Official GT Blog: "Pit Stop" by Polyphony Digital

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MJRL
If he said he was not happy with the sounds, why did he release a game in that state?
Or he just said that because the community don't like?
Last time i read something about the sounds in GT5 he was very happy with them, why did he change the opinion if they still the same?
If i do something and i don't like what i have done, i try other ways, this thing it's not new in GT6, the complains came in GT5, at least they could try change something to sound different, and try other excuse.
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Don't know, but those are different questions. And they have made changes, as mentioned previously. As said, you aren't understanding what has been said.
 
jimipitbull
They answered that, samples now recorded under load, with car on dyno tune machine. They explained how sounds were recorded previously.

Seriously, you have read answers but are not understanding what has been said.
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Sounds have been recorded that way since 2003, as quoted below. So basically, almost every car in GT6 should be recorded "properly", with the possible exceptions of the ones from GT3, which may or may not have been re-recorded.

However there was a turning point in 2003, when we met with Mr. Tanabe of Amuse, one of the leading car tuners of Japan in his day (Mr. Tanabe passed away in 2008).
We found that the “Dynapack” chassis dynamo used by Tanabe san (known to be a perfectionist) for precision engine settings was perfect for capturing engine sound.
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There's still the very relevant question of whether sound recording techniques have progressed since that breakthrough in 2003, or whether they're still doing the same thing eleven years later. It's a rare person that does their job for eleven years and finds no ways to improve what they're doing.
 
Ameer67
I thought you loved them? You were one of the most excited people in the Senna thread.
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Indeed I do, and I still love them as well. However, I was saying there aren't good example of PD improving the engine sound side. Theres still more work that needs to be done for other cars too.
 
TokoTurismo
Indeed I do, and I still love them as well. However, I was saying there aren't good example of PD improving the engine sound side. Theres still more work that needs to be done for other cars too.
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True, 3-4 cars with some nice sounds aren't gonna make up for the the other 1,200.
 
Ameer67
True, 3-4 cars with some nice sounds aren't gonna make up for the the other 1,200.
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You know the two new cars that were added? I wish they had improved sounds too. :indiff:

They would have helped prove that PD are indeed working hard on the sounds. :)

Edit: I mean the Toyota Hybrid and the Lexus. :P We shouldn't worry about the VGT cars though.
 
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TokoTurismo
Indeed I do, and I still love them as well. However, I was saying there aren't good example of PD improving the engine sound side. Theres still more work that needs to be done for other cars too.
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So examples of improved sounds aren't a good example of improved sounds? But you love them anyway...

You are an example, that no matter what PD do, certain people will still complain.
 
jimipitbull
So examples of improved sounds aren't a good example of improved sounds? But you love them anyway...

You are an example, that no matter what PD do, certain people will still complain.
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How excatly am I complaining? I gaved out my opinion that the 97T and the redbull sounding F3 car aren't good examples of PD working hard on improving the sounds, but I like that they at least tried with these cars (because Senna maybe). And no, the Redbull cars aren't good example either, so I'm not sure why you're getting all annoyed over others who do have complaints.

Let them express them, you don't have to force yourself to read them but I guess that's too hard for you, a good example of those who over protects everything PD.
 
TokoTurismo
How excatly am I complaining? I gaved out my opinion that the 97T and the redbull sounding F3 car aren't good examples of PD working hard on improving the sounds, but I like that they at least tried with these cars (because Senna maybe). And no, the Redbull cars aren't good example either, so I'm not sure why you're getting all annoyed over others who do have complaints.

Let them express them, you don't have to force yourself to read them but I guess that's too hard for you, a good example of those who over protects everything PD.
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You can express what you want, it's a public forum. Just don't act so surprised that others have differing opinions. Some people stick to their guns, others flip flop between alternate views. The flip floppers are hard to take serious, they should expect to be called out more often, don't you think?
 
jimipitbull
You can express what you want, it's a public forum. Just don't act so surprised that others have differing opinions. Some people stick to their guns, others flip flop between alternate views. The flip floppers are hard to take serious, they should expect to be called out more often, don't you think?
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Yes, but I hope you're putting me in the "flip flop" group, because I wasn't attempting to be that. :grumpy:
 
jimipitbull
They answered that, samples now recorded under load, with car on dyno tune machine. They explained how sounds were recorded previously.

Seriously, you have read answers but are not understanding what has been said.
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Like @Imari said, that's how they've been doing recording, but I recall them (PD) saying they were working on an entirely 'new' way to record sounds for future titles, there was a news post or article a few months back I remember, it was part of what started all the "placeholder" jokes.

If they "explain" that, then maybe we'll start getting somewhere with Q&A answers.

You know, until they take another month to answer a question :P
 
jimipitbull
As mentioned, and as heard recently in GT6, lotus 97t and red bulls sound..... improved

Do you agree?
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So that would then be an example of something more that could be explained in the "history of sounds" series of articles, yes?

I think the Red Bulls sound improved, as does the Ralt. The 97t is just loud. Whether that's because of the "recording" technique they used, or how they mixed it, or some other property of the sound system is unknown. Why whatever they did to those cars wasn't and hasn't been applied to any other cars is unknown.

Whether that technique even can be applied to other cars is unknown, all of the "improved" sounds are on pretty hardcore race cars.

Let's be honest, there's a ton of stuff we don't know about what they're doing with the techniques they have in front of them right now, let alone what they're doing in the future. And I think what they're doing in the future would be a good thing to elaborate on as well, they're so far behind the curve with the majority of sounds in GT6 that people would probably respond positively to some demonstration of how they plan to address the problem.

Kurei
Like @Imari said, that's how they've been doing recording, but I recall them (PD) saying they were working on an entirely 'new' way to record sounds for future titles, there was a news post or article a few months back I remember, it was part of what started all the "placeholder" jokes.

If they "explain" that, then maybe we'll start getting somewhere with Q&A answers.

You know, until they take another month to answer a question :P
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There's been rumours of that since before GT5. Whether they actually came out and said it that early I don't recall, but they certainly confirmed that they had some new technique before GT6's release.

Nobody really knows what this technique is, but it's speculated to be real time sound simulation.

Personally, I'd settle for them sitting down and doing some good old fashioned hard work to get the current sounds up to scratch using traditional methods first, instead of shooting for the stars with sound simulation. But it's PD and they don't do things by wholes. They either do things by halves or by doubles.
 
Their sound recording is one thing but their sound creation from scratch is a whole different thing. Pretty much all custom exhausts use custom samples and judging from how bad (read: unreal and far from an actual engine) most sound I always expected those to be made from scratch?
 
iainoflo85
He's just being honest.
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That was too honest, and rude. This whole "Toko is a flip flopper" is annoying.

Edit: Just wanted to add that I know there are those who want me to stop being critical towards PD and GT, but I have to be. I can't be blind towards everything PD does. However if PD was worth to do something that's actually worth being praised, such as releasing the Course Maker, than I'll praise it, but I'll maybe critical about it if it's bad.
 
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I wonder how it would be like to interrogate Kaz...
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Bring on the forum users who will get outraged by a new blog post even though it wasn't posted by Kaz...
 
I thought is was a good read, but they are dragging on the N24 too long. I want to read about something new! It doesn't even have to be Granturismo related!
 
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