Oookay, who is up for another tuner challenge?
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There's difference's in oversteer roj and yours showed the difference. 
Oversteer (like Kurei's car) = Good
Snap Oversteer (like your car!) = Bad
That was the main thing that killed your cars score roj, and because of that it didn't make me as comfortable and didn't go as fast through the twisty bits as the R32 Golf and that car had S2's on it!!
But take heart roj, atleast it wasn't the RUF or the 22B, both of those should've been left at the abortion clinic!!
Oversteer (like Kurei's car) = Good
Snap Oversteer (like your car!) = Bad
That was the main thing that killed your cars score roj, and because of that it didn't make me as comfortable and didn't go as fast through the twisty bits as the R32 Golf and that car had S2's on it!!
But take heart roj, atleast it wasn't the RUF or the 22B, both of those should've been left at the abortion clinic!!
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WOW and I mean WOW!!!!!
Is this real? I didn't think this could have happened for me. I mean I seen the scores and crapped. Mifs I'm glad the car was a hit! I was worried about the power of this car too, I will work on the gearing.
I wanted to thank RJ for putting this on too. Drifting24/7 thanks for the the nice words lol
Thanks Mafs, and Camryfan too, for the highest that I didn't think I would have been at THANK YOU
Is this real? I didn't think this could have happened for me. I mean I seen the scores and crapped. Mifs I'm glad the car was a hit! I was worried about the power of this car too, I will work on the gearing.I wanted to thank RJ for putting this on too. Drifting24/7 thanks for the the nice words lol
Thanks Mafs, and Camryfan too, for the highest that I didn't think I would have been at THANK YOU
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There's difference's in oversteer roj and yours showed the difference.
Oversteer (like Kurei's car) = Good
Snap Oversteer (like your car!) = Bad
But take heart roj, atleast it wasn't the RUF or the 22B, both of those should've been left at the abortion clinic!!
Yes well the understeer in braking was the only thing I wasn't happy with and am going to sort that out, because its a great little car IMO, though I'd like to find a way of taking the spoiler off...
AND I just looked over my hand written list for your SPORT '03 and don't have a Stage 1 Turbo on it, so my mistake and will be reviewing it today, because I was scratching my head as to what went wrong with the large difference in times...
SO all good...
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Run's to revamp garage! Mafs will you be my tester? I would love that input like that. And put pics up. Oh and I just want to but a part of this family lol
EDIT: looking back at everything with what you said, I thought the brakes were a little down and was going to change them. That and the downforce. Hmmmmmmm
EDIT: looking back at everything with what you said, I thought the brakes were a little down and was going to change them. That and the downforce. Hmmmmmmm
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Just read the 4WD results and am bloody alarmed 
at the difference's in results.
P.S. I didn't think my car was that 🤬 hard to drive Maf's and RJ....not to mention CamryFan getting the fastest time with my 22b and still rated last so I'm a bit suspicious of this.....though I'll go and check it as I haven't driven it in a while, when I'm reviewing the Megane with a Turbo 1 in it (still don't know how I missed that)....
at the difference's in results. P.S. I didn't think my car was that 🤬 hard to drive Maf's and RJ....not to mention CamryFan getting the fastest time with my 22b and still rated last
so I'm a bit suspicious of this.....though I'll go and check it as I haven't driven it in a while, when I'm reviewing the Megane with a Turbo 1 in it (still don't know how I missed that)....
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NURO: I agree with Mafs on the grading of your car unfortunately. It is massively understeery and I found it impossible to drive quickly. (Mind you this was well before any judging for any class came out)
My main question is more how the car suits Vince at least somewhat whereas Kenny, myself and CamryFan all found it difficult to drive.
My main question is more how the car suits Vince at least somewhat whereas Kenny, myself and CamryFan all found it difficult to drive.
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Just read the 4WD results and am bloody alarmed
P.S. I didn't think my car was that 🤬 hard to drive Maf's and RJ....though I'll go and check it as I haven't driven it in a while, when I'm reviewing your Megane with a Turbo 1 in it (still don't know how I missed that)....
Heck the only thing Mafs and I have going for us, is I like to spot race the heck out of him, RJ and me have had indifference! I don' know them that well for them to be biased? Just keep your head up man. In the end it's a game that's all bro!
