On which plattform do you think/do you want GT6 to be released?
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- ShortAzianKid
Everyone is hoping like crazy that'll be PS3 but lets be realistic this is a Playstation exclusive and what better way to promote the release of a new console then with a stable exclusive that the community loves, am I right or am I right?
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GT6: PS3. November 7th, 2013.
Premium car count: 450-500
Standard car count: 0
Tracks: Most of GT4 tracks revived. Bathurst + surprise real world course added.
Premium car count: 450-500
Standard car count: 0
Tracks: Most of GT4 tracks revived. Bathurst + surprise real world course added.
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Clearly it didn't since most of the problems with GT5 have nothing to do with the hardware. They didn't need better hardware to model more cars, they needed better management of their time and resources.
This one image demonstrates the problem perfectly:
Is that sort of insane detail 'nice' and 'cool' when you're taking close up photos like that? Maybe. Is it necessary for the overall enjoyment of the game, bearing in mind you will never see that sort of detail in game? Not in the slightest. They spent far too long detailing cars to extreme levels that nobody would see in the main part of the game and so wasted a lot of their time.
If you have the time and huge resources to model cars to such extreme detail and still crank out a large number of them by all means go for it but PD clearly did not, and the game suffered for it.
I don't mean to be rude, but it's just a texture (albeit a very cleverly mapped one, going by the apparent detail). What's "insane" is the sophistication of the shaders they developed to get those refraction and internal reflection (e.g. of sunlight) effects (although I've just noticed some glitches in the flat areas, that might give hints to how they're doing things to the knowledgable). That's not necessarily computationally expensive, they run just as happily in a race as they do in photomode, and some Standards seem to have had the shaders retro-actively applied to their lights, too.
Hopefully the cars and associated tech are a future investment in that they can be carried onto the PS4, then they won't at all be a "waste" of time, not that I think they are anyway - they're beautiful.
Besides, its not the relative lack of Premium cars that really brings GT5 down, it's the general lack of game, which is unlikely to have been anything to do with the car models or graphics programmers themselves.
EDIT: Which of course is no reason GT6 shouldn't be on PS3, indeed.
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- PletdeKoe
As long as GT6 is a good instalment I would love to see it on Ps3. Why not? When it's good it's good and then the sooner the better. If however problems with the capacity of the Ps3 prohibit a major improvement then I would say push it towards the Ps4.
At the moment I don't really want to buy a new console for a couple of hundred bucks. Also graphicaly the hasn't has to change that much. Just an expansion on current features: Only premium models, day/night an weather on all tracks, better shades and more tracks.
As long as the game itself is provides more fun we're good with a ps3 version of gt6.
At the moment I don't really want to buy a new console for a couple of hundred bucks. Also graphicaly the hasn't has to change that much. Just an expansion on current features: Only premium models, day/night an weather on all tracks, better shades and more tracks.
As long as the game itself is provides more fun we're good with a ps3 version of gt6.
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- Nigel Fox
This crazy meme of PS4 costing that much is dumb, but refuses to die. I'll go through the trouble of "disproving" it later.
But I did want to mention quickly why GT6 should be on PS4.
- Do you want fewer realistic effects at once? Or lots of effects with lesser quality?
- Do you want the same 16 cars or less per race?
- Do you want a basic livery editor, or none at all?
- Do you want a basic track editor like we have now?
- Do you want to forget about a Movie Maker for GT6?
- Do you want to drop most of the possibilities mentioned in Earth's thread?
- In fact, pretty much just GT5 but tweaked a bit?
Do you want:
- More than 16 cars per race, especially online, and all at Premium level?
- Lots of graphic effects at once, and lots of "life" in the world such as time of day settings and transition, variable weather, wind, blowing flags which behave realistically, crowds which react to the race realistically, effects of rain and temperature on track conditions (puddling, evaporation) along with changes over time, etc?
- Physics on the level of the most detailed sims, including realistic dynamic damage, tire wear, fuel weight, settings having realistic effect on car behavior, off-track dynamics, etc?
- Full 1080p at 60-120fps with all effects and dynamics running, with the least or none draw-in or polygon culling, and 3D?
- Lifelike and individual bot A.I.?
- Fully variable drivercam settings (position, aim, shake, etc).
- A much improved Photo Mode and Movie Maker?
- A full featured livery editor, including realistic exotic paint and metallic effects?
- A full featured track creator, with LONG Nurburgring-like track length?
- A full featured real world-like Career/Season Mode?
- Other things which are particularly processor taxing?
