Oookay, who is up for another tuner challenge?

[mafia_boy]

I'm terribly sorry for this, but I feel I must:

The ideal system of judging would take both of those situations into account, and is entirely conceivable. In fact, it was implemented in the Vintage Tuning Competition, which returned pitifully few judging results. Essentially, a rubric which only tests the tuned versions requires half as much driving and testing as a rubric which tests both the tuned and untuned state of the cars.

It's a simple matter of the lazy public. The new rubric largely ignores the quality of the base car with the purpose of making judging a less labour-intensive process. If it's easier, it's more likely that more people will do it, and we are definitely in the range where we want more results.

Understood?

And this is 1/2 the reason why my AWD judging has taken so long. I can go any way around on this and look at the various ways we can judge:

1. Look at the base car and compare it to the tuned version.

2. Just drive the tuned versions compared to a known great car in your garage (like Touge Challenge).

3. Drive the tuned versions and find the drivability of each car around the circuit of choice without comparison.

While some does promote a sense of 'laziness', others are also too tedious for some who have fast lives to be able to spend time to do in that fashion and want to contribute to the judging process. Granted, it doesn't get perfect results and gets some of our feathers ruffled (like mine ) but since we don't get too many judges we don't really have much of a choice.

 

[Adamgp]

Just what I didn't want to happen happens...

My explanation:

I just meant that, if the tuner could have noticed that the car is quite out of control and not much is to be healed and if he could make the decision to pick another car where he really could show us what he's worth, then, and only then the judge could make the decision to dock points based on car choice. I did not intend to give you the impression that I just docked points because I already hated the car before I had even driven it. Believe me I love RUFs, especially the BTR Greycap has tuned at MFT. Adorable!

Maybe I could have made this more clear, but what I meant with docking points for a bad car choice was never meant to discourage the tuner to choose for a difficult car. I totally agree with you that a harder base should earn more points for the tune even if it sucks compared to others. That is just quite simple logic, better/harder work = higher loan/score deserved.

This sadly just wasn't the case in this tournament, or not enough...

But when I was driving your tuned CTR2, I just couldn't drive the way I liked to because of the understeer. It just didn't fit me.

Any questions? Feel free to pm me, I get a mail notification of any PM I get here, so then you'll have a faster response. (I can read and reply on my iPhone, if I want to, just don't really like to type longer replies like this on it, takes too long.)

Thanks for clearing things up a little more.

Although, it may be because I'm on my 3rd beer, (it's Miller time in Chicago) but it still sounds like you docked points because I stuck with the RUF. I could have chosen something else but didn't want to. I got penalized for sticking with it? Meaning I didn't have a shot in hell of placing well anyway? (pardon my french)

That being said, it's too bad you didn't like it. I didn't expect to win but thought it would do better than that. I'll continue to work on it, perhaps try again in tcv5.

I know what you mean about fitting ones driving style. You gave near perfect scores to cars that I just didn't get along with. Not making excuses here but one must remember a rear engine RUF is a different animal from a front engine STI, EVO, etc. it won't drive the same.

So lets bury this once and for all and move on. Perhaps I'll do better in the rwd category.

 

[Paulie]

Just what I didn't want to happen happens...

My explanation:

I just meant that, if the tuner could have noticed that the car is quite out of control and not much is to be healed and if he could make the decision to pick another car where he really could show us what he's worth, then, and only then the judge could make the decision to dock points based on car choice. I did not intend to give you the impression that I just docked points because I already hated the car before I had even driven it. Believe me I love RUFs, especially the BTR Greycap has tuned at MFT. Adorable!

Maybe I could have made this more clear, but what I meant with docking points for a bad car choice was never meant to discourage the tuner to choose for a difficult car. I totally agree with you that a harder base should earn more points for the tune even if it sucks compared to others. That is just quite simple logic, better/harder work = higher loan/score deserved.

This sadly just wasn't the case in this tournament, or not enough...

But when I was driving your tuned CTR2, I just couldn't drive the way I liked to because of the understeer. It just didn't fit me.

Any questions? Feel free to pm me, I get a mail notification of any PM I get here, so then you'll have a faster response. (I can read and reply on my iPhone, if I want to, just don't really like to type longer replies like this on it, takes too long.)

👍 I see, if you choose a crappy car and can't make it good then you're not going to do well at all.

Thanks for clearing things up a little more.

Although, it may be because I'm on my 3rd beer, (it's Miller time in Chicago) but it still sounds like you docked points because I stuck with the RUF. I could have chosen something else but didn't want to. I got penalized for sticking with it? Meaning I didn't have a shot in hell of placing well anyway? (pardon my french)

Well he didn't. He docked points because in his opinion you weren't able to make it much better. If you can't help the car then you won't rank well, some cars are doomed and determined to handle badly.

 

[PF]

Paulie, did you read this sentence?

So lets bury this once and for all and move on.

That's enough

 

[Paulie]

Paulie, did you read this sentence?



That's enough

You got a problem with an explaination?

 

[Skygrasper550]

*sigh* .........

 

[Leonidae]

^ Seconded.

 

[Vince247]

So mafs, how's your judgment going?

 

[VTiRoj]

So mafs, how's your judgment going?

Slowly, like his cars.

Let the TCv4 comments we know and love return.