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CamryFan getting the fastest time with my 22b and still rated last
Didn't notice this...
Time never, ever is the deciding factor in these. I remember in TCV2, the first our current tuner group was involved in really, nd 4 holden spd, now known as Paulie, entered a Cien. It ran away with lap times (800hp does that), but was ranked rather poorly due to being somewhat difficult to drive and not very refined.
EDIT: Although, if a car is blistering quick AND excellent to drive then it will obviously do better than a car equally as nice but slower.
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I've just taken the 22B to Sarthe II and GVS.
At Sarthe it felt reasonably nice, a bit of understeer but it is a massively powerful AWD on S3s. (And the understeer on braking issue came up)
At GVS however... Blech. Understeer under brakes at some corners, oversteer on others, and lots of understeer unless at quite low speeds in 1st or 2nd where the car would rotate a bit then understeer.
And then my personal favorite track to test on, Trial Mountain... It's slow. Tonight I'm able to at least get the car 'round, but it requires braking down to speeds lower than most vehicles are capable of getting 'round at and the car consistently tries to come out from underneath you at T last (before the chicane to the S/F straight). Then again TM is famously AWD-unfriendly...
At Sarthe it felt reasonably nice, a bit of understeer but it is a massively powerful AWD on S3s. (And the understeer on braking issue came up)
At GVS however... Blech. Understeer under brakes at some corners, oversteer on others, and lots of understeer unless at quite low speeds in 1st or 2nd where the car would rotate a bit then understeer.
And then my personal favorite track to test on, Trial Mountain... It's slow. Tonight I'm able to at least get the car 'round, but it requires braking down to speeds lower than most vehicles are capable of getting 'round at and the car consistently tries to come out from underneath you at T last (before the chicane to the S/F straight). Then again TM is famously AWD-unfriendly...
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I'm astonished at how much difference the track makes. Nuro and I picked the same two cars as best at GVS (completely independently), while EA11R had a completely different: my second place was his last/second last.
Rather hilariously, Nuro and I, both Aussies, punished the ohter Aussie tuners, while American EA11R gave the top two spots to skips. So we had an American (EA11R) saving the Aussies (mafs and Paulie) from a humiliating defeat by a Pom (RJ) and a Finn (Leo) after being savaged by their fellow Aussies (Nuro and I). My head is spinning...
By the way Nuro, I almost fell off my chair laughing when I saw your score in AWD. Having known you for 15 yrs or so, I think it's the perfect score: It'll go like a bullet, but you've got to be as mad as Nuro to make it work.
Rather hilariously, Nuro and I, both Aussies, punished the ohter Aussie tuners, while American EA11R gave the top two spots to skips. So we had an American (EA11R) saving the Aussies (mafs and Paulie) from a humiliating defeat by a Pom (RJ) and a Finn (Leo) after being savaged by their fellow Aussies (Nuro and I). My head is spinning...
By the way Nuro, I almost fell off my chair laughing when I saw your score in AWD. Having known you for 15 yrs or so, I think it's the perfect score: It'll go like a bullet, but you've got to be as mad as Nuro to make it work.
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OK I just updated my FWD judging, with respect's to Maf's and Roj's entries.
This should clear up the discrepancies that were had by me missing one or two things.
I've also just had a good run of my 22b around GVS, and it is a bitch to handle I don't mind admitting, but I still think it was judged rather harshly, because if you get the sweet spot it can treat you nice, though I acknowledge some of the criticism that was written about it, and will be tinkering with it I can asure you!!
As Lemmy from Motorhead says:
Never quite, Never give in. Born to lose, Live to Win!!
And yes PF does know me rather well, so I'll cop that on the chin as we say down under
and appreciate the effort put in by people to get a feel for what I was getting at, as were all adults (over 30), I think, an it is just a game, but we all put effort into our cars an can understandingly be touchy 
with what others will comment about 
so peace love an mungbeans people 
My best times around GVS:
Nissan R390 GT1 '98 (RSS) 1'31.070 (Black Beauty)
Nissan R92CP '92 (RSS) 1'31.509 (Black Beauty)
Mazda 787b '91 (RSS) 1'34.888 (Black Beauty)
Subaru Imprezza Coupe 22b-STi Ver. '98 (S3) 1'59.429
Nissan 300ZX 2-Seater '98 (S3) 2'00.981 (My RWD entry)
BMW CSL '03 (N3) 2'05.383
Honda Civic Type-R '04 (S3) 2'07.386
This should clear up the discrepancies that were had by me missing one or two things.