It looks to me that Kaz and the team have pushed the PS3 about as far as they can, and this has resulted in things like ugly particle effects, framerate drops and screen tearing. Part of the blame to me is having the 3D engine built in to the game, and not an option, which it should be. I can't explain the loss of graphic quality compared to GT5 Prologue any other way, because it had better effects with 16 Premium level cars on track at once. To improve graphics and physics, they have to dumb some things down, which I don't want.
So this is how it boils down to me.
If you want something like GT5 with a few tweaks, and more (Premium) cars and tracks, you want it for PS3.
If you want a big huge jump in what can be delivered in a Gran Turismo, you should want it to be on PS4.
I say, go big or... well, just go big.
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Funny you should say this, but then turn around and list the same oft-repeated but still not-particularly-related-to-hardware reasons that GT6 "needs" to be on PS4.
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I want ps3 and i think it will be ps3.
And sry to people saying it took 5-6 years for only 200 premiums.
You do realize it took some of those years making a new engine, transferring tracks, making events, adding new features and such. -.- that and makeing the dumb red bull x2010 that i don't think should have ever even been made -.-
Plus i dought PD is going to make a new engine on ps3 just so they can make a new one again on ps4, plus theres 2 GT games per system, and prologue wasn't really a game as it was a big demo and i do believe PD knows that themselves.
hopefully PD hires some staff so they can get more done faster, because i think thats there biggest problem right now.
Completely agree and belive 100% in this.
And sry to people saying it took 5-6 years for only 200 premiums.
You do realize it took some of those years making a new engine, transferring tracks, making events, adding new features and such. -.- that and makeing the dumb red bull x2010 that i don't think should have ever even been made -.-
Plus i dought PD is going to make a new engine on ps3 just so they can make a new one again on ps4, plus theres 2 GT games per system, and prologue wasn't really a game as it was a big demo and i do believe PD knows that themselves.
hopefully PD hires some staff so they can get more done faster, because i think thats there biggest problem right now.
Completely agree and belive 100% in this.
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Here's my stance on some of the things that Kaz has said, and how they could be used as a good source of prediction material.
Kaz said in an interview, “You won’t have to wait as long as you did for GT5. GT5 was basically the creation of a whole new operating system, and developing GT6 will be like adding new applications that run on that new operating system.” The link to that interview is below.
https://www.gtplanet.net/gt5s-premium-cars-go-beyond-ps3s-capabilities/
From this, one can infer that Kaz was planning on having GT6 on the PS3. To me, all of this PS4 hype could be rising about all too early, and if they began production of the game on PS3, why go through all the 4+year trouble to develop a game on a new console after they spent a year developing the game for PS3? Saying that the game had already began production on PS3 may be a bit of conjecture, but in the situation described, it makes sense.
Kaz also said “we’re always aiming for the latest technology and the latest expression,” which most people are speculating is a PS4 release hint. It makes me wonder if people are forgetting that the PS Vita is also in the category of "latest technology." A side by side PS3 and Vita release would be profitable considering the people who already have PS3's and PS Vitas, as well as those who would by both games for both of the consoles.
Kaz said in an interview, “You won’t have to wait as long as you did for GT5. GT5 was basically the creation of a whole new operating system, and developing GT6 will be like adding new applications that run on that new operating system.” The link to that interview is below.
https://www.gtplanet.net/gt5s-premium-cars-go-beyond-ps3s-capabilities/
From this, one can infer that Kaz was planning on having GT6 on the PS3. To me, all of this PS4 hype could be rising about all too early, and if they began production of the game on PS3, why go through all the 4+year trouble to develop a game on a new console after they spent a year developing the game for PS3? Saying that the game had already began production on PS3 may be a bit of conjecture, but in the situation described, it makes sense.
Kaz also said “we’re always aiming for the latest technology and the latest expression,” which most people are speculating is a PS4 release hint. It makes me wonder if people are forgetting that the PS Vita is also in the category of "latest technology." A side by side PS3 and Vita release would be profitable considering the people who already have PS3's and PS Vitas, as well as those who would by both games for both of the consoles.
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Putting GT6 on the PS4 is screaming out another 5 or 6 years wait and will only end up unfinished again. Do you PS4 people want that?
Like the others said already, GT6 won't take as long to develop like GT5 did, since it also Kaz said it as well. Meaning GT6 is going on the PS3 and also may go on the PS Vita for that new technology thing others are thinking is the PS4, which it isn't.
It'll be such a waste to throw away the current engine to make a new for some system that cost loads of money, just to have a unfinished game again...
GT6 on PS3 & PS Vita please Kaz and PD, yes you too Sony.
