On which plattform do you think/do you want GT6 to be released?
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mikecustom
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Why do people think that if its a ps4 title, its gonna be epic for sure, i'm almost sure it would be just as bad as gt5 was, and it would be beaten really quick, instead a good GT6 would be a finished GT5 in this generation, how much better could it get if it was on ps4?, look at late PS2 games compared to early PS3 games, it was the same, even some of the PS2 ones were better, you ppl seriously want to spend money on a whole new console just for the game to be as complex and evolved as today's games? and GT6 being on PS4 would leave the PS3 as a black stain in PD's history (assuming they will get back on track) or the begining of the end for the GT franchise
dojOdRiFTeR
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THE PEOPLE THAT WANT IT FOR THE PS3 ARE SO DAMN STUPID, OR POOR. THE PS3 BEEN OUT FOR 6YRS ALREADY GT6 HAS TO BE FOR THE PS4 END OF DISCUSSION. PS QUADRUPLE BABY
gamerdog6482
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I still want GT6 on the PS3.
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I wouldn’t mind if GT6 gets launched on Sony’s next generation console. However, I do think that a PS3 release might be better. PS4’s release is unknown, but it doesn’t seem to be coming any time soon. I don’t know if Sony and PD can afford to wait until PS4 is launched, with such a big revenue hole in the meantime.
Gran Turismo has its fan base, but I doubt that PD can afford to have other arch rivals being launched, whilst Gran Turismo offers nothing in that time.
PD has a tough balancing act, and I wish them every success. I would have thought that ownership of PS3 is at saturation by now, and that might be a decisive factor in being launched for PS3. PD might prefer the technical capabilities that PS4 will have, but commercial reality might favour a console which already has large ownership.
Gran Turismo has its fan base, but I doubt that PD can afford to have other arch rivals being launched, whilst Gran Turismo offers nothing in that time.
PD has a tough balancing act, and I wish them every success. I would have thought that ownership of PS3 is at saturation by now, and that might be a decisive factor in being launched for PS3. PD might prefer the technical capabilities that PS4 will have, but commercial reality might favour a console which already has large ownership.
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Gah, you Bronies and your silly fonts...
On most of those items I mentioned, it depends on what you want GT6 to be. The camera settings and Photo Mode, Season Mode too, yes, those can be done in a patch to GT5 itself. But then, I was making a quick post, you might recall. For the rest, though, that stuff requires a beefier Playstation. Yes, in my humble, humble, humble opinion.
And this is why.
Bot A.I. requires some sort of genius to create to start with, especially good A.I. Now I don't know why racing games seem to short sheet this aspect, but of the dozens of racing games I've played, I haven't really been too impressed by any of them. The PC sims like the GTRs have bots which are rather sedate, polite, cruise missile-like, and the most you can say about them is they drive faster as you bump up the difficulty, as is the case with most racers. Forza has always had bots which are more than combative, they're sometimes downright mean, moreso in certain games, which is what I am NOT looking for in racer A.I.
So with GT6, the issues which are recurring issues is the bots tend to stomp the brakes, have little finesse with them, and brake too early around turns. For whatever reason, this has been a problem since GT1 and has only been slightly fixed in GT5. The bots are more lifelike but not very aggressive, though I have seen them fight me and each other. I know most people here want more challenging A.I., and that requires two things: a talented programmer or team, and processor power, just as physics and graphics do. The more you ask of the game, the less power is available for things like A.I., as everything has to fit into a performance budget. Run out of power and you have problems, so all game designers try and reserve a thin margin for safety.
On the Livery Editor, this hinges greatly on how much extra power the GPU has for custom graphics on a number of vehicles - in the case of online racing with real humans, and how those custom liveries are rendered. It could be handled by the CPU/GPU processing the elements you use to create a livery and reducing everything to a massive skin, which is what you do on a computer when you create a livery with a graphics proggie for a PC racer. Is this how console racers do it, by and large? I have no idea. I've come up empty on any developer admitting how they handle custom liveries in their games.