I've also just had a good run of my 22b around GVS, and it is a bitch to handle I don't mind admitting, but I still think it was judged rather harshly, because if you get the sweet spot it can treat you nice, though I acknowledge some of the criticism that was written about it, and will be tinkering with it I can asure you!!
As Lemmy from Motorhead says:
Never quite, Never give in. Born to lose, Live to Win!!
And yes PF does know me rather well, so I'll cop that on the chin as we say down under
and appreciate the effort put in by people to get a feel for what I was getting at, as were all adults (over 30), I think, an it is just a game, but we all put effort into our cars an can understandingly be touchy with what others will comment about so peace love an mungbeans people My best times around GVS:
Nissan R390 GT1 '98 (RSS) 1'31.070 (Black Beauty)
Nissan R92CP '92 (RSS) 1'31.509 (Black Beauty)
Mazda 787b '91 (RSS) 1'34.888 (Black Beauty)
Subaru Imprezza Coupe 22b-STi Ver. '98 (S3) 1'59.429
Nissan 300ZX 2-Seater '98 (S3) 2'00.981 (My RWD entry)
BMW CSL '03 (N3) 2'05.383
Honda Civic Type-R '04 (S3) 2'07.386
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👍 Thanks for fixing the scores mate.
Now it's time for me to fire up my ailing PS2 and try and tune something between cooldowns! (cooling fan is dead and even without the top cover being over the heat sink it still cooks itself)
Now it's time for me to fire up my ailing PS2 and try and tune something between cooldowns! (cooling fan is dead and even without the top cover being over the heat sink it still cooks itself)
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'states boy here mate.
Oh dear, sorry about that. So RVV is a UK/US/Dutch collaboration? How delightfully cosmopolitan!
So is the judging deadline 00:00 GMT on the 15th or something? And would it be okay if we posted the scores then entered the comments after deadline? Am trying to cram a lot of work into very little time...
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I dunno, I'm thinking a slight extension...
Also, it would be 05:00 GMT on the 16th (Midnight EST), but if more time is needed I'll allow it. In fact, I'm leaning that way as I want to judge AWD but my PS2 needs a redneck cooling fan modification.
Also, it would be 05:00 GMT on the 16th (Midnight EST), but if more time is needed I'll allow it. In fact, I'm leaning that way as I want to judge AWD but my PS2 needs a redneck cooling fan modification.
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I'll bring my 10c back into this.
Nuro, the main thing I noticed with your car to get a quick lap is to absolutely chuck it into the corner to get it around. It's not that I went off track all the time (adamgp's RUF did that!!), but the way I had to wrestle the car all over the track to get that 2.00.5 was annoying to say the least so that's why it lost points all around. What I honestly thought when I did test your car was that your settings were opposite to what they should be in the toe angle and damper areas. Then the LSD wasn't correct either.
But on your plus side, if I took your car to Swiss Alps or Tahiti Maze I would be okay because you NEED to chuck the car in which would suit your 22B better.
And also, you have to look at the fact that with d24/7's Spec-C, it had 100hp less, but I was over a second a lap quicker than your car (getting a 1.59.0 in it), just on that fact alone it was a better tune. A car with your spec's I would've expected to get into the 1.57's.
Thanks for re-reviewing my car though, and I hope you enjoyed the difference of having the turbo on the car (it seems so from the improved score) and making it a proper Megane Sport.
Nuro, the main thing I noticed with your car to get a quick lap is to absolutely chuck it into the corner to get it around. It's not that I went off track all the time (adamgp's RUF did that!!), but the way I had to wrestle the car all over the track to get that 2.00.5 was annoying to say the least so that's why it lost points all around. What I honestly thought when I did test your car was that your settings were opposite to what they should be in the toe angle and damper areas. Then the LSD wasn't correct either.
But on your plus side, if I took your car to Swiss Alps or Tahiti Maze I would be okay because you NEED to chuck the car in which would suit your 22B better.
