Online tandem drift video..

[kord21m]

HAHAHA that guy told me he thinks there a faster way to learn drifting only god knows what he is talking about

 

[Paulie]

Hey Paulie. I find that good grip racers can easily get into drifting but not the other way round. So I have confidence you'll be able to be the Robbie Bolger of GT5P 👍

Start practising in Eiger (Forward or Reverse). What I normally do is to run reverse in Drift trial so that I can go for on forever. Forget about the drift points. I'm no expert either but lemme see if I can get a replay or video for you on drifting the Mustang

Thanks for the encouragement. The video could be interesting for me to see, but maybe the Tang isn't the best car to start drifting with? I'd just like to know what the best tyre/power/weight combo for the Tang is to drift with.💡 All I ever get is oversteer and snap back.

 

[Jay]

Hmm, I'm gonna take a stock Mustang GT on Eiger with N1's and see how it drifts.

Edit*
After a few laps

The Mustang has a fair bit of natural understeer so you need to throw it into corners pretty hard to keep the rear out before applying power oversteer, second gear feels a little short in a couple sections and standard power can only barely overcome the rear tyres in 3rd on the long uphill right hander going into the tunnel.

I had no trouble with snapping, only it was a bit reluctant to get the rear out on entry (I use very little handbrake).

With tweaking this car could be quite a drift powerhouse.

 

[kord21m]

i already did a mustang video for you just have to upload it for you sorry i been kinda YAWN lazy but ill upload its not the greatest but hey whatever

 

[wolfdude]

Thanks for the encouragement. The video could be interesting for me to see, but maybe the Tang isn't the best car to start drifting with? I'd just like to know what the best tyre/power/weight combo for the Tang is to drift with.💡 All I ever get is oversteer and snap back.

Here're videos of me drifting with the Mustang made just for you...

Bumper cam view + steering/shifter/eBrake view




External view + steering/shifter/eBrake view



Settings:-

Controller: Logitech G25
FFB: 10
Power-Assisted Steering: ON
Transmission: Manual
Active Steering: OFF
Driving Physics: Professional
ASM: OFF
TC: OFF
Front Tires: N1
Rear Tires: N1

I tuned it abit as the stock gear ratios were abit strange for me. But I'm no tuner so my tunes may not be the best settings for drifting. I don't have the exact settings that I made at the moment but what I did was reduced weight to 85%, added abit of power (about halfway to the max) and steering angle at 50. I'm not too familiar with springs/dampers/toe/camber/brake-bias and how it'll affect drifting so I left those untouched. As for the gear ratios, main thing I did was to ensure sufficient power for 2nd & 3rd gear as those are the only 2 gears I use drifting Eiger.

You'll notice I use the eBrake a few times to bail out of an understeer situation. As the Mustang has tons of torque, I didn't need to use the eBrake to initiate a drift, just chuck it into the corner.

Hopefully this'll help you abit. Practise is the key

 

[TunerFocus]

Here're videos of me drifting with the Mustang made just for you...


I tuned it abit as the stock gear ratios were abit strange for me. But I'm no tuner so my tunes may not be the best settings for drifting. I don't have the exact settings that I made at the moment but what I did was reduced weight to 85%, added abit of power (about halfway to the max) and steering angle at 50. I'm not too familiar with springs/dampers/toe/camber/brake-bias and how it'll affect drifting so I left those untouched. As for the gear ratios, main thing I did was to ensure sufficient power for 2nd & 3rd gear as those are the only 2 gears I use drifting Eiger.

You'll notice I use the eBrake a few times to bail out of an understeer situation. As the Mustang has tons of torque, I didn't need to use the eBrake to initiate a drift, just chuck it into the corner.

Hopefully this'll help you abit. Practise is the key

nice vid man

 

[Paulie]

Here're videos of me drifting with the Mustang made just for you...