 

[mafia_boy]

So mafs, how's your judgment going?

Slowly, like his cars.

Let the TCv4 comments we know and love return.

Ha ha, cheeky catface. *ponders letting slip roj's score for comedic reasons*

Seriously though, adamgp's RUF is still the only car I'm yet to do. I have been busy as, getting things ready for a foster carer inspection coming up this Friday (only got told yesterday)....so I AM trying to get some PS2 time, but there's currently 10 people in my house for the next little while so it makes it kind of hard to scratch my head, let alone get some gaming time in.

But I'm not as generous as Vince in my scoring I will say that.

 

[PF]

a foster carer inspection coming up this Friday

Effing SICK bruv. I cannot imagine the amount of dedication and selflessness one would need to do that. Much respect from me.

Although I am assuming that you're not the one going into foster care...

 

[Leonidae]

you sure? he seems to be bit childish every now and then

 

[PF]

you sure? he seems to be bit childish every now and then

Good point, just look at his handle:

Mafia=reputation for violence
Boy=reputation for violence

Maybe they have to do interviews to see who could possibly cope with him?

 

[mafia_boy]

Effing SICK bruv. I cannot imagine the amount of dedication and selflessness one would need to do that. Much respect from me.

Although I am assuming that you're not the one going into foster care...

I'd be the oldest foster care child EVER. Thanks for the restekpah though, it's a pretty thankless job and always the last to know when it comes to any situation changes, thank god they compensate well.

you sure? he seems to be bit childish every now and then

Quiet you, get that MR2 ready for my Hilux to run over.

Good point, just look at his handle:

Mafia=reputation for violence
Boy=reputation for violence

Maybe they have to do interviews to see who could possibly cope with him?

Something like that. It's to make sure the kids haven't been placed with a serial murderer or paedophile (and I have a pretty clean record) and to inspect the house to make sure there isn't a million things for the kids to kill themselves on (like powerpoints with forks, that type of thing).

I'm sitting here waiting for a free moment with the PS2, but the family is watching cricket, and South Africa are just struggling to hold on with only 2 wickets left, a vicious storm is heading for them (just passed my house which is 30 minutes away) and we want the match to finish, for various reasons.

 

[PF]

It's to make sure the kids haven't been placed with a serial murderer ... (and I have a pretty clean record)

Well, jeez, you gotta bury those Korean working girls: they're starting to stink out the kids' room. But no more under the swing set in the back yard, it looks suspicious.

And I might have left my Uzi at your place when I popped around to execute that last backpacker. Check on the coffee table.

Otherwise, you'll be fine mate. You'll have no problems getting a new victim foster kid.

 

[Vince247]

Now, lets see if more people will come and judge!

 

[PF]

Now, lets see if more people will come and judge!

Doing FWD judging at the moment, tis a big job. 2:30am at the moment and prob go to sunrise. Bugger.

EDIT: HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY!! 'friends' from the Netherlands have come around and are helping us to stay awake and alert. Bizarrely, two brilliant classical guitarists are playing in my loungeroom as I flog a Honda Civic around GVS. Life is rather strange and rather beautiful right now.

 

[Vince247]

Lol, say hello to them from a fellow Dutchie.

 

[mafia_boy]

Remember PF, you've always got to pass the dutchie's on the left hand side. For some reason they don't like being passed on the right.

 

[PF]

11hrs later and we are almost finished the FWD class. Will post results in a day or two, while we go on to RWD.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

WAAAAAAAAAT.

Day or two? NOW! Take your time mate.

I do want to see how my car stacks up though.

 

[PF]

WAAAAAAAAAT.

Day or two? NOW! Take your time mate.

I do want to see how my car stacks up though.

I'd love to tell you but I quite literally can't. We've successfully tested blind, so I have no idea who owns which (except for Kurei's, which intrigued me and I remembered).

EDIT:
FWD results by PF and Mr Lawrence will be up within the half hour

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I'd love to tell you but I quite literally can't. We've successfully tested blind, so I have no idea who owns which (except for Kurei's, which intrigued me and I remembered).

EDIT:
FWD results by PF and Mr Lawrence will be up within the half hour

Blind testing = good, hence why I didn't point out what was mine.

Also, two different views on the cars equals very good as well.

 

[mafia_boy]

1/2hrs passed. Where's your FWD results PF??

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Mafs, you're as bad or worse than me, I at least make some attempt to hide my insane eagerness.

 

[PF]

1/2hrs passed. Where's your FWD results PF??

How do I post the excel data onto the site? I've been trying for 45 min, but if I copy/paste ion to a post it turns out badly. How does everyone else do it?

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Press print screen, open Paint, drag the box open to your screen res, press paste (ctrl-v), move the pertinent data to the top left corner, drag the box down in size to show only the data you need to show.

Then save as a .jpg and photobucket or imageshack it.

 

[mafia_boy]

I'm doing it using Word 2007. What I've done each time is typed my thoughts, saved on word, then transferred them back onto here.

I did a quote of Vince's judging. He took his XLS grid to imageshack then hosted it from there onto here.

*added bit* RJ tree'd me.

 

[Leonidae]

second spot? not bad at all.

 

[CamryFan]

IM NOT BOTTOM. Time to go to the other garages and mock! (Points to whoever recognizes the reference)