And also, you have to look at the fact that with d24/7's Spec-C, it had 100hp less, but I was over a second a lap quicker than your car (getting a 1.59.0 in it), just on that fact alone it was a better tune. A car with your spec's I would've expected to get into the 1.57's.
Thanks for re-reviewing my car though, and I hope you enjoyed the difference of having the turbo on the car (it seems so from the improved score) and making it a proper Megane Sport.
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wait wait wait.. changes in the reviews and points?
Fixing misjudgings.
I can't let obviously skewered judging stay and be counted.
Mafs' Megane was lacking a turbo when initially tested so it needed a retest... And Roj's Civic had the points written down wrong for the different categories.
Obviously they needed to be fixed.
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Now see, that's the kind of result I was expecting when building this car, spot-on over steer and well balanced with WRC enthusiasm, not under steer and what not
And mafia basically stated why I didn't add the FC gearbox, I felt the car was good enough with out it, adding it would've altered that feeling
I still think it would've done better had this comp been judged like TCV3, in a "Touge Showdown" -like manner, I built the car to be impressive and new, not to improve every aspect as much as possible, which TCV4 is judged by
I can't wait 'till the next comp goes back to it's roots
And mafia basically stated why I didn't add the FC gearbox, I felt the car was good enough with out it, adding it would've altered that feeling
I still think it would've done better had this comp been judged like TCV3, in a "Touge Showdown" -like manner, I built the car to be impressive and new, not to improve every aspect as much as possible, which TCV4 is judged by
I can't wait 'till the next comp goes back to it's roots
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This is closer to TCV2, which was the last challenge that was actually completed...
I'm thinking of a few Touge X-hp classes next time, and then drivetrain classes.
I'm thinking of a few Touge X-hp classes next time, and then drivetrain classes.
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Nuro, the main thing I noticed with your car to get a quick lap is to absolutely chuck it into the corner to get it around. It's not that I went off track all the time (adamgp's RUF did that!!), but the way I had to wrestle the car all over the track to get that 2.00.5 was annoying to say the least so that's why it lost points all around. What I honestly thought when I did test your car was that your settings were opposite to what they should be in the toe angle and damper areas. Then the LSD wasn't correct either.
But on your plus side, if I took your car to Swiss Alps or Tahiti Maze I would be okay because you NEED to chuck the car in which would suit your 22B better.
And also, you have to look at the fact that with d24/7's Spec-C, it had 100hp less, but I was over a second a lap quicker than your car (getting a 1.59.0 in it), just on that fact alone it was a better tune. A car with your spec's I would've expected to get into the 1.57's.
Thanks for re-reviewing my car though, and I hope you enjoyed the difference of having the turbo on the car (it seems so from the improved score) and making it a proper Megane Sport.
OK, I just spent most of the night tinkering with my little 22b, because after a bit soul searching,
it wasn't nearly as good as I thought it was, especially around GVS. 
It now likes to turn
into and out of corners, at a reasonable speed, and in 3rd gear now. The reason it's so fast is because I insist on using Original Turbo/Suspension if their available for any Japanese cars 'cause their limited in most countries from the original engine. The fastest lap I got around GVS was 1'57.225, which for a S3 tyred car I think is pretty good.
Around Trial Mountain I got 1'33.085, and this is not 4WD friendly at all, and I was falling asleep buy this stage.
And around Sarthe II, which she was spawned from, 3'49.310 which is 5sec slower than the original set up, but it's a special track that doesn't have the all-round conditions of GVS, which is were I went wrong in posting the set up I did, I know believe.
@Mafs, now prop man, I'd 🤬 it up so it was only fair for me to do so. I'd be pissed too if someone had left the engine out of my car (still don't know how I missed that) and it was a much better ride. When it came to my scoring, I didn't look at any of the others or what I'd put done originally for you, I just re-scored it from scratch.
@VTiRoj, sorry I wrote yours down wrong man, I'd written it on paper correct.
In regards to TCv4 being judged buy how much the car is improved in all areas, that's the way people were building them IMO, so I jumped of the cliff with all the other little lemmings.
But I'd like to do a limited parts/power TC as well, because I have setting's A,B & C as Sports, Semi-Racing & Racing on the majority of my cars, so I think that would be good, though F/C Transmission would be my only exception to any limit on parts.
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