Bumper cam view + steering/shifter/eBrake view


External view + steering/shifter/eBrake view


Settings:-

Controller: Logitech G25
FFB: 10
Power-Assisted Steering: ON
Transmission: Manual
Active Steering: OFF
Driving Physics: Professional
ASM: OFF
TC: OFF
Front Tires: N1
Rear Tires: N1

I tuned it abit as the stock gear ratios were abit strange for me. But I'm no tuner so my tunes may not be the best settings for drifting. I don't have the exact settings that I made at the moment but what I did was reduced weight to 85%, added abit of power (about halfway to the max) and steering angle at 50. I'm not too familiar with springs/dampers/toe/camber/brake-bias and how it'll affect drifting so I left those untouched. As for the gear ratios, main thing I did was to ensure sufficient power for 2nd & 3rd gear as those are the only 2 gears I use drifting Eiger.

You'll notice I use the eBrake a few times to bail out of an understeer situation. As the Mustang has tons of torque, I didn't need to use the eBrake to initiate a drift, just chuck it into the corner.

Hopefully this'll help you abit. Practise is the key

Nice videos.👍 I thought you said you were bad at drifting. I've been practising today, using a Boss 290 V8, Force Feedback 5 (10 felt like was destroying my wheel and I'm finding 5 easier). I've also been using N3 tyres and no power assisted steering. I'll try with N1 tyres, see how I go. I am determined to become GTP's muscle car driving Robbie Bolger.
Oh, btw, see how you were going sideways there, right, well when I do that I end up getting bad snap back all the time because I can't get back on the steering from the handbrake fast enough.
My shifter is on the same table as my wheel see, so I have to reach forward to push the handbrake button.

Edit: Tried power steering and hated it, it didn't really improve anything. N1 tyres were also getting me nowhere and fast. Getting annoyed with having no low end power I changed back to standard power settings. I did one power slide when I didn't use handbrake, everything else results in me pointing at a wall and gazing at the scenery and it's really starting to tick me off now. How can I stop snap back?

I don't know how you can drift so well, doing lap after lap of perfect drifts no mistakes when I'm here have been trying for hours and can't even drift one corner.

Edit 2: Time to accept that drifting is not for me, I haven't shown any sign of improvement and now spinning out is just pissing me off. Good luck to all o' ya'll, but be known I'm extremely suspect on all of you now, something's not right.

 

[kord21m]

 

[Paulie]

Smart arse. Nice drifting.

 

[Jay]

I'm not having any problems with drifting but I notice when people first start they have snap back issues. Don't know if this is your problem but often you have to return the wheel back to straight position fairly quickly (even force it) as often the rear comes out of oversteer pretty abruptly, even if you still have a small amount countersteer still in when the rear is abruptly returning can send you into a nasty snap back.

You need to counter and recover and skip barber says.

Maybe you should try and drift by not using a handbrake entry by flicking the rear out coming into the corners (I rarely use the handbrake) this will keep your hands on the wheel and concentrating on your countering rather than leaning over pressing a button which is awkward on the G25 shifter unit (I reconfig the button on my wheel during drifting).


This maybe a tip that will help, when I was first drifting in GT5P (Spec I) I found adding slightly grippier rear tyres helped the rear to be more stable and predicatable (n1 fronts, n2 rears), since then I don't stagger tyres anymore but it may help you anyway.

 

[Paulie]

I tried almost everything for hours today, including not using the e-brake, I just suck at drifting. Life moves on, I go back to being a 2nd rate grip driver.

 

[pat66]

Drifting is MONTHS of practice

 

[Asylum]

Drifting is MONTHS of practice

well all depends on your skill in a real car. If you have expreience drifting in outside of the game then u will pick it up MUCH faster, But if u dont have much experience driving outside the game then it could take much longer to get the hang of it

 

[Fujiwara-kun]

Ermmm drifting took me 2 days to play with.

Then the tandems came over 2 weeks.

