusing to shake the hand of another player.
It's small fries compared to kicking off on opposition fans and getting yourself banned, missing a drugs test and getting yourself banned, and getting your name splashed over the papers for visiting prostitutes while your wife is pregnant, but as I said, I didn't see SAF jumping on the "sell them 'cos they're disgraceful" high horse then.

You really have no clue do you. Do you understand the whole context of why the handshake is such a big deal? Or are you that blind and deluded to think that it has absolutely nothing to do with the racism issue. But yes, racism is small fries compared to Cantona kicking a spectator that was racial abusing him, or Rio accidentally missing a drugs test, or Wayne Rooney sleeping around, which coincidentally has nothing to do with the club 'hence the reason we made zero comment on the situation'. Rooney disgraces himself not the club.

Wonder why? Because they're some of the best players ManUre have had and helped them to get to where they are today? Could be.
I pointed out his hypocritical double standard, and it seems that while most understood it, some didn't as they're in that "ignorant scousers" mindset.
You had to laugh at how ignorant the ManUre fans that criticised the booing of Evra as "racist" when it was nothing of the sort (the one racist idiot making monkey gestures was correctly arrested), and those paragons of Manc intelligence that arrived today with their KKK fanzine and the "Welcome to Klanfield" T-shirt.

So why was Evra being booed? What exactly did he do that was wrong? Quite frankly, I don't think the LFC fans were being racist, but they're defending a convicted racist. Ferguson never defended Cantona nor Rooney. He defended Rio because it was absolute ********. Perhaps if Liverpool FC stopped defending a convicted racist they wouldn't being tarred with the same brush country wide.

Suarez admitted to using the word negrito, yes, he's of mixed-race origin himself and negrito is a term by which his own wife refers to him and which as has been mentioned before here is used as a term of endearment in Latin America much as young black men will refer to each other as "my n*****".
It's a term Suarez had heard the ManUre players using to Evra as well, and is very different to perjoratively using someones colour or words alluding to their race, as an insult, something which Evra actually admitted to doing to Suarez, however, when you can embellish the story a little to say that "he kicked me because I'm black" and then use it to have someone from your fierce old rival banned for 8 games, are you sure you don't see the gains that ManUre hoped to achieve? Shame it didn't work for you in the FA Cup.

That's really all that needs to be said. You should join Rawk. It's full of idiotic blind Liverpool fans much like yourself, that make up stuff to help themselves feel better. I'd be much more concerned about not winning the league for 20+ years than losing to you in an FA cup match that we dominated.

What I was also asking, but was conveniently overlooked by some, is why the FA, who abandoned a pre-match handshake for Chelski to avoid their white, English player being involved in a similar scenario, didn't do the same for this game if as SAF has suggested a missed handshake can "start a riot"?

Thank you for that lovely racial insight. Says alot about you as a person.
And you wonder why Liverpool fans get tarred with the racist brush

In terms of stopping Utd playing, isn't that the point of Football? You're supposed to stop the other team from scoring against you, and score more goals than them. It's how to win games. It's how Utd and many other teams used to play against Liverpool when they were dominant, so why should it be any different now that Utd are a better team?

I was strictly pointing how just how small time LFC have become. You will not get into the top 4 with those performances.

It was lovely to see SAF acknowledge Evra's celebrations as wrong. It's about the only sensible thing he's said today!

Thats alright, i'll be more concerned when he starts defending racists

Good job it wasn't a justification then.

Read it again. Read my following post too.

Sorry Famine, but Liverpool players state they heard the altercation, Suarez admits to using the word Negrito and according to several uruguayan posters on a general football forum I visit, pretty much admitted to saying it simply to wind Evra up in an interview. There's nothing innocent about it, he may not be a racist, but he brought it on himself.

I don't have issues with winding players up 'heck I do it every time I play or when I coach', but when you bring race into it, expect to get rightly burned.

 

[marchi]

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