So what about the massive Track Creator? Well, this requires ram, just like the Movie Maker does. Would you be happy making small 1.5 mile tracks with little detail and few elements? You need less ram. But how much? Remember, the GT5 Track Maker is largely predetermined, with most of the creative aspects taken out of your hands. Do you want to make your own Nordshleife, and lots of creative freedom to do as you please? You need a good chunk of memory, plus enough for the tools, and a fast processor is sure useful. Why do you think game developers have dev kits with gigabytes of ram? It's not just for software tools. I am amazed at what ModNation Racers is capable of, but then, it's also rendering very basic, cartoony elements. I want something on par at least with the Standard Tracks we have in GT5. Every unique tree model, every patch of grass, every foot of track and trackside, every stand and portapoddy, every mega-texture requires ram, and processing to render it.
But what else do you want GT6 to be? Evidently you just want GT6 to be GT5 fixed up a bit, and it seems that about half the guys here feel the same way. But it depends on how SONY feels about it. More importantly, it depends on what Kaz wants, and what the team wants to accomplish.
I mean, look. I played quite a bit of the Japanese release of GT5 Prologue online. These graphic issues with tire smoke didn't exist, and on the overseas servers there was a LOT of smoke because of periodic lag. The lighting has changed very little, regardless of anyone's statements that the lighting engine was "completely reworked" - which, I can imagine the engine was tweaked since Prologue, but I can't find any mention of it being torn down and completely reworked even once.
And still, no one but me has dared to even hazard a guess as to why Prologue looks better. But I'll do it again.
Online, I know that you have to deal with the performance limitations of the whole ball of wax. But offline is a different matter. I really doubt that a majority would like to see GT6 average 12 car fields offline again. If anything, I recall requests for bigger fields. I certainly do, I want to see 24 car races if the PS4 will handle it, or more.
Once again, this all comes down to what you guys want in a GT6. If you basically want GT5 with more cars and tracks, then PS3 is adequate, with a couple more years of scrupulous tweaking to deal with the uglies. If you want more... well, it isn't.
I want more, and I suspect Kaz, PD, and most fans do too.
GAH! You bronies and your dumb fonts!
On most of those items I mentioned, it depends on what you want GT6 to be. The camera settings and Photo Mode, Season Mode too, yes, those can be done in a patch to GT5 itself. But then, I was making a quick post, you might recall. For the rest, though, that stuff requires a beefier Playstation. Yes, in my humble, humble, humble opinion.
And this is why.Bot A.I. requires some sort of genius to create to start with, especially good A.I. Now I don't know why racing games seem to short sheet this aspect, but of the dozens of racing games I've played, I haven't really been too impressed by any of them. The PC sims like the GTRs have bots which are rather sedate, polite, cruise missile-like, and the most you can say about them is they drive faster as you bump up the difficulty, as is the case with most racers. Forza has always had bots which are more than combative, they're sometimes downright mean, moreso in certain games, which is what I am NOT looking for in racer A.I.
So with GT6, the issues which are recurring issues is the bots tend to stomp the brakes, have little finesse with them, and brake too early around turns. For whatever reason, this has been a problem since GT1 and has only been slightly fixed in GT5. The bots are more lifelike but not very aggressive, though I have seen them fight me and each other. I know most people here want more challenging A.I., and that requires two things: a talented programmer or team, and processor power, just as physics and graphics do. The more you ask of the game, the less power is available for things like A.I., as everything has to fit into a performance budget. Run out of power and you have problems, so all game designers try and reserve a thin margin for safety.
On the Livery Editor, this hinges greatly on how much extra power the GPU has for custom graphics on a number of vehicles - in the case of online racing with real humans, and how those custom liveries are rendered. It could be handled by the CPU/GPU processing the elements you use to create a livery and reducing everything to a massive skin, which is what you do on a computer when you create a livery with a graphics proggie for a PC racer. Is this how console racers do it, by and large? I have no idea. I've come up empty on any developer admitting how they handle custom liveries in their games.
So what about the massive Track Creator? Well, this requires ram, just like the Movie Maker does. Would you be happy making small 1.5 mile tracks with little detail and few elements? You need less ram. But how much? Remember, the GT5 Track Maker is largely predetermined, with most of the creative aspects taken out of your hands. Do you want to make your own Nordshleife, and lots of creative freedom to do as you please? You need a good chunk of memory, plus enough for the tools, and a fast processor is sure useful. Why do you think game developers have dev kits with gigabytes of ram? It's not just for software tools. I am amazed at what ModNation Racers is capable of, but then, it's also rendering very basic, cartoony elements. I want something on par at least with the Standard Tracks we have in GT5. Every unique tree model, every patch of grass, every foot of track and trackside, every stand and portapoddy, every mega-texture requires ram, and processing to render it.