Ive only had the game 4 months now not much has changed in 2-3 months



Or are we talking about the wheel?
Seems fairly simple but is it?

 

[wolfdude]

Nice videos.👍 I thought you said you were bad at drifting. I've been practising today, using a Boss 290 V8, Force Feedback 5 (10 felt like was destroying my wheel and I'm finding 5 easier). I've also been using N3 tyres and no power assisted steering. I'll try with N1 tyres, see how I go. I am determined to become GTP's muscle car driving Robbie Bolger.

Thanks Paulie and I'm really not that good compared to some of the others here in GTP but I try to improve when I have the chance to. Go Robbie!!

Oh, btw, see how you were going sideways there, right, well when I do that I end up getting bad snap back all the time because I can't get back on the steering from the handbrake fast enough.
My shifter is on the same table as my wheel see, so I have to reach forward to push the handbrake button.

Try setting the buttons on the G25 wheel for eBrake. Use it but try not to rely on it too much. V8s have tons of torque to go sideways without the eBrake. The other option is to mod your G25 and get a real handbrake connected like what I did. Its really easy actually... no soldering required

Edit: Tried power steering and hated it, it didn't really improve anything. N1 tyres were also getting me nowhere and fast. Getting annoyed with having no low end power I changed back to standard power settings. I did one power slide when I didn't use handbrake, everything else results in me pointing at a wall and gazing at the scenery and it's really starting to tick me off now. How can I stop snap back?

For the Mustang, stick with N3 F & R. N1 may be a bit too much like snow/ice driving so bad example from me . Stop snap-back? Not sure if this is the right way but for me, if I don't have the rear wheels spinning enough, they'll suddenly gain traction & because the front is still countersteering, will result in a snap-back. But check out this wonderful FAQ article in the GT4 drifting section on snapback :-

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=77634

I don't know how you can drift so well, doing lap after lap of perfect drifts no mistakes when I'm here have been trying for hours and can't even drift one corner.

Remember... it takes practise... took me 3-4 weeks of daily practise to get the hang of it

Edit 2: Time to accept that drifting is not for me, I haven't shown any sign of improvement and now spinning out is just pissing me off. Good luck to all o' ya'll, but be known I'm extremely suspect on all of you now, something's not right.

No way Robbie.... keep on practising! we need them V8s out there giving pressure to them imports

Cool vid as usual kord... 👍

Ermmm drifting took me 2 days to play with.

Then the tandems came over 2 weeks.

Ive only had the game 4 months now not much has changed in 2-3 months

Or are we talking about the wheel?
Seems fairly simple but is it?

Lol... you're a natural at this with the controller. But once you're on a wheel, its a whole different ball game. But since you're already drifting with the pad, I'm sure its gonna be easy to transition to the wheel.

 

[pat66]

Being a good drifter with a controller doesnt make the transition easier,
most people i know that could drift good on controller and switched to wheel COULDNT even drift anymore.

 

[Paulie]

Thanks Paulie and I'm really not that good compared to some of the others here in GTP but I try to improve when I have the chance to. Go Robbie!!



Try setting the buttons on the G25 wheel for eBrake. Use it but try not to rely on it too much. V8s have tons of torque to go sideways without the eBrake. The other option is to mod your G25 and get a real handbrake connected like what I did. Its really easy actually... no soldering required



For the Mustang, stick with N3 F & R. N1 may be a bit too much like snow/ice driving so bad example from me . Stop snap-back? Not sure if this is the right way but for me, if I don't have the rear wheels spinning enough, they'll suddenly gain traction & because the front is still countersteering, will result in a snap-back. But check out this wonderful FAQ article in the GT4 drifting section on snapback :-

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=77634



Remember... it takes practise... took me 3-4 weeks of daily practise to get the hang of it



No way Robbie.... keep on practising! we need them V8s out there giving pressure to them imports

I think the problem is that Mustang, it's been proven by Bolger and Top Gear that the Monaro makes an awesome drift car, that's what I need. Plus Ford's crappy V8 hasn't got enough low end grunt for driting, give me that LS2!
I just had a different idea, instead of using the e-brake, make an artificial one? I can't see setting the button on the wheel making it easier, because when the wheel is flinging about how could you possibly hit the button? I'm going to try something, I'll post back when I see how it goes. I'm going to try turning ABS off and make the brake balance 0/10, worth a shot right?
Yes, we do need those V8s out there, alright I'll keep trying.