Like the others said already, GT6 won't take as long to develop like GT5 did, since it also Kaz said it as well. Meaning GT6 is going on the PS3 and also may go on the PS Vita for that new technology thing others are thinking is the PS4, which it isn't.
It'll be such a waste to throw away the current engine to make a new for some system that cost loads of money, just to have a unfinished game again...
GT6 on PS3 & PS Vita please Kaz and PD, yes you too Sony.
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Clearly it didn't since most of the problems with GT5 have nothing to do with the hardware. They didn't need better hardware to model more cars, they needed better management of their time and resources.
This one image demonstrates the problem perfectly:
Is that sort of insane detail 'nice' and 'cool' when you're taking close up photos like that? Maybe. Is it necessary for the overall enjoyment of the game, bearing in mind you will never see that sort of detail in game? Not in the slightest. They spent far too long detailing cars to extreme levels that nobody would see in the main part of the game and so wasted a lot of their time.
If you have the time and huge resources to model cars to such extreme detail and still crank out a large number of them by all means go for it but PD clearly did not, and the game suffered for it.
^ This is exactly what I try to explain everytime someone thinks that because the PS4 will be much more powerful, the game will automatically be better.
GT2 was much more a game than GT5 is, and it was done in a late 90's 32 bit console. Same for GT3 and GT4, and they were PS2 games.
If it's about graphics, I think that they've acheived more than enought right now. I say that instead of starting all over for the next gen (which will probably not only make the wait longer, but probably leave us in the same predicament that we are now), why don't they grab what they have, follow the constructive criticism and reasonable feedback from reasonable fans, and do what other companies have done, and what PD itself has done in the past. GT6 doesn't even need to be bigger than GT5 to be MUCH better.
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Please don't take this as me singling you out, it just made me smile to myself.
All this is reminding me a little bit of the old favourite religious fervour / fanaticism / whatever I should be calling it. Here we have people taking the words of the "prophets" and turning them to suit their own agendas!
"No, no, PS4 is the true way of the enlightened, for it was said that only the latest expression shall be deemed worthy!"
"You are mistaken, it can only be interpreted as being PS3-bound, for we were promised change soon."
Ah, politics.
EDIT: in fact, the poll shows that we're split 50:50 over which way we really think it'll go in the end! Whilst 2/3rds want GT6 for PS3.
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Three months before GT5 released (TGS 2010), Kaz stated GT6 development had already begun.
https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5-tgs-2010-breakout-session-full-details/
"Many things didn’t make the cut in Gran Turismo 5, and work on Gran Turismo 6 has already begun."
In that case, GT6 development is basically 2 years old. Already!
https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5-tgs-2010-breakout-session-full-details/
"Many things didn’t make the cut in Gran Turismo 5, and work on Gran Turismo 6 has already begun."
In that case, GT6 development is basically 2 years old. Already!
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Then, wise one, perhaps you can explain how the issues with GT5 can be resolved on PS3, considering that the team have been working on the engine for at least four years prior to GT5's release.
I did give you one item myself, so I'll spot you that one. But then I'd love to hear how you'll get more than 16 cars per race on top of that, as well as the other things I mentioned...
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Perhaps we can start with you explaining how you know these things:Then, wise one, perhaps you can explain how the issues with GT5 can be resolved on PS3, considering that the team have been working on the engine for four years prior to GT5's release.
Require a new system to implement instead. I'll spot you the movie maker thing, since that did seem to need to be pulled by PD.
And by the way, that "well, GT5 was made to the best of PD's ability with 4 years of experience" bit is rather moot when they completely redid the lighting engine twice and the sound engine at least once since the game came out; so clearly GT5 as it was at launch wasn't the best that the system could accomplish. Or how, since they were still adding graphical features to the engine after Prologue stopped being updated but before GT5 proper came out that they couldn't quite pull off, which at least implies that there is greater optimization to be found.
In the grand scheme of things, allowing you to race against more than 16 cars seems pretty meaningless when there was a grand total of only (I'm pretty sure) 2 things offline since the game came out that even had that many cars in it (both of them being Seasonal Events) and it's rare that an online room even gets to 12. Nor am I particularly bothered if PD doesn't make a game that looks fine under typical circumstances have extra graphical effects added to it; or if they go crazy and make the 3D better than it is now.
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And? We don't know how old the PS4 development is and you can develop racing games without a DevKit. Try out New feature, take photos from track and cars, license and so on.
Yamauchi said that they focus know on GT6 and this was the reason for the less GT5 Updates.
In my opinion GT6 development started 7 months ago and they made pre-production since 2010.
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It'll probably be on ps4, but looking at the current pattern, there are always 2 gt games per PS system.
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That is true But i would want it to be on the Ps4
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