But what else do you want GT6 to be? Evidently you just want GT6 to be GT5 fixed up a bit, and it seems that about half the guys here feel the same way. But it depends on how SONY feels about it. More importantly, it depends on what Kaz wants, and what the team wants to accomplish.
Yes, but you make it sound like they scrapped everything they learned about the PS3 architecture at each step. Clearly, when they made changes, they knew more than they did previously. They probably know more now. So, why does GT5 still have these ugly unfixed issues? As I see it, you only have four possibilities.
- It's just too much of a hassle
- The team never really understood the Cell Engine
- The team built the GT5 engine wrong to start with
- The team, and SONY (3D), crammed too many performance demands into GT5
I mean, look. I played quite a bit of the Japanese release of GT5 Prologue online. These graphic issues with tire smoke didn't exist, and on the overseas servers there was a LOT of smoke because of periodic lag. The lighting has changed very little, regardless of anyone's statements that the lighting engine was "completely reworked" - which, I can imagine the engine was tweaked since Prologue, but I can't find any mention of it being torn down and completely reworked even once.
And still, no one but me has dared to even hazard a guess as to why Prologue looks better. But I'll do it again.
- SONY insisted on 3D being a part of the entire GT5 game, requiring more processing power
- The physics were enhanced, requiring more processing power
- Some say that lighting was reworked, and could well need a certain amount more processing power
- The A.I. was enhanced, requiring more processing power
- Even the minimum damage in the game requires more processing power
- Having this all (minus 3D) run in the pseudo-1080p resolution (stretched 1280) requires more processing power
That's because we all play GT5 in our own way. Clearly, Arcade Mode isn't your thing, but it is mine. In fact, for those of us who enjoy Arcade Mode racing, and there are more than a few, we perhaps enjoy the game more than others, as the only reward in Arcade Mode is the race. No credits, no cars, no records, no human opponents. Just 16 cars tearing around the track at the difficulty of your choice. And when you go from a 16 car field to 12 or less, those races seem pretty small, especially with 8 cars. The Nurburgring with more than one lap and only eight cars is pretty lonely, especially at night.
Online, I know that you have to deal with the performance limitations of the whole ball of wax. But offline is a different matter. I really doubt that a majority would like to see GT6 average 12 car fields offline again. If anything, I recall requests for bigger fields. I certainly do, I want to see 24 car races if the PS4 will handle it, or more.
Once again, this all comes down to what you guys want in a GT6. If you basically want GT5 with more cars and tracks, then PS3 is adequate, with a couple more years of scrupulous tweaking to deal with the uglies. If you want more... well, it isn't.
I want more, and I suspect Kaz, PD, and most fans do too.
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II-zOoLoGy-II
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43% of you want a PS3 release and believe it will be released on PS3?
Another 23% of you want it on PS3 but think it will be released on PS4...
So over 65% of you want it on the PS3? LMAO.
I have lost all faith in console gamers lol.
Another 23% of you want it on PS3 but think it will be released on PS4...
So over 65% of you want it on the PS3? LMAO.
I have lost all faith in console gamers lol.
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It's a sad time when you realise the majority of people don't agree with you!
Such is life.
Don't be sad, though, there's a good chance a GT game will appear on PS4 eventually.
Such is life.
Don't be sad, though, there's a good chance a GT game will appear on PS4 eventually.
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WANT: PS3
THINK: i dont know... i depends on a lot of things...
SONY probably want to have it on the PS4 to push for sales.
but can the PS4 development be done soon ?
and how soon can PD finish their product for the PS4?
If PS4 is release this year or next year, then yes GT6 will be on PS4
If PS4 is release after next year, then yes GT6 will be on PS4
If PS4 is release in 2015, then GT6 will be on PS3 for 2014, and GT7 on PS4 prologue in 2016.
For sure there will be a GT for the PS4.
But uncertain for the PS3... although i really want to have another GT title on the PS3!!
THINK: i dont know... i depends on a lot of things...
SONY probably want to have it on the PS4 to push for sales.
but can the PS4 development be done soon ?
and how soon can PD finish their product for the PS4?