Edit: Turning ABS off and making the brake balance 0/10 has worked the charm. It's hard to get the brakes locked at low speeds and sometimes mid drift, but since I'm driving a V8 that's not really a problem. And yes, I've done my first ever proper drifts today. Not really big angles, but certainly drifts nonetheless. I'm using FF at 5 and N3 tyres again too, I think that will be my drifting preference.

Does anyone's wheel get long term damage from drifting?

 

[wolfdude]

Edit: Turning ABS off and making the brake balance 0/10 has worked the charm. It's hard to get the brakes locked at low speeds and sometimes mid drift, but since I'm driving a V8 that's not really a problem. And yes, I've done my first ever proper drifts today. Not really big angles, but certainly drifts nonetheless. I'm using FF at 5 and N3 tyres again too, I think that will be my drifting preference.

abit extreme there... but hey.. if it works, go for it. Once you've got the hang of it, I'm sure you'll be able to dial the brake bias back. Then you'll be able to drift the car in its stock condition. I'd love to see TLD start churning out tuned drift cars

Does anyone's wheel get long term damage from drifting?

Not on mine... just that the wheel now turns more smoothly & faster compared to when it was new... guess this is normal. Didn't like the stiff new wheel anyway

 

[Paulie]

abit extreme there... but hey.. if it works, go for it. Once you've got the hang of it, I'm sure you'll be able to dial the brake bias back. Then you'll be able to drift the car in its stock condition. I'd love to see TLD start churning out tuned drift cars



Not on mine... just that the wheel now turns more smoothly & faster compared to when it was new... guess this is normal. Didn't like the stiff new wheel anyway

No no, my conditions/not so mad tyte skillz yo mean I'm using the brakes as the handbrake. To start a drift instead of reaching over and hitting the handbrake I just pump the brake pedal and it's exactly the same, rear locks up and away I go, very convenient. That will be how I drift from now on, I'll never be super pro at drifting so this works fine if not better I'll keep doing it. I'd like to start doing drift cars, but first I must get good enough at drifting to identify faults in the car's behaviour. I am guessing a car that spins is having oversteer issues and the rears need more grip, and a car that snaps back is having understeer/not enough power to spin the wheels issues. I can think of ways to tune this all out (I think), you can bet my first tune will be the Mustang. Right now though it's mostly driver error.
My wheel is getting coarse again. My home made table cops a beating getting moved around while trying to drift too.

 

[Fujiwara-kun]

I havent tandemed since Spec II...

 

[pat66]

Why dont you Feint to initiate your drifts instead of the ebrake?

 

[kord21m]

MUSTANG VIDEO SORRY IM SO LATE

 

[Paulie]

Why dont you Feint to initiate your drifts instead of the ebrake?

Because you do need to use e-brake occasionally/most of the time. When I try and feint at this stage of learning it normally ends in disaster anyway.

MUSTANG VIDEO SORRY IM SO LATE

Probably my fault, but it's saying the video is no longer available.

 

[JvM]

It says the same to me.

 

[kord21m]

ok this is weird i can clearly play the video in this thread but i did make the video private anyway im uploading to youtube again and making it a public view


after 3 trys of uploading this video it finally process through sorry if the music sucks this was something i rushed after it couldnt upload i had to reformatted the video then my internet shuted down for 3days then finally after i try to upload no one could view it....sigh