If PS4 is release this year or next year, then yes GT6 will be on PS4
If PS4 is release after next year, then yes GT6 will be on PS4
If PS4 is release in 2015, then GT6 will be on PS3 for 2014, and GT7 on PS4 prologue in 2016.
For sure there will be a GT for the PS4.
But uncertain for the PS3... although i really want to have another GT title on the PS3!!
gamerdog6482
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GT6 is in devolopment. Unless Sony has realesed the capabilities of the PS4 to PD, they will be devoloping it for the PS3, even if only because they have to.
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Actually, I'm 98.9% sure that around the time that GT5 released, developers were either given that information or were given dev kits. I seriously remember hearing that.
Um, because I'm not made of money and so given the opportunity I would prefer another game on the hardware I already own than having to spend £300+ for some more hardware. Yes I'll end up buying new hardware eventually but I would rather have another game on this hardware first, not be forced to buy the next console if I want to play the next GT game.
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I am sure too. There was a Sony staff page and he said he workes since 2010 on the Next Gen playstation. Sadly he edited it after the post got auttention.
We can only guess. I think it's 50/50 in 2013. After 2013 it is more realistic to think that GT6 will be a PS4 game in my opinion.
It is interessting that every game i remind has a 2012 or early 2013 release.
Will we see the Next Gen in holiday 2013 or early 2014?
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I'm pretty sure that none of us on GTPlanet haven't got that much money to burn on a new console, possibly new steering wheel if you are a wheel user, and pay for the GT6 game. And I can tell you, when the PS4 comes out, it will be anything but cheap. If you just happen to be a millionare who burns his money on everything, then excuse me sir; not everyone is as rich as you.
If GT6 comes out on the PS4, then I will eventually get it, but it wouldn't be convenient for many of us.
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I honestly hope gt6 is on ps3 despite my recent prediction. I can see why many people want the next in the series to be on a newer, possibly better system, but I want gt6 to be on an already developed system. Releasing gt6 during the ps4's infancy may lead to some disappointments in the progamming which may negatively affect the quality of gt6 itself. In short, I want gt6 to be on a system in it's best form.
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The way I see it, if PD release it on the PS3, GT fans will be happy that they don't have to buy new hardware to play the new game, but it might have been a bit disappointing.
If it's released on PS4, not only will the wait for the new game upset GT fans, they're going to have to buy new hardware, which might delay new sales.
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I'll call it now.
GT6 on PS4 would be the least selling GT game to date.
GT5 has disturbed and worried a few.
Throw in a new hardware platform and a promise of GT6 coming soon may well force those on the fence to go elsewhere.
A superb GT6 on PS3 would regain the doubters and strengthen PS4/GT7 adopters.
IMHO.
GT6 on PS4 would be the least selling GT game to date.
GT5 has disturbed and worried a few.
Throw in a new hardware platform and a promise of GT6 coming soon may well force those on the fence to go elsewhere.
A superb GT6 on PS3 would regain the doubters and strengthen PS4/GT7 adopters.
IMHO.
gamerdog6482
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Why are you all acting like the PS4 is going to be made of gold?
Fair enough itll be reasonably expensive, but it's surely not that unobtainable to 'most of you'(?)
Yeah, I do have enough money to blow on a new console whenever, but why would that matter? (and I'm not a million are, but thanks for the thought
)
Based on the pretence that you like to get every new GT game, you're going to have to buy a new PS sooner or later...
Fair enough itll be reasonably expensive, but it's surely not that unobtainable to 'most of you'(?)
Yeah, I do have enough money to blow on a new console whenever, but why would that matter? (and I'm not a million are, but thanks for the thought
)Based on the pretence that you like to get every new GT game, you're going to have to buy a new PS sooner or later...
gamerdog6482
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Why are you all acting like the PS4 is going to be made of gold?
Fair enough itll be reasonably expensive, but it's surely not that unobtainable to 'most of you'(?)
Yeah, I do have enough money to blow on a new console whenever, but why would that matter? (and I'm not a million are, but thanks for the thought
Based on the pretence that you like to get every new GT game, you're going to have to buy a new PS sooner or later...
I would rather later.
II-zOoLoGy-II
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Later? Like 6-7 years later?
Tech has been out since before the first iPhone people. The specs of the current gen consoles are way out of date. How many developers need to come out and say that the hardware is limiting to their titles?
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You know hardware has been limiting computer games almost as long as we've had